Soy Isoflavones! Natures Clomid!

[Tallmom2b]

Sorry to hear AF got you beautiful fx for you for next cycle! Maybe bleeding is so much because you had a nice endometrium built up? Thats a good thing right?

Thats what I was thinking, or maybe a chemical as I was getting lines for a few days, I guess I will never know. I wont be trying soy again this cycle as that was my second in a row, I'm hoping though that it has given my cycles the kick start that they need fingers crossed! if not I shall give vitex a go maybe

If you wanted your doc could do a blood test to check HcG levels. If you were getting faint lines than you are probably right. I have to go in for a blood test in the morning because of the possible gestational sac they spotted in an ultrasound last monday. But CD 1 was Friday for me. Not sure if I have any hcg left in my system now but I really think conception did occur.
This is the downside to keeping such close attention, we know if we are preggo so early. Otherwise we would never know it was a chemical.

 

[bky]

I wonder if anyone has successfully used soy to induce ovulation when they were not ovulating?
About how long after taking the soy (I don't have a cycle day at the moment so I'd probably just take it for 5 days in a row) would you expect ovulation? 10-12 days or?

 

[Bubbles_75]

Thanks so much Poppy, I am trying to hang on to stories like yours. I was over the moon last year but after almost a year of trying so hard to get pregnant again since mc I worry it was my last chance gone. You give me hope xxx

Consider adding Fresh Royal Jelly/Bee Pollen to your regimen. You usually take it over a 3 month period to get your eggs ready, as that is how long it takes for them to mature from start to finish, but definitely helped me with the quality of my eggs. I am now currently prego with one very healthy bean and so far my team of drs are very pleased with the results. Usually have a ton of issues and so far everything looks way better than expected. I, of course, used the soy as well, which I totally believe helped me GET prego, but I think the Royal Jelly is what is keeping me prego. Best of luck to you. I know it can get frustrating. Believe in miracles

 

[Betheney]

We have actually got Soy twins cooking atm... Spellfairy having twin boys

YAY TWINS!!!! So did you and spellfairy take soy early in the month? How exciting!! I WANT TWINSIES!!!!

 

[BeautifulD]

I wonder if anyone has successfully used soy to induce ovulation when they were not ovulating?
About how long after taking the soy (I don't have a cycle day at the moment so I'd probably just take it for 5 days in a row) would you expect ovulation? 10-12 days or?

Well I take AGES to ovulate, up to 40 days and beyond, every cycle seems to get longer and longer and ff isn't usually sure if I have ovulated or not! but last cycle I did (with solid lines) on CD19 I took soy from CD 3-7. you have to take it on clomid days though hun you can't just take it bang smack in the middle of a cycle

 

[BeautifulD]

Sorry to hear AF got you beautiful fx for you for next cycle! Maybe bleeding is so much because you had a nice endometrium built up? Thats a good thing right?

Thats what I was thinking, or maybe a chemical as I was getting lines for a few days, I guess I will never know. I wont be trying soy again this cycle as that was my second in a row, I'm hoping though that it has given my cycles the kick start that they need fingers crossed! if not I shall give vitex a go maybe

If you wanted your doc could do a blood test to check HcG levels. If you were getting faint lines than you are probably right. I have to go in for a blood test in the morning because of the possible gestational sac they spotted in an ultrasound last monday. But CD 1 was Friday for me. Not sure if I have any hcg left in my system now but I really think conception did occur.
This is the downside to keeping such close attention, we know if we are preggo so early. Otherwise we would never know it was a chemical.

To be honest hun I'd rather not know. I'm sorry you're going through all this hun it seems so un fair. I hope they have the answers for you

Yeah I know, I wont ever test so early again this is the second time this has happened.... you would think I would have learnt the first time but eh nosiness gets the better of me

 

[bky]

I wonder if anyone has successfully used soy to induce ovulation when they were not ovulating?
About how long after taking the soy (I don't have a cycle day at the moment so I'd probably just take it for 5 days in a row) would you expect ovulation? 10-12 days or?

Well I take AGES to ovulate, up to 40 days and beyond, every cycle seems to get longer and longer and ff isn't usually sure if I have ovulated or not! but last cycle I did (with solid lines) on CD19 I took soy from CD 3-7. you have to take it on clomid days though hun you can't just take it bang smack in the middle of a cycle

I've got no cycles at all right now. Haven't ovulated since October of 2009 (pregnant and then breastfeeding) so I'm about using soy to see if things will start up.

 

[Betheney]

I wonder if anyone has successfully used soy to induce ovulation when they were not ovulating?
About how long after taking the soy (I don't have a cycle day at the moment so I'd probably just take it for 5 days in a row) would you expect ovulation? 10-12 days or?

I kinda think you have nothing to lose and might as well just take them anyway.

I'm also breastfeeding but i do have cycles they're just super long but as soon as i took soy that brought them back to a normal length.

I'm also curious if it could induce ovulation. I would say if your one of those people who just have random anovulatory cycles maybe yes, but if you don't have cycles because your breastfeeding i would say that would matter..... but i really am just guessing.

 

[poppy666]

We have actually got Soy twins cooking atm... Spellfairy having twin boys

YAY TWINS!!!! So did you and spellfairy take soy early in the month? How exciting!! I WANT TWINSIES!!!!

I was already newly pregnant after my miscarriage when i introduced Soy to a few members who had also had a loss... Think Spellfairy took on CD2-6 and upped her dosage last few days. I took this time on CD3-7 but same dosage as first time.

 

[BeautifulD]

I wonder if anyone has successfully used soy to induce ovulation when they were not ovulating?
About how long after taking the soy (I don't have a cycle day at the moment so I'd probably just take it for 5 days in a row) would you expect ovulation? 10-12 days or?

Well I take AGES to ovulate, up to 40 days and beyond, every cycle seems to get longer and longer and ff isn't usually sure if I have ovulated or not! but last cycle I did (with solid lines) on CD19 I took soy from CD 3-7. you have to take it on clomid days though hun you can't just take it bang smack in the middle of a cycle

I've got no cycles at all right now. Haven't ovulated since October of 2009 (pregnant and then breastfeeding) so I'm about using soy to see if things will start up.

Well obviously its down to you honey but personally there is no way I would use soy without knowing what cycle day I'm on.... It could really mess you up. Is it ok to take soy whilst BF? Good luck whatever you decide

 

[Tallmom2b]

Has anyone else experienced hot flashes? I think I read that it's a common side effect? This is my fourth day on it. Thanks

 

[BeautifulD]

Has anyone else experienced hot flashes? I think I read that it's a common side effect? This is my fourth day on it. Thanks

I didn't hun, well not that I know of. I took mine just before bed so could have slept through them. The only things I suffered with were really bad headaches for the first few days and SAVAGE mood swings to the point I annoyed myself for the whole time I was on them.

 

[debzie]

Has anyone else experienced hot flashes? I think I read that it's a common side effect? This is my fourth day on it. Thanks

I did the second time I took soy and last cycle. I too took them all at night but experienced headaches, nausea, and not drowsyness but a mild feeling of sedation on a morning and hot flushes to the point where I was going to give up see what happens this time.

 

[debzie]

Well here I am cd3 starting soy tonight. Wishing everyone luck where ever they are in their cycle. Do not know if I will stick to the winning formula of 160mg then up to 200mg last two or up to 200mg throughout any advice.

 

[Cypress]

Well here I am cd3 starting soy tonight. Wishing everyone luck where ever they are in their cycle. Do not know if I will stick to the winning formula of 160mg then up to 200mg last two or up to 200mg throughout any advice.

Hi I'm new, and am starting soy today, CD3 - I am wondering the same as debzie above regarding dose?

Also, does anyone have any thoughts on whether you can eat soy products during the 5 days? I have been avoiding soy foods generally as I've read they may negatively impact fertility. But if I'm taking the soy isoflavens maybe they're ok during that time?

Also, do you think it's best to take the full dosage all at once, or split up throughout the day (eg morning, noon and night)?

Thanks in advance, and good luck to all soy takers!

 

[debzie]

Spoomie where are you just peeped at your chart looks good. Fingers crossed. x

 

[debzie]

Hi cypress and welcome if its your first time taling soy i would stick to a lower dose just to sre how you react. Clomid is taken in one dose at the same time of day so i have always done tjat eith soy. I take it all last thing at night as it does tend to lessen side effects. As for eating soy products during this time as long as you are not taking max dose just keep an eye on what uou ate eating. Good luck hun. x

 

[Betheney]

Cypress

the first time i used soy i split it up during the day as i never really knew what i should do so i guessed and my Ov moved from CD22 - CD17 then i asked on the forum and everyone recommended taking it at once, however because i didn't want to ruin a good thing as it obviously worked when i spread it out i continued to spread it out until i got preggo. This time however i'm on a different brand which only requires 2 tablets and take them together at the same time everyday so we will see if it makes a difference, although this time i'm taking them from CD4 where as i always did it from CD2 so if something does change who know's if it's the brand, the day i started or if it's because it's in one does and not 3. lol

As for the soy products! Soy-isoflavones trick your body into thinking it's not producing Estrogen (pretty sure it's that hormone) then when you finish taking them your body surges with the hormones creating a nice ovulation. If you continually take soy-isoflavones you don't allow your body to create that surge and allow those hormones to make an ovulation in fact it will stop it from happening. That's why people with heavy soy diets can have their fertility impacted upon and why you should only take soy for a few days, so soy is more an issue if you take it throughout your cycle. Although from what i can gather you have to take a large amount of soy to get even a decent amount of soy-isoflavones out and have that actually impact on your fertility, so say you take 75mg per day of the tablets with soy in your diet it might be only 85mg in total. I'm a vegetarian and i wouldn't call my diet soy heavy but i do have it everyday.

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[cbmd]

hi ladies...i have pcos and considering tcc again asap as it took so long to conceive LO....i have heard of good success using soy from other ladies....however it was pure chance i fell pregnant and i dont know how to chart...temp etc.....so can you ladies help...how do you temp...and when do temperatures change? also which soy isoflavane do you recommend? and how much? and which days do you take it?
i would have to induce my period using provera as i dont have any at all.....x

 

[Spoomie]

Spoomie where are you just peeped at your chart looks good. Fingers crossed. x

Hi debzie, thanks for your good wishes. I must say, I'd normally have my period by now so a 14 day luteal phase is a good thing regardless. On the downside, I have had 2 negative tests at 11dpo and 13dpo, so I'm not really holding out a great deal of hope, and am preparing myself for a big temp drop tomorrow morning. The last couple of nights I have slept/woken erratically too (eg woken at 4.45 and then again at 6.15 with the alarm to take my temp) so I know this could have adversely affected my readings and given me false hope, clearly it's been on my mind a lot!

I'm actually wondering if the soy has affected my cycle/symptoms, not that I'm complaining about a 'perfect' luteal phase, you understand! It's just that this cycle has been unusual, I've had sore boobs which I never get prior to my period (though can't remember if I get them when I'm pregnant which is a bit useless of me!), although this seems to have subsided the last day or two, not a great sign. I've been having cramping every morning when I wake for about 5 days now making me think that af is about to show but my temp stays up and the cramping wears off. Curious.

Oh well, what will be, will be. Must try to sleep better tonight and pray for a 37.?? on my thermometer tomorrow! Prepare for the worst and hope for the best........