parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

I'm curious as to would those who dont vaccinate choose differently if they knew they would be travelling to high-risk areas? My DH is from Nigeria and we will be probably travelling every year down there once our future LO is 1 year old, and polio for example is a real risk. :flower:
 
I think we need to remember babies have been getting vaccinated for years over 30 years anyway!! If it was bad it wouldn't be done. It's allot of crap that doctors only dish out because they get more money!!!! Most give valid points about not vaccinating there children but allot of it sounds crazy new age nonsense "IMO" lol

In the UK they don't only 'dish it out because they get more money', no, but doctors' surgeries are put under a lot of pressure both with visits from government heavies and funding carrots and sticks depending on if they get parents to vaccinate or not. I have heard of children having bad reactions to vaccines which the vaccine manufacturers say means further doses of that vaccine should not be given, I am talking child stopped breathing, had to go to hospital in an ambulance and spend a couple of days there. These parents were bullied into giving the further doses of the vaccine with an ambulance on standby and one mum on baby and bump both further doses of the vaccine ended up in being blue lighted to hospital. The manufacturers clearly state that in such cases it is dangerous for further doses of a vaccine to be given but doctors are so obsessed with meeting targets they are ignoring that. Not all alternative medicine and research by alternative doctors is quackery and some things considered as whack, new age hippy stuff in the past is now known to be best practice. Even if you look at the area of childbirth, in the 1700s it was considered madness to wash your hands before touching a patient or a new baby, now we know its essential, and even 40 years ago it was considered that the best position for a woman to give birth was on her back, and only mad hippy types considered it otherwise, it's now known this is the worst possible position for giving birth. There are so many other examples throughout the medical profession that I would not dismiss anything alternative as nonsense xx
 
I choose not to vaccinate because my LO has a family history of strange reactions to vaccines. People on his daddy's side have nearly died and were in critical condition due to vaccines they were given. I already was on the fence about vaxxing my baby but upon hearing this my decision was final not to go through with it, not with that family history.

Same here, though the reactions were not as acute there is a history of vaccine induced allergic reactions both delayed and immediate in my family and two of my boys have been affected. I thought very carefully about it and delayed my youngest's vaccines until he was nearly two and due to him being over a year he didn't have all the vaccines they normally have at 2, 3 and 4 months. My youngest's legs still swelled up and went hard after having the delayed vaccines so I am glad that I delayed and with the new baby I will be delaying for the same time period. Xx
 
We are all adults and just like a good discussion I for one am not offended at all by anything here I've a thick skin! Nobody should take it personally!
 
I'm curious as to would those who dont vaccinate choose differently if they knew they would be travelling to high-risk areas? My DH is from Nigeria and we will be probably travelling every year down there once our future LO is 1 year old, and polio for example is a real risk. :flower:

I selectively vaccinate. Personally I would do my research into the particular vaccine in terms of effectiveness and just how prevalent the disease is in that country. I'd also if it is required for travel to that country. For example the HVs tried to pressure me into giving my boys the BCG as they claimed my husband being originally from 'abroad' this put them more at risk, I looked into it and the rates of TB in my husband's country are quite a bit lower than the UK, also the BCG being given to young babies can have serious side effects and it is only really effective against a more juvenile form of TB that is rare in teenagers and adults, this is why they stopped vaccinating teenagers for it xx
 
I just wanted to add summer rain that I trust my doctor! Why on earth would they want a baby name for continually giving out a lethal injection to a sick baby then having that baby blue lighted to hospital! A stupid doctor at that. Doesn't make sense to me!!!
 
I choose not to vaccinate because my LO has a family history of strange reactions to vaccines. People on his daddy's side have nearly died and were in critical condition due to vaccines they were given. I already was on the fence about vaxxing my baby but upon hearing this my decision was final not to go through with it, not with that family history.

Same here, though the reactions were not as acute there is a history of vaccine induced allergic reactions both delayed and immediate in my family and two of my boys have been affected. I thought very carefully about it and delayed my youngest's vaccines until he was nearly two and due to him being over a year he didn't have all the vaccines they normally have at 2, 3 and 4 months. My youngest's legs still swelled up and went hard after having the delayed vaccines so I am glad that I delayed and with the new baby I will be delaying for the same time period. Xx

Me too, as far as reactions go, though we've chosen not to vax at all. DH's sister's legs swelled up after the Dtap (within minutes of getting the vaccine, while she was still in the pediatrician's office), and then a couple of hours later she had a seizure. She's had seizures ever since, many of which can't be controlled by meds, a couple of which have nearly killed her.

It's one of the hardest decisions I've made as a parent so far, but the more I research vaccines the scarier I find them. I completely understand why parents choose to vaccinate, but for us it just wasn't the right choice.

Also, and I'm wary of posting this tbh, but I figure what the heck :haha: My LO contracted pertussis over Christmas when she was 10 months old. Of course my DH and I were freaked out the first time we heard that awful cough at night, and we called her pediatrician on Christmas morning (woke the poor woman up!) Our pediatrician DOES do vaccinations IF parents want their kids to have them, but she respects parents' choices either way, and in general she tries to use naturopathic healing as much as possible (along with seriously promoting really good nutrition as a first defense against getting really ill), and uses allopathic medicine less as a preventative measure and more as an in-case-of-emergency measure. Anyway, we called about DD's cough, and she told us to run a humidifier with essential oils (lavender or eucalyptus) in her room at night, and to give her high doses of vitamin C. Honest to god, within a couple of days her horrendous, scary cough was gone; we continued with the C for 3 weeks, per pediatrician's instructions (she said the cough could return if we stopped too quickly), but once we did stop giving it to her she remained perfectly fine.

I'm sorry if this seems off-topic; I just meant to illustrate that sometimes there are measures you can take against really scary diseases that we traditionally immunize against. Obviously, every parent needs to do what they feel is best for their baby and their family, and a child's age and general health will probably affect how well various measures work, but this wasn't something I'd ever heard before, and as whooping cough was one thing I was terrified of LO getting, esp. as the Dtap was the vaccine that caused such problems with my SIL, such a natural cure was a big relief. :happydance:
 
this may get ugly and be locked................
because i was selfish and thought i knew better than doctors....
nice pass agg.

no judgements :)
wait for it

this may get ugly and be locked................

my LO is fully vaccinated on the regular schedule. i could never live with myself if she got ill or nearly died from a rare disease, because i was selfish and thought i knew better than doctors....
, I just think it is irresponsible

The attitude of a large number of the anti vax parents is what really bothers me. I have some anti vax relatives...I asked them, what would happen if YOUR kid gets a serious disease, and passes it to mine, who I plan to vaccinate but is not old enough/hasn't had the whole series and their answer was....that's YOUR problem.


great attitude to have about children's health, IMO

We've just had a relative's baby in intensive care with whooping cough... oxygen the whole works - not pretty.

What annoys me, and what's already arisen in this thread is the way the anti-vaccination brigade love to claim they're the only informed parents (and by association smearing those who DO vaccinate as some kind of ignorant less caring creatures) and yet they're riding on the coat tails of those who DO vaccinate keeping the numbers and potential epidemics down.

Yes I've vaccinated - I don't believe in fobbing the responsibility to keep MY child safe off onto the rest of the world to do while I waft around in a cloud of holier than thou perfection. I've also had the whooping cough jab done while pregnant - having found out categorically from blood tests that I wasn't immune... because I was left unvaccinated from that because of a scare story in the era I was a baby.

I respect everybodys views as your the only one that can make that choice for your child! To be honest until I had my lo I just thought everybody got vaccinated! However I'm a bit wiser now I've had lo and if I thought for one minute it was doing harm I would not get my lo immunised. It's a risk that you take when you decide to not vaccinate your lo, but like I said if your happy with the research you have done it's your choice. I do want to add that if getting your lo vaccinated came with high risks it would be out there it would be on the news and doctors wouldn't vaccine!



I think we need to remember babies have been getting vaccinated for years over 30 years anyway!! If it was bad it wouldn't be done. It's allot of crap that doctors only dish out because they get more money!!!! Most give valid points about not vaccinating there children but allot of it sounds crazy new age nonsense "IMO" lol[/b]


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my thread was never meant to be a debate. I asked why people choose not to vaccinate out of curiosity. People were asked not to judge or rant but they have and now I'm annoyed that SOME people have turned my thread into a forum to put others down or question their motives!!

everyone is entitled to cast an oppinion but be mature and respectful after all we are all different and have reasons I simply asked what those reasons were..

no one should be affraid of judgement so be nice or dont post.
Its a shame no one would listen to you as I actually feel you started this thread and tried to keep people from doing what you didnt want to do. However many who have had trouble with vax of non vax wouldnt answer due to the above. Not the worst I have seen though. Sadly always the same. :nope: some shouldnt speak at all and really respect others decisions or keep the opinions that are judgemental to themselves. I am neither an anti or pro vaxer but I have reasons, sad ones to. No point on explaining its a sore subject with some who dont wish to be torn apart and called irresponsible bad parents and their kids being treated like they are walking diseases. Just realise the impact you have on some, swap shoes with them even. Every parent has a reason to do things, always for the best for their child. Respect that. Everyone.
 
I've read thro the thread and to be honest I've not taken offence to anything! It's just a discussion people feel stongly about if people have been offended I'm not sure they would carry on posting or reading! The op hasn't created an argument we are all willing to take part and read and make comments!
 
I've read thro the posts and I have not taken offence to anything! I'm sure if there have been people who have they wouldn't carry on posting or get involved! It's an adult discussion that we feel strongly about. The op hasn't created an argument in my eyes! Nothing on the thread is nasty! We are all partaking in this if somebody is not keen then there is no presure to post x
 
feff they kind of already do have a cancer vaccine for girls against cervical cancer, cancer is a big killer in my family so my daughter will be having the vaccine if she wants, she'll be a teenager then so she can decide.

When children are vaccinated in school all together do you have to request not to have the vaccine given to your child if you are anti-vax? Do you get bad responses from other parents or do your children get negative feedback from children who do get the vaccine?

And gardasil is sooooooo terrible. Some girls have already have died from getting the vaccine. Not a good one IMO.
 
Op hasnt no, posters have. She asked for no judgement. Fat lot of good that did. Some have made the thread hostile and not welcoming to all. It asked for non vaxers not judgemental vaxers opinions on non vaxers. People who reply and never actually listen to any one elses pov and understand. Even stereotyping non vaxers or assuming they all have that one reason. Or a specific set of them. I find any one who dosnt vax, dosnt matter why not gets some horrible treatment of some people. Just horrible.
 
I choose not to vaccinate because my LO has a family history of strange reactions to vaccines. People on his daddy's side have nearly died and were in critical condition due to vaccines they were given. I already was on the fence about vaxxing my baby but upon hearing this my decision was final not to go through with it, not with that family history.

Same here, though the reactions were not as acute there is a history of vaccine induced allergic reactions both delayed and immediate in my family and two of my boys have been affected. I thought very carefully about it and delayed my youngest's vaccines until he was nearly two and due to him being over a year he didn't have all the vaccines they normally have at 2, 3 and 4 months. My youngest's legs still swelled up and went hard after having the delayed vaccines so I am glad that I delayed and with the new baby I will be delaying for the same time period. Xx

Me too, as far as reactions go, though we've chosen not to vax at all. DH's sister's legs swelled up after the Dtap (within minutes of getting the vaccine, while she was still in the pediatrician's office), and then a couple of hours later she had a seizure. She's had seizures ever since, many of which can't be controlled by meds, a couple of which have nearly killed her.

It's one of the hardest decisions I've made as a parent so far, but the more I research vaccines the scarier I find them. I completely understand why parents choose to vaccinate, but for us it just wasn't the right choice.

Also, and I'm wary of posting this tbh, but I figure what the heck :haha: My LO contracted pertussis over Christmas when she was 10 months old. Of course my DH and I were freaked out the first time we heard that awful cough at night, and we called her pediatrician on Christmas morning (woke the poor woman up!) Our pediatrician DOES do vaccinations IF parents want their kids to have them, but she respects parents' choices either way, and in general she tries to use naturopathic healing as much as possible (along with seriously promoting really good nutrition as a first defense against getting really ill), and uses allopathic medicine less as a preventative measure and more as an in-case-of-emergency measure. Anyway, we called about DD's cough, and she told us to run a humidifier with essential oils (lavender or eucalyptus) in her room at night, and to give her high doses of vitamin C. Honest to god, within a couple of days her horrendous, scary cough was gone; we continued with the C for 3 weeks, per pediatrician's instructions (she said the cough could return if we stopped too quickly), but once we did stop giving it to her she remained perfectly fine.

I'm sorry if this seems off-topic; I just meant to illustrate that sometimes there are measures you can take against really scary diseases that we traditionally immunize against. Obviously, every parent needs to do what they feel is best for their baby and their family, and a child's age and general health will probably affect how well various measures work, but this wasn't something I'd ever heard before, and as whooping cough was one thing I was terrified of LO getting, esp. as the Dtap was the vaccine that caused such problems with my SIL, such a natural cure was a big relief. :happydance:

Great post! I was going to post something about vitamin c therapy and whooping cough but didn't because of fear of backlash from judgmental people. But I have read that high doses of vitamin c are very effective in treating whopping cough. Whopping cough doesn't have to be some scary monster.
 
Can i just add as a point (just a fact, not for or against) that i had all my vacs and yet had whooping cough twice, found out during pregnancy im not immune to rubella. I also had chickenpox twice, not once and doctors say im probably not immune (although didn't have vaccination for this in UK)

just to add, i do vac my lo.
 
When children are vaccinated in school all together do you have to request not to have the vaccine given to your child if you are anti-vax? Do you get bad responses from other parents or do your children get negative feedback from children who do get the vaccine?
I live in South Africa, so I'm not sure how it's done in other countries. A couple of times the health department decided to vaccinate all schools due to a scare. I always decline this. We're given a form to either accept and give permission, or decline permission. One example was when there were a small measles outbreak and the health department freaked. My 3rd child had measles (after being immunised against it!) months before this and none of my 2 school-going children contracted it from him, despite we all living in a very small holiday flat at that point for weeks together. So I was pretty sure their immunity is just fine, and they didn't need any more undesirable things injected to cover something they're already covered for. I asked them afterwards, and they said the nurses that came didn't treat them badly for not getting the injections. Some teachers were a bit curious, but that was it. No bad feelings from any of the children either, except jealousy because they had to get a painful injection while my kids didn't need to. A family member did the same, and the nurse was awful to her child not getting the vaccine. And she was only something like 7 years old. So unfair and unasked for. We had no issues from parents, since none of the parents were present to see who's vaccinated and who's not.

I have declined the rota virus vaccine for my baby, and the nurse really, really wasn't happy with me. She questioned me (in an extremely judgemental way), making remarks to show her displeasure. In a 3rd world country like ours, it's very rare for anyone to not accept all given vaccines.

I've read the whole thread, and found it extremely interesting. I just wish people would stop jumping down the throat of non-vaxers. We all know why people vaccinate. I'm really interested to know why people don't. And when a vaxer jumps down a non-vaxer's throat, it stops the debate and from new people joining in, giving their opinions on non-vaccinating. I find that sad. I feel like I learn so much reading the opinions. Like the one person in the beginning (can't remember who) that mentioned peanut-oil being used. I never knew that, and found it very interesting and relevant to my situation. I immediately started my own researched into that.

So to the poster who said nobody would change their mind, so what's the use of debating this threat again.... well, because there's always something to learn. I would never claim to know it all, and I love learning. But sometimes I need a little push, or given a factoid, like the peanut oil, to know precisely what must I research. And without debates like this, it would not have happened. So I think these debates are extremely valuable. Thus, I'm grateful to the non-vaxers for giving us their opinions and share some of their research. :thumbup:
 
Op hasnt no, posters have. She asked for no judgement. Fat lot of good that did. Some have made the thread hostile and not welcoming to all. It asked for non vaxers not judgemental vaxers opinions on non vaxers. People who reply and never actually listen to any one elses pov and understand. Even stereotyping non vaxers or assuming they all have that one reason.
To be fair Dragonfly, pretty early on there was a massively judgmental post about vaxxers, straight up saying they were uninformed and defensive because they knew they were wrong, and lots of non-vaxxers quoted it and agreed, so the judgement is going both ways.
 
According to the news today measles cases is an all time high..

Would much rather my child not catching it knowing my luck he might smh...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...high-parents-failing-children-vaccinated.html
 

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