Soy Isoflavones! Natures Clomid!

[nfg]

Hello all,

I just joined this forum. And I posted this as a general situation and question on the TTC forum/and 35 plus TTC already- now that I'm exploring the site more, I found this thread, too, and thought I could summarize my situation here since it is Soy specific!

So, I talked hubby into TTC no. 4 at the end of January and we began trying in February. We had no luck Feb, March, April or May (and I turned 38 in May). In Feb I had no idea when I even ovulated- my cycles ranged from 28-34 days. In March and April I used OPKs to try to pinpoint when I ovulate and determined that I tend to ovulate around CD18-19 or so.

In May I switched to digital OPKs instead of the "figure out if this line is dark enough" nonsense.

No pregnancy any of those months.

Then I read about Soy and decided to give it a try for my June cycle, which is now our fifth cycle of actively trying.

I took 150 mg soy on CD2-5 and 200 mg soy on CD6 (before bed each time).

I had no side effects during the time I was taking it, and according to the digital OPK, I got my LH surge a good 5-6 days earlier than usual! I got it just two days ago on June 5th, which was CD13. Usually I don't get my positive til CD18-19 or so!

The morning I got my positive, we bd'd that morning and again that night.

But the day after that (yesterday- 6/6. CD14) I started noticing pinkish-reddish spotting every time I wiped during the day. I never get any sort of mid-cycle bleeding but did some browsing online and found that it was probably ovulation spotting due to the soy/estrogen levels. No biggie, right? But by the end of the day yesterday the spotting was getting a bit heavier and redder, so we didn't "bd" again yesterday even though I would have liked to.

Now, today, 6/7 it has seemed almost to turn into another period rather than just spotting?! Not a very heavy one but I mean I'm using pads like I would in the first day or two of any normal period I get, and it's definitely not just "spotting" anymore, and it's not just when I wipe. It's making me a little nervous to be honest... (I'm not having any cramping or anything really).

is this normal at all? Has it happened to anyone else here?

Anyway, please cross your fingers for me that bd'ing two times the day I got my positive OPK was enough, with the soy, that I can get a bfp this month and not have to go into a sixth cycle of trying next month... I am a bit worried now that I am 38 (plus being overweight) that maybe this is going to be a lot harder than I thought.

Thanks for reading,
Nancy

 

[Miss_C]

not sure what the docs are like in your neck of the woods but at 35+ they are normally perfectly OK for you to ask them to run some tests for you, especially things like the FSH and AMH as these are key indicators. Also your cd3 and cd21 (or as close to 7 days after O) progesterone levels.

I tried soy for 2 cycles, and my O was delayed by 2 days so no biggie as my goal was to produce a more mature egg. I did however spot and spot for many days after AF which I never did. Last cycle I had 2 heavy heavy bleeds which prompted me to go to the doctor. Turned out I have a fibroid that grew very quicly as it wasn't there in February when we lost our baby at 12w1D. General feeling is the large estogen boost my body produced from taking the soy is what made it grow. Fibroids are reliant on estrogen and the levels produced by the soy gave it the extra it needed.

It may be nothing like that but your story sounded so familiar O had to share. I would say go to doc and get tested.

I am 43 and had my first child at 40 (he was a surprise 40th birthday present, we fell in Feb (apparently) and didnlt know until April 2 weeks before my 40th!! I was also on the pill so a hige surprise so please don't let 38 be anything more than a number.

 

[prettymachine]

not sure what the docs are like in your neck of the woods but at 35+ they are normally perfectly OK for you to ask them to run some tests for you, especially things like the FSH and AMH as these are key indicators. Also your cd3 and cd21 (or as close to 7 days after O) progesterone levels.

I tried soy for 2 cycles, and my O was delayed by 2 days so no biggie as my goal was to produce a more mature egg. I did however spot and spot for many days after AF which I never did. Last cycle I had 2 heavy heavy bleeds which prompted me to go to the doctor. Turned out I have a fibroid that grew very quicly as it wasn't there in February when we lost our baby at 12w1D. General feeling is the large estogen boost my body produced from taking the soy is what made it grow. Fibroids are reliant on estrogen and the levels produced by the soy gave it the extra it needed.

It may be nothing like that but your story sounded so familiar O had to share. I would say go to doc and get tested.

I am 43 and had my first child at 40 (he was a surprise 40th birthday present, we fell in Feb (apparently) and didnlt know until April 2 weeks before my 40th!! I was also on the pill so a hige surprise so please don't let 38 be anything more than a number.

did you get the fibroid taken care of? are you still ttc or do you have to wait?

 

[Miss_C]

the FS said the fibroid was not a hinderance to ttc nor was it a factor in the miscarriage because it it in the uterine wall fundal slightly right so up the top and off to the side a bit so not blocking tubes or exit path for baby. Nor ir is protruding into the womb. However he did say it was contributable to the heavy bleeding cos the lining around the fibroid grows very thick hence when AF comes it is thick and heavy and full of clots.

He is putting me on clomid next cyle though which I feel a complete hypocrite for doing so as I wanted "nautural" but figure I gave the soy a shot twice and will do what he says this time or he may not help us further.

If the clomid doesn't do anything "significant" not sure what that means other than pregnancy lol he is going to run some more tests including checking my tubes.

I may have mucked up the "natural order of things " with the soy though as my oestradiol levels were ridiculously low so with falsely creating surges my "normal" levels dreopped too low and with the fibroid eating the estrogen as well it all went a bit whack. What diff the clomid will make to any of that is beyond me as my understanding is they do the same thing.

I am so confused right now that I am just nodding my head and sayng yes and doing what I am told. I am tired and over it but still willing to try it all to achieve the goal.

 

[Miss Redknob]

Hi ladies,

I have just spent the last couple of days reading this thread from start to finish. Congrats to all of you that have gotten BFP!!!! Hope you have a Happy & Healthy 9 months...xx

Well a bit about me, I am almost 28 and DH is 28 we have been together for 9yrs and have been married for nearly 2. We first conceived when we were 19 but sadly had to have a termination due to being very ill with Glandular Fever, both of us. We have been actively trying since October 2009 and have had miscarriages since then. After the 3rd we had genetic testing which diagnosed me with Coeliac Disease & my DH with a Balanced Translocation of Chromosomes 14 & 15. We were told we have a 1 in 4 chance each time we conceive, or we can do IVF with PGD.

My DH and I would like to conceive naturally. We are not trying atm as we are taking a break and have booked a holiday to Europe in Sep / Oct, so we are planning on trying over there and when we get back.

I have already got myself some Soft Cups and a CBFM and I'm waiting for AF to arrive to start using it. I have also ordered Spring Valley Soy Isos, is this brand any good??? I think I will take the Soy Isos on CD 3-7 as this seems to be the best, I have a 29-32 day cycle.

Any tips you lovely ladies can give me is much apprieciated..

Kirsty

 

[Lisa2701]

Hi ladies,

I have just spent the last couple of days reading this thread from start to finish. Congrats to all of you that have gotten BFP!!!! Hope you have a Happy & Healthy 9 months...xx

Well a bit about me, I am almost 28 and DH is 28 we have been together for 9yrs and have been married for nearly 2. We first conceived when we were 19 but sadly had to have a termination due to being very ill with Glandular Fever, both of us. We have been actively trying since October 2009 and have had miscarriages since then. After the 3rd we had genetic testing which diagnosed me with Coeliac Disease & my DH with a Balanced Translocation of Chromosomes 14 & 15. We were told we have a 1 in 4 chance each time we conceive, or we can do IVF with PGD.

My DH and I would like to conceive naturally. We are not trying atm as we are taking a break and have booked a holiday to Europe in Sep / Oct, so we are planning on trying over there and when we get back.

I have already got myself some Soft Cups and a CBFM and I'm waiting for AF to arrive to start using it. I have also ordered Spring Valley Soy Isos, is this brand any good??? I think I will take the Soy Isos on CD 3-7 as this seems to be the best, I have a 29-32 day cycle.

Any tips you lovely ladies can give me is much apprieciated..

Kirsty

So sorry to hear about the difficulties you have faced. I wish you the best of luck in future TTC . Sorry I can't be of any help.

 

[Lisa2701]

Ladies.....I forgot to take my last lot of Soy Iso....ARGH! Last night should have been my last days of taking them but I was so stressed at bed time i completely forgot. What do I do?? Leave it as is or take the last dose tonight?? HELP!!

 

[Miss_C]

if it is morning where you are take it now! unfortunately means you may feel the side effects but with it being last dose you know it'll be over soon!!

 

[pdmcd17]

So I am wondering do any of you find it hard when were so desperately ttc to get that beautiful baby, do you find it hard to see other pregnant ( I don't find that hard but seeing babies pregnant or hearing about others ending just kills me)

And I now have found myself weepy at birth stories - am I alone feeling like this or plAin crazy.

Well tonight I start my soy second try. But my temps are still higher there dropping slowly is this normal for everyone? I honestly expected a big drop yesterday.

 

[Lisa2701]

I will go take them now.

Yes I find it hard to see little babies and pregnant women, and there's a huge baby boom where I am just now, not to mention all my friends and family who are either pregnant or just had babies. Hard, but we will get there in the end

 

[Lisa2701]

Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I find it harder when i see a woman with loads of kids in toe and she's screaming at them or dragging them up the street...saw that this morning....makes me wanna . I am not saying I am the perfect mother, but i HATE seeing kids being screamed at and at my sons school there is a couple of mothers who have numerous kids and scream at them or swear at them....makes me so angry!

 

[prettymachine]

the FS said the fibroid was not a hinderance to ttc nor was it a factor in the miscarriage because it it in the uterine wall fundal slightly right so up the top and off to the side a bit so not blocking tubes or exit path for baby. Nor ir is protruding into the womb. However he did say it was contributable to the heavy bleeding cos the lining around the fibroid grows very thick hence when AF comes it is thick and heavy and full of clots.

He is putting me on clomid next cyle though which I feel a complete hypocrite for doing so as I wanted "nautural" but figure I gave the soy a shot twice and will do what he says this time or he may not help us further.

If the clomid doesn't do anything "significant" not sure what that means other than pregnancy lol he is going to run some more tests including checking my tubes.

I may have mucked up the "natural order of things " with the soy though as my oestradiol levels were ridiculously low so with falsely creating surges my "normal" levels dreopped too low and with the fibroid eating the estrogen as well it all went a bit whack. What diff the clomid will make to any of that is beyond me as my understanding is they do the same thing.

I am so confused right now that I am just nodding my head and sayng yes and doing what I am told. I am tired and over it but still willing to try it all to achieve the goal.

well thats good it cant hurt you...although who wants a really heavy period? thats definitely a downside.

i cant think of how clomid will be different than soy either, but at least if the dr is doing it he will monitor your throughout your cycle, i believe, right?

good luck! maybe this cycle will be yours by suprise and you wont need the clomid

 

[Miss Redknob]

Ladies.....I forgot to take my last lot of Soy Iso....ARGH! Last night should have been my last days of taking them but I was so stressed at bed time i completely forgot. What do I do?? Leave it as is or take the last dose tonight?? HELP!!

What Soy Iso do you take??

 

[Lisa2701]

Ladies.....I forgot to take my last lot of Soy Iso....ARGH! Last night should have been my last days of taking them but I was so stressed at bed time i completely forgot. What do I do?? Leave it as is or take the last dose tonight?? HELP!!

What Soy Iso do you take??

Tesco ones

 

[Miss Redknob]

I have bought the Spring Valley 40mg ones, what is the best to start off with?? I was thing of doing CD3 - 160mg, CD4 - 160mg, CD5 - 160mg, CD6 - 200mg and CD7 - 200mg??

 

[Miss_C]

I got mine off e bay - they are 60mg so way easier as you take fewer tablets

 

[poppy666]

I have bought the Spring Valley 40mg ones, what is the best to start off with?? I was thing of doing CD3 - 160mg, CD4 - 160mg, CD5 - 160mg, CD6 - 200mg and CD7 - 200mg??

You look good to go just take what you feel comfortable with sweetie and good luck x

 

[Miss Redknob]

Thanks Poppy, will be taking them in October, just getting myself ready.

I just noticed that you are due on the 14/11/11 that is our anniversary, must be a lucky day. Do you know what you are having or is it a surprise??

 

[poppy666]

Your the second member to say im due on their Anniversary lol must be a lucky day... yes ive been told im having a girl still hasnt sunk in after 4 boys

 

[Miss Redknob]

Oh wow 4 boys, going to be a very spoilt little girl by her big brothers.