Kate&Lucas
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Well there's me never visiting the US - sounds like I might be lynched
WAIT! I LIED!!!!
Okay, this was quite a long time ago and this doesn't brand every server iygwim?
So it was Thanksgiving day weekend here, and my brother was still in university. We unfortunately weren't able (for whatever reasons I can't remember now) to get together for thanksgiving dinner, so we opted to go out instead.
We were downtown Toronto, and I won't name the establishment because I don't think its their fault. Anyhoo, it was a very upscale place. Our server, was diligent. Held out chairs for us, put our napkins on our laps (which I wasn't a fan of), very proficient but he wasn't good. I don't know how to explain it. He was going through the motions of all he should be doing, but he was very snotty about it.
Anyways, we had an okay-ish meal and then my Dad paid for the dinner. My Dad isn't up to snuff when it comes to etiquette in tipping. To him, $5 is A LOT of money and so that's what he tipped. We were part way down the street walking back to the subway when our server LITERALLY came running up behind us and proceded to bitch out my dad in front of his family for the tip he gave.
According to the server, he felt we didn't tip enough for what he did. My poor dad was SO embarrassed. Actually went back to the establishment and gave him some more money. Yes, its culturally normal here to tip. No, you don't not demand/expect a certain percentage. Like I mentioned before, you never know the financial status of the people at your tables. $3 might not seem a lot to you, but it may be a lot to them!
My brother and I were livid. I wanted to go back to speak to the manager, because in all reality if you are expecting a certain amount because of where you work normally there's a gratuity included on your bill. For those that don't know, some establishments include a mandatory tip, it can range from 15 to 18% of your bill at times. Its not overly common (unless I just tend not to eat at places that do it) and most places will let you know there's a gratuity included on your bill before you walk in the place.
Anyways, so long story short: Yes, you could potentially be tracked down by an irate server. But that is FAR from the norm, and as far as I know I've never met anyone else who had that happen.
Being mean when not getting tips is just wrong though. I had regulars who wouldn't tip well and ones that did. They both got the same level of service though.
My brother and I were livid. I wanted to go back to speak to the manager, because in all reality if you are expecting a certain amount because of where you work normally there's a gratuity included on your bill. For those that don't know, some establishments include a mandatory tip, it can range from 15 to 18% of your bill at times. Its not overly common (unless I just tend not to eat at places that do it) and most places will let you know there's a gratuity included on your bill before you walk in the place.
When I lived in the UK a friend told me about going to the US and not tipping his bartender at a hotel bar. When he went to the bar the next night he said he got served but the bartender was no where near as friendly or helpful! I don't really think it's right, you should serve your customers well regardless but it is definitely considered rude.
My brother and I were frothing at the mouth. I was a server at the time and couldn't believe he did that! Funny enough, I had totally forgotten that this happened (I was 19 at the time, I'm turning 35 in a few weeks) until the comment about what would happen if someone didn't tip/tip well.
At first I was like "Whaaaa? Nothing would happen!!!" Then I remembered
To this day I discourage people from going there. I know its unfair of me, and that's ONE server but I'd never want anyone to go through what my Dad did. But there was a part of me that wonders about the establishment itself. Most upscale places don't run without a front manager (like a kitchen manager but watches over the servers/hostess) and they must've seen him run out of the store.
Granted, I don't know what they said to him afterwards... but it must have seemed a bit sketchy to all of a sudden have a customer that's paid and left all of a sudden back in to give a bigger tip? I was shocked that no one said anything about it to my Dad.
I would have been embarrassed had that been a server I was in charge of.
WAIT! I LIED!!!!
Okay, this was quite a long time ago and this doesn't brand every server iygwim?
So it was Thanksgiving day weekend here, and my brother was still in university. We unfortunately weren't able (for whatever reasons I can't remember now) to get together for thanksgiving dinner, so we opted to go out instead.
We were downtown Toronto, and I won't name the establishment because I don't think its their fault. Anyhoo, it was a very upscale place. Our server, was diligent. Held out chairs for us, put our napkins on our laps (which I wasn't a fan of), very proficient but he wasn't good. I don't know how to explain it. He was going through the motions of all he should be doing, but he was very snotty about it.
Anyways, we had an okay-ish meal and then my Dad paid for the dinner. My Dad isn't up to snuff when it comes to etiquette in tipping. To him, $5 is A LOT of money and so that's what he tipped. We were part way down the street walking back to the subway when our server LITERALLY came running up behind us and proceded to bitch out my dad in front of his family for the tip he gave.
According to the server, he felt we didn't tip enough for what he did. My poor dad was SO embarrassed. Actually went back to the establishment and gave him some more money. Yes, its culturally normal here to tip. No, you don't not demand/expect a certain percentage. Like I mentioned before, you never know the financial status of the people at your tables. $3 might not seem a lot to you, but it may be a lot to them!
My brother and I were livid. I wanted to go back to speak to the manager, because in all reality if you are expecting a certain amount because of where you work normally there's a gratuity included on your bill. For those that don't know, some establishments include a mandatory tip, it can range from 15 to 18% of your bill at times. Its not overly common (unless I just tend not to eat at places that do it) and most places will let you know there's a gratuity included on your bill before you walk in the place.
Anyways, so long story short: Yes, you could potentially be tracked down by an irate server. But that is FAR from the norm, and as far as I know I've never met anyone else who had that happen.
Being mean when not getting tips is just wrong though. I had regulars who wouldn't tip well and ones that did. They both got the same level of service though.
Woah!!! To be blunt he'd have been risking a smack to the chops from some people lol