Should we bring back the death penalty?

im not talking about going to jail for petty theft or anything like that. is there a difference in prison whether youre a murderer or just a small town crook? im talking about a serial killer not manslaughter.
 
Ian Brady is currently starving himself, and has been for years. It IS a control thing but I would also say it points to life in prison not exactly being the life of riley that some people think it is.
 
i never said life in prison is so great. but they get food, shelter, exercise, a chance to go outside, and even entertainment! while their victims are rotting in the ground, doesnt seem right.
 
There are 4 different categories, A-D. Category A-C are high security and D is an open prison. My friend went to a category B prison, high security, full of serious criminals - murderers, rapists, etc, before they were moved to an open prison.

All the things you say prisoners get - rubbish. Food is served at set times, you can't wander to the fridge if you fancy a sandwich, or if you don't fancy the meal make something better. Shelter yes, you get a small room where you can be watched at all times and you share with a cell mate who could be in for anything. Exercise is an hour or half an hour walking around in circles in a square cage three times a day, or a short allocated time spent in a gym. Entertainment? Small tv in the room with terrestrial channels that you share with someone you don't know who might not want to watch it. You have to go to the toilet in front of your cell mate, and they do the same. You live in constant threat of other prisoners, particularly lifers who have nothing to lose and so are prepared to seriously harm other prisoners should you not comply with their wishes. If someone is in for a crime against children or rape, lifers often deliberately try to dish out their own 'justice' and make it their mission to kill them. There is a huge hierarchy between prisoners and they fight to get there. You live in fear of being hurt, raped or worse.

So yes, there is the basic forms of what you said, but there is no FREEDOM. Please don't underestimate how much this affects a person. You can't decide you want to go out for a walk or get some fresh air, you can't decide to eat when you're hungry or sleep in silence if your cell mate wants the TV on, you cant decide to have a bath rather than shower in a huge open shower with everyone else, you can't decide to have some time on your own or go out and get drunk or have sex with your partner, you have no options - your choices are gone.

Prison scares the absolute crap out of me, I can't imagine a worse way to live.
 
but what about the victims? i bet they would like some fresh air, oh but wait, theyre lying in the GROUND. and about the fear the prisoners feel, what about the fear their victims felt? its alittle ironic isnt it? a killer fearing for his life, or a rapist worrying about getting raped? maybe they deserve it. and itsnot rubbish, they still get food to stay alive, they dont deserve gourmet food, theyre in prison! and they at least get exercise, i dont care if its a small cube, its still fresh air. and who cares if they dont get digital cable or whatever, they still get entertainment. imo, they deserve none of it! (serial killers, etc)
 
and they dont deserve freedom, if theyve took it from others
 
You're missing the point. The point is they are given the minimum of what they need to remain sane and healthy enough to re-enter society when their sentence has been served. I'm not suggesting that they get more, they are there to be punished and I agree with that, but to imply they are in some kind of fortunate position is absolute crap. They are punished every single day by not having the freedom and choices that every law abiding person has.

It might be ironic that they live in fear of their crime being committed against them, but that doesn't mean that it's ok. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. We shouldn't be punishing people with their own crimes, should we?
 
but i keep saying this, where is the victim in all this? everybody is talking about the "poor" prisoner, but what about the victim? where is the justice? prisoners dont deserve the extras, they dont deserve the "freedom" that the law abiding citizens have, because they are not "law abiding". i just dont get it,maybe they deserve to feel the fear their victims felt, maybe that will help them rehabilitate. why does society have to live in fear of these criminals, but its not ok for these same criminals to feel fear prison? if they wanted their freedom, if they wanted all the "luxeries" we as law abiding citizens have, then they shouldnt have committed the crime, period. i have absolutely NO sympathies for these criminals. (im not talking about your friend, im talking about serial killers, rapists, and child molestors etc)
 
I'm sorry but you're misunderstanding me - I was talking in reference to the idea that prison is easy. I wasn't saying criminals deserve freedom or that they should have extras, I was just saying that prison IS punishment. Even with food, shelter etc it is punishment. There's no reason for me to talk about the victim, I'm just talking about prisons. I'm not saying criminals shouldn't fear prison, and I'm not saying that they deserve sympathy, I'm just saying that prison is hard (and it should be hard - but I don't think living in fear of their life is acceptable, but that is another debate).
 
To go back to Ian Brady, he wants to die, to him dying is the easy way out, therefore to many prison is harder than the death penalty, maybe :shrug:
 
To go back to Ian Brady, he wants to die, to him dying is the easy way out, therefore to many prison is harder than the death penalty, maybe :shrug:

if everyone is so concerned with the prisoners feelings, than why not send him to the electric chair? its what he wants! he'll get plenty punished in the afterlife.
 
I've not said I'm concerned with his feelings just pointing out that we might think death is worse than prison but many lifers try to commit suicide so to them it might not be. And so death could be almost giving them what they want. I don't believe in bring punished in an afterlife though, so for me once death happens that's it for me.
 
Ian Brady is Protected in prison, so he's not around other prisoners because they would beat,rape kill him. Just like that Ian what's his name who killed those 2 little girls, he was beaten up so then after that was under police protected.
So really it can't be that bad for them considering what could happen if the police left the other prisoners to it
 
Ian Huntley has been badly attacked at least twice. He is another who tried to commit suicide. Obviously being beaten etc is worse but I personally wouldn't want solitary confiment, so whilst it may seem not that bad can you imagine spending your life knowing that you will probably never have aanother conversation just for the sake of it, as in a chat about the footy match you just watched or whatever? Sometimes I only speak to my dh and lo's for a few weeks and it drives me crazy. Don't get me wrong this isn't about his feelings but for ME, knowing I have years and years of nothing, just my thoughts for company would drive me crazy and in all honesty I would prefer death than thirty plus years of that, knowing I'm gonna die there any way.
 
are you speaking from experience? have you ever been to prison? if you havent how can you say that?


have you been to prison? can you say that you were living a happy life there? if you havent how can you say that prisoners live happy lives?
 
Also i dont belive they will get punished in the Afterlife at all, what i believe is part of the reason why i think about this the way i do but i wont go in to that right now LOL.
 
They have seperate wings now for peodophiles and child murderers and lifers etc as far as im aware....they try to put the prisoners in for the same sort of thing together but i wouldnt be so quick to to say prison guards protect all prisoners some are just as corrupt and if not worse as some of the prisoners.............. how do you think drugs get into prisons? and weapons and money? etc etc. they taunt prisoners playing mind games and doing strip searches unneccesarily to degrade them, and this isnt just the serial criminals either prisoners that are going to return to our society more damage then when they went in, it takes a strong person to make it out of prison without being permenantly damange by that experience and suicide rates are high in prison...................its far from a holiday camp, 3 jamie oliver cooked meals a day, and just watching tv and playing computer games and walking around the prison and outside on the grounds to get fresh air whenever they please.....its not like the daily mail and other forms of media make it sound at all.
 
are you speaking from experience? have you ever been to prison? if you havent how can you say that?


have you been to prison? can you say that you were living a happy life there? if you havent how can you say that prisoners live happy lives?

i NEVER said prisoners lead happy lives! dont put words in my mouth! i just said they get food, shelter, etc, which is alot more than their victims have! that is nit justice to me.
 
Also i dont belive they will get punished in the Afterlife at all, what i believe is part of the reason why i think about this the way i do but i wont go in to that right now LOL.

well, and im entitled to what i believe, and i believe in an afterlife! i believe they wont truely get punished until they answer to God. (im not a religious person persay, but i do belueve in God).
 
Also i dont belive they will get punished in the Afterlife at all, what i believe is part of the reason why i think about this the way i do but i wont go in to that right now LOL.

well, and im entitled to what i believe, and i believe in an afterlife! i believe they wont truely get punished until they answer to God. (im not a religious person persay, but i do belueve in God).


What happens to those that administer the death penalty then? Surely they have taken a life, no matter what that person has done. Most religions are against the death penalty anyway.
 

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