Spouses with low sperm count.
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Oh EmHart 
I know what you mean!!!
Shellie, the first SA we did at home...this next one is at the FS which is 2 hours away, so no chance for that
guess I'll have to buy him some girly magazines to bring that a million other men haven't touched while doing THAT (he is kinda a germaphobe) 
I just want to push fast forward and start this process!!!!!
I know what you mean!!!Shellie, the first SA we did at home...this next one is at the FS which is 2 hours away, so no chance for that
guess I'll have to buy him some girly magazines to bring that a million other men haven't touched while doing THAT (he is kinda a germaphobe) I just want to push fast forward and start this process!!!!!
emhart, i know what you mean too. i had the same thought this morning. I had a HPT this morning knowing perfectly well we have 2% chance of falling png naturally. A girl can only dream but of course it was a big fat nothing. I shouldn't have been surprised.
i wish i could give you words of encouragement but i don't know what to say except its okay to rant and get angry and then rant again sometimes. GL
i wish i could give you words of encouragement but i don't know what to say except its okay to rant and get angry and then rant again sometimes. GL
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I agree, I think sometimes I need to bawl and sob and sometimes I need to swear and shout. Sometimes that is just what we need to do! My next AF is due on the weekend of my Birthday, so that is going to be fun! I am actually feeling kinda better today, lets hope it lasts the weekend hey?
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Sometimes I NEED to give myself "x" amount of days to be sad and ticked off ~ especially when AF shows..I think it helps clear my heart and mind and allows me to move forward to the next month!
Ahhhhhh, the old birthday AF...that was me last month....obviously I didn't get the present I wanted most!
Ugh, I hate hate hate this TWW -,, especially now that I know our chances are basically nil....but somehow I can't stop hoping that maybe we will beat the odds??
Ahhhhhh, the old birthday AF...that was me last month....obviously I didn't get the present I wanted most!
Ugh, I hate hate hate this TWW -,, especially now that I know our chances are basically nil....but somehow I can't stop hoping that maybe we will beat the odds??
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I understand how you feel girls . I have my bad days when i cry & think it'll never happen 
but it does help to have a cry & be angry & upset,it gets it out of your system instead of building up festering away. I also have good days when i believe i'll get my BFP oneday soon & that miracles happen every day 
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The 1st day of the
bitch is always my worst day 
but then i start to pick my PMA up again for the new cycle ahead. This works for me cos if i didn't have hope i'd go crazy 
(not that i'm not a bit crazy lol )
. I have my bad days when i cry & think it'll never happen but it does help to have a cry & be angry & upset,it gets it out of your system instead of building up festering away. I also have good days when i believe i'll get my BFP oneday soon & that miracles happen every day . The 1st day of the
bitch is always my worst day but then i start to pick my PMA up again for the new cycle ahead. This works for me cos if i didn't have hope i'd go crazy (not that i'm not a bit crazy lol )
. I'm really hoping & praying that we get good news for a change 
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Fingers crossed Shellie!!!
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Hello, Everyone!
Just found this article -
https://www.businessweek.com/news/2...-human-eggs-in-possible-aid-to-fertility.html
Ovarian Stem Cells Make Human Eggs in Possible Aid to Fertility
February 27, 2012, 8:37 AM EST
By Ryan Flinn
Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Stem cells taken from human ovaries were used to produce early-stage eggs by scientists in Boston who may have created a new method to help infertile women.
Females have a fixed number of eggs from birth that are depleted by the time of menopause. The finding, published today in the journal Nature Medicine, challenges the belief that their ovaries cant make more. The research was led by Jonathan Tilly, the director of Massachusetts General Hospitals Vincent Center for Reproductive Biology.
Tilly reported in 2004 that ovarian stem cells in mice create new eggs, or oocytes, in a way similar to how stem cells in male testes produce sperm throughout a mans life. His latest work, if reproduced, would suggest the same is true for human ovaries, potentially pointing at new ways to aid fertility by delaying when the ovaries stop functioning.
The 50-year-old belief in our field wasnt actually based on data proving it was impossible, or not ongoing, Tilly said in a telephone interview. It was simply an assumption made because there was no evidence indicating otherwise. We have human cells that can produce new oocytes.
In the study, healthy ovaries were obtained from consenting patients undergoing sex reassignment surgery. The researchers were able to identify ovarian stem cells because they express a rare protein thats only seen in reproductive cells.
The stem cells from the ovaries were injected into human ovarian tissue that was then grafted under the skin of mice, which provided the blood supply that enabled growth. Within two weeks, early stage human follicles with oocytes had formed.
7-Million Eggs
A female is most endowed with oocytes, or eggs, as a fetus, when she has about 7 million. That number that drops to 1 million by birth, and around 300,000 by puberty. By menopause, the number is zero. Since the 1950s, scientists thought that ovarian stem cells capable of producing new eggs are only active during fetal development.
This paper essentially opens the door to the ability to control oocyte development in human ovaries, Tilly said.
About 10 percent of women of child-bearing age in the U.S., or 6.1 million, have difficulty getting pregnant or staying pregnant, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Most cases of female infertility are caused by problems with ovulation, hormone imbalance or age.
The study by Tilley and his colleagues offers a new model system for understanding the human egg cell, said David F. Albertini, director of the Center for Reproductive Services and professor in the department of molecular and integrative physiology at Kansas University, in a telephone interview.
Practical Applications
Still, theres a long way to go before this has real practical applications. Ive spent 35 years of my life studying egg cells and this is a cell that is at least as complicated as a neuron in the brain, if not more, Albertini said.
The work needs to be reproduced and expanded by other scientists to make it into something that will make us confident the cells are safe to use and we could actually use them to repopulate an egg-depleted ovary, he said.
Tillys team is exploring the development of an ovarian stem-cell bank that can be cryogenically frozen and thawed without damage, unlike human eggs, he said. The researchers are also working to identify hormones and other growth factors for accelerating production of eggs from human ovarian stem cells and ways to improve in-vitro fertilization.
The problem we face with IVF is we dont have many eggs to work with, he said. These cells are renewable. If we are successful -- and its a big if -- in generating functioning eggs from these cells, we can generate as many eggs as we need to on a per patient basis.
Tilly is also collaborating with researchers at the University of Edinburgh in the U.K. to determine whether the oocytes can be developed into fully mature human eggs for fertilizing. The U.S bans creating or fertilizing embryos for experimental purposes, he said.
A company Tilly co-founded, Boston-based OvaScience Inc., has licensed the technology for potential commercial applications.
--With assistance from Sarah Frier in New York. Editors: Angela Zimm, Andrew Pollack
To contact the reporter on this story: Ryan Flinn in San Francisco at [email protected]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Reg Gale at [email protected]
Just found this article -
https://www.businessweek.com/news/2...-human-eggs-in-possible-aid-to-fertility.html
Ovarian Stem Cells Make Human Eggs in Possible Aid to Fertility
February 27, 2012, 8:37 AM EST
By Ryan Flinn
Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Stem cells taken from human ovaries were used to produce early-stage eggs by scientists in Boston who may have created a new method to help infertile women.
Females have a fixed number of eggs from birth that are depleted by the time of menopause. The finding, published today in the journal Nature Medicine, challenges the belief that their ovaries cant make more. The research was led by Jonathan Tilly, the director of Massachusetts General Hospitals Vincent Center for Reproductive Biology.
Tilly reported in 2004 that ovarian stem cells in mice create new eggs, or oocytes, in a way similar to how stem cells in male testes produce sperm throughout a mans life. His latest work, if reproduced, would suggest the same is true for human ovaries, potentially pointing at new ways to aid fertility by delaying when the ovaries stop functioning.
The 50-year-old belief in our field wasnt actually based on data proving it was impossible, or not ongoing, Tilly said in a telephone interview. It was simply an assumption made because there was no evidence indicating otherwise. We have human cells that can produce new oocytes.
In the study, healthy ovaries were obtained from consenting patients undergoing sex reassignment surgery. The researchers were able to identify ovarian stem cells because they express a rare protein thats only seen in reproductive cells.
The stem cells from the ovaries were injected into human ovarian tissue that was then grafted under the skin of mice, which provided the blood supply that enabled growth. Within two weeks, early stage human follicles with oocytes had formed.
7-Million Eggs
A female is most endowed with oocytes, or eggs, as a fetus, when she has about 7 million. That number that drops to 1 million by birth, and around 300,000 by puberty. By menopause, the number is zero. Since the 1950s, scientists thought that ovarian stem cells capable of producing new eggs are only active during fetal development.
This paper essentially opens the door to the ability to control oocyte development in human ovaries, Tilly said.
About 10 percent of women of child-bearing age in the U.S., or 6.1 million, have difficulty getting pregnant or staying pregnant, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Most cases of female infertility are caused by problems with ovulation, hormone imbalance or age.
The study by Tilley and his colleagues offers a new model system for understanding the human egg cell, said David F. Albertini, director of the Center for Reproductive Services and professor in the department of molecular and integrative physiology at Kansas University, in a telephone interview.
Practical Applications
Still, theres a long way to go before this has real practical applications. Ive spent 35 years of my life studying egg cells and this is a cell that is at least as complicated as a neuron in the brain, if not more, Albertini said.
The work needs to be reproduced and expanded by other scientists to make it into something that will make us confident the cells are safe to use and we could actually use them to repopulate an egg-depleted ovary, he said.
Tillys team is exploring the development of an ovarian stem-cell bank that can be cryogenically frozen and thawed without damage, unlike human eggs, he said. The researchers are also working to identify hormones and other growth factors for accelerating production of eggs from human ovarian stem cells and ways to improve in-vitro fertilization.
The problem we face with IVF is we dont have many eggs to work with, he said. These cells are renewable. If we are successful -- and its a big if -- in generating functioning eggs from these cells, we can generate as many eggs as we need to on a per patient basis.
Tilly is also collaborating with researchers at the University of Edinburgh in the U.K. to determine whether the oocytes can be developed into fully mature human eggs for fertilizing. The U.S bans creating or fertilizing embryos for experimental purposes, he said.
A company Tilly co-founded, Boston-based OvaScience Inc., has licensed the technology for potential commercial applications.
--With assistance from Sarah Frier in New York. Editors: Angela Zimm, Andrew Pollack
To contact the reporter on this story: Ryan Flinn in San Francisco at [email protected]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Reg Gale at [email protected]
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Great to find this thread although so sorry that we are all in the same boat. Have spent last few hours reading entire thread and although it is great that some lovely ladies have managed to get their bfp it does seem to be few and far between.*
DH results
Count 14 million
Vol 3 mls
Motility 30 %*
rapid progression 17%
morphology 5%
We did manage to conceive in dec 2011 but miscarried at 5 weeks. I also spot between periods (although gynaecologist does not think this is a concern hmmmm)
Our GP is really nice and tells us that it could happen naturally however going by what others have been told on this thread we don't have much hope. My hubby also has varicose however don't think the urologist is up for operating as he says that evidence that it improves pregnancy rates is lacking. Again that seems very different to what I have read.*
It really does seem an uphill battle at times. As said, although gp is lovely, I feel that he should be a wee bit more realistic and refer us to fertility specialist given that waiting times already.*
Hope everyone is ok.*
DH results
Count 14 million
Vol 3 mls
Motility 30 %*
rapid progression 17%
morphology 5%
We did manage to conceive in dec 2011 but miscarried at 5 weeks. I also spot between periods (although gynaecologist does not think this is a concern hmmmm)
Our GP is really nice and tells us that it could happen naturally however going by what others have been told on this thread we don't have much hope. My hubby also has varicose however don't think the urologist is up for operating as he says that evidence that it improves pregnancy rates is lacking. Again that seems very different to what I have read.*
It really does seem an uphill battle at times. As said, although gp is lovely, I feel that he should be a wee bit more realistic and refer us to fertility specialist given that waiting times already.*
Hope everyone is ok.*
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Oh forgot to say that as of February, dh is taking wellman, vit c, macca and zinc. Next sperm analysis is on 11th April.
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Hi ladies, I hope you don't mind me joining you? I have searched high and low for an 'active' male-factor-infertility group, and alas, I stumbled upon you lovely ladies. My hubby does not have low counts, but has terrible morhphology (100% abnm, to be exact). Counts are at 80, motility is borderline at 40. Anyways, I'm just looking for support as we embark on this (likely)-long journey.
We have only been TTC for six-seven months now, but I'm feeling very pressured to have a baby well... yesterday... because of my family situation. I lost my grandma, one of my dads (to lymphoma), and my mom (to leukemia) last year, and so all I really have left are my twin sister (bless her), my grandad (who is not getting any younger!), and my other dad (who we just found out four weeks ago that HIS cancer is back). I'm only 27, DH is 29. So, needless to say, I want/need to have children NOW if I want them to know my family, and vice versa. It sounds like a soap opera, doesn't it? All I can do is laugh, or else I will cry.
Anyways, I had hubby do that SA two weeks ago 'just in case',thinking everything would come back okay and that we would just need to keep trying, and it came back awful. We were so shocked and devastated. In addition to the abnormal forms, they say that his
agglutinate, and to consider sperm antibodies. Sigh. So hubby has been checked for infections, all clear there. He'll be checked for a vericocele soon. Other than that, I've been checked myself and everything (hormones, etc) appear normal. Hubby goes for another SA in early April, and we'll see. We have an appointment with the RE in early May.
So there you have it, my story. Sometimes it just feels better to share it. I reallllllly thought the universe owed me one here, to just allow me to conceive somewhat easily, but it looks like more struggles are ahead. From what I have read, if his morhpology is really as bad as it appears, IVF with ICSI is in our future.
Praying for y'all, hoping you can pray for me too.
We have only been TTC for six-seven months now, but I'm feeling very pressured to have a baby well... yesterday... because of my family situation. I lost my grandma, one of my dads (to lymphoma), and my mom (to leukemia) last year, and so all I really have left are my twin sister (bless her), my grandad (who is not getting any younger!), and my other dad (who we just found out four weeks ago that HIS cancer is back). I'm only 27, DH is 29. So, needless to say, I want/need to have children NOW if I want them to know my family, and vice versa. It sounds like a soap opera, doesn't it? All I can do is laugh, or else I will cry.
Anyways, I had hubby do that SA two weeks ago 'just in case',thinking everything would come back okay and that we would just need to keep trying, and it came back awful. We were so shocked and devastated. In addition to the abnormal forms, they say that his
agglutinate, and to consider sperm antibodies. Sigh. So hubby has been checked for infections, all clear there. He'll be checked for a vericocele soon. Other than that, I've been checked myself and everything (hormones, etc) appear normal. Hubby goes for another SA in early April, and we'll see. We have an appointment with the RE in early May.So there you have it, my story. Sometimes it just feels better to share it. I reallllllly thought the universe owed me one here, to just allow me to conceive somewhat easily, but it looks like more struggles are ahead. From what I have read, if his morhpology is really as bad as it appears, IVF with ICSI is in our future.
Praying for y'all, hoping you can pray for me too.
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Hi Ladies, I'm 32 and DH is 41. Earlier this year he was diagnosed with abnormal sperm and pre diagnosed with Varicocele. The ultrasound came back negative for Varicocele 
, but dr thinks a retest is needed in 3 months because he's pretty sure something's there.
Anyhow, on for SA dh had low morphology, low motility and low count, but good volume.
Second test his count hand increased abit. His FS said that he's looking at 8 million healthy sperm so to speak. They want him to get up to 10 million in order to have enough sperm for IUI.
He's on a low dose of clomid now that he FINALLY started taking. We were definitely going through hurdle there. Hoping this will increase him to 10 million.
Anyhow wishing the best to all of you! Look forward to sharing with anyone who's still active in this thread.
Receiving such news can be very discouraging. Success stories welcomed!
, but dr thinks a retest is needed in 3 months because he's pretty sure something's there.Anyhow, on for SA dh had low morphology, low motility and low count, but good volume.
Second test his count hand increased abit. His FS said that he's looking at 8 million healthy sperm so to speak. They want him to get up to 10 million in order to have enough sperm for IUI.
He's on a low dose of clomid now that he FINALLY started taking. We were definitely going through hurdle there. Hoping this will increase him to 10 million.
Anyhow wishing the best to all of you! Look forward to sharing with anyone who's still active in this thread.
Receiving such news can be very discouraging. Success stories welcomed!
Hello, would it be ok if I joined this thread? We've just had our first SA results back and by all accounts these are pretty bad :/
pH - 8.1
Volume (ml) - 1.5
Round Cells - 0.00 (does anyone know what these are?!)
Concentration (mill/ml) - 0.10
Motility (fast)* - 3
Motility (Slow)* - 13
Motility (non-progressive)* - 7
Motility (not moving at all)* - 44
Normal Forms* - 2
Agglutination - None
* figures represent total sperm seen, and not a %
Comments refer to Oglioasthenozoospermia, and theres a note that says the morphology was poor with odd shaped heads and midpieces but nothing about numbers on this.
OH is on Wellman Conception and is now making a special effort to, um, keep things cool!! (he likes the odd hot bath etc which has now been banned :/) But I'd love to know what tips or advice you guys have.
We are being referred to a fertility specialist by our GP now because of these results. I'm 34 (35 in a few months) and OH is 32. Neither of us drink or smoke, could probably stand to loose a few pounds but neither of us is massively overweight. I've had ov blood tests and they were ok, although I do have a bicornuate uterus to contend with as well - if they think assisted conception is required (which our GP basically said was our only option) does anyone know if this might affect things? :/
pH - 8.1
Volume (ml) - 1.5
Round Cells - 0.00 (does anyone know what these are?!)
Concentration (mill/ml) - 0.10
Motility (fast)* - 3
Motility (Slow)* - 13
Motility (non-progressive)* - 7
Motility (not moving at all)* - 44
Normal Forms* - 2
Agglutination - None
* figures represent total sperm seen, and not a %
Comments refer to Oglioasthenozoospermia, and theres a note that says the morphology was poor with odd shaped heads and midpieces but nothing about numbers on this.
OH is on Wellman Conception and is now making a special effort to, um, keep things cool!! (he likes the odd hot bath etc which has now been banned :/) But I'd love to know what tips or advice you guys have.
We are being referred to a fertility specialist by our GP now because of these results. I'm 34 (35 in a few months) and OH is 32. Neither of us drink or smoke, could probably stand to loose a few pounds but neither of us is massively overweight. I've had ov blood tests and they were ok, although I do have a bicornuate uterus to contend with as well - if they think assisted conception is required (which our GP basically said was our only option) does anyone know if this might affect things? :/
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Hi RegalPea, Hi Mel. I posted on Sunday and haven't heard a reply yet from anyone who is 'active' on this thread, which is no problem But perhaps we can lean on each other if y'all are interested in keeping up with posting. I just know that I could really use some support
RegalPea, I love how strong and hopeful you are! I'm also happy your DH's second SA came back a little better than the first. If you read up to my first post, you'll see that my hubby's first SA came back horribly, and he goes for his second one early next week, so I"m hoping for anything even slightly better... Do you know when you might be able to begin IUI? GL to you and fingers crossed
Mel, I wish I had more insight/input
I"m not sure how to interpret those results without them being a percentage... where abouts do you live? I haven't come accross SA results that are reported like that before I do understand about the poor morphology, my DH's morph. was horrible horrible, 100% abnormal with good counts and borderline motility. I'm glad to see your DH is on wellman, mine just began FertilAid and a bunch of others (coenzyme q10, etc) that FertilAid didn't include. He doesn't smoke, rarely drinks, and we've done similar things... no tight underwear, no hot baths he also isn't going to ride his bike until we conceive, and he's drinking decaf instead of caffeine. It sounds like you are doing all you can. How long have you been ttc?
Afm, I see the RE for the first time on May 6th, so until then we're just going to keep trying, even though things seem so grim... I can't imagine giving up trying naturally, even if the chances are so small.
to you both xo
But perhaps we can lean on each other if y'all are interested in keeping up with posting. I just know that I could really use some support RegalPea, I love how strong and hopeful you are! I'm also happy your DH's second SA came back a little better than the first. If you read up to my first post, you'll see that my hubby's first SA came back horribly, and he goes for his second one early next week, so I"m hoping for anything even slightly better... Do you know when you might be able to begin IUI? GL to you and fingers crossed
Mel, I wish I had more insight/input
I"m not sure how to interpret those results without them being a percentage... where abouts do you live? I haven't come accross SA results that are reported like that before I do understand about the poor morphology, my DH's morph. was horrible horrible, 100% abnormal with good counts and borderline motility. I'm glad to see your DH is on wellman, mine just began FertilAid and a bunch of others (coenzyme q10, etc) that FertilAid didn't include. He doesn't smoke, rarely drinks, and we've done similar things... no tight underwear, no hot baths he also isn't going to ride his bike until we conceive, and he's drinking decaf instead of caffeine. It sounds like you are doing all you can. How long have you been ttc?Afm, I see the RE for the first time on May 6th, so until then we're just going to keep trying, even though things seem so grim... I can't imagine giving up trying naturally, even if the chances are so small.
to you both xoHi Ladies Looks like its just a couple of us on here for now then!
Posey - LOL I'm in the UK so I guess our reports come back differently to those over the pond From what I've seen so far, these are pretty bad results though - 100,000 swimmers per ml and of those, literally only about 3 that are ok :/ Sorry your results werent great either - its so frustrating that on paper our OH's should be ok, but theres that unknown 'something' thats messing things up :/ Good luck for your RE appointment though!!
Good luck with your retest too Regalpeas, let us know how you get on!
Dreaming - were abouts are you (the use of the word 'wee' indicates you might be my side of the atlantic LOL)? So sorry to hear about your m/c, but fingers crossed for your retest
Looks like its just a couple of us on here for now then! Posey - LOL I'm in the UK so I guess our reports come back differently to those over the pond
From what I've seen so far, these are pretty bad results though - 100,000 swimmers per ml and of those, literally only about 3 that are ok :/ Sorry your results werent great either - its so frustrating that on paper our OH's should be ok, but theres that unknown 'something' thats messing things up :/ Good luck for your RE appointment though!!Good luck with your retest too Regalpeas, let us know how you get on!
Dreaming - were abouts are you (the use of the word 'wee' indicates you might be my side of the atlantic LOL)? So sorry to hear about your m/c, but fingers crossed for your retest
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Hi posey sorry I cant help with morphology specifically. Is your DH taking vitamins? I know what you mean about pressure. My parents are absolutely desperate to be grandparents and I am there only hope (my sis cant have / doesnt want children). I am so sorry for all your losses. Good luck on 6th May
Regalpeas I think 8 million healthy sperm is good. Some people on here have had a BFP with 1 million on IUI. Can I ask why he was prescribed clomid? Is it normal for males to be prescribed this?
Hi Mel_35 hee hee yes I am Scotland how did you tell  sorry that you are also experiencing this. Glad you have been referred. Our next battle with our GP is to be referred. When is your appointment?
Regalpeas I think 8 million healthy sperm is good. Some people on here have had a BFP with 1 million on IUI. Can I ask why he was prescribed clomid? Is it normal for males to be prescribed this?
Hi Mel_35 hee hee yes I am Scotland how did you tell  sorry that you are also experiencing this. Glad you have been referred. Our next battle with our GP is to be referred. When is your appointment?
Hi ladies, I'm hoping I can hop on board as well. We just got my husbands sperm analysis back and are in the same situation 
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He had 4 million/ml
TotalProgressive: 3 million/ml
So I believe that is motality of 75%
Morphology: 28%
Volume 2L
He has a second analysis scheduled and we have an appointment with the urologist but not until the end of May I'm really hoping the next one comes back higher!
Have you ladies done anything as of yet? I'm getting him started on vitamins and eating healthier, no cell phone in pocket etc. Also got him off of his heartburn med.
If it gives any of us hope I did get pregnant in May on our first month of no bilrth control naturally. I thought we were super fertile...unfortunately not Unfortunately miscarried. So with very low counts there still is that small hope
.He had 4 million/ml
TotalProgressive: 3 million/ml
So I believe that is motality of 75%
Morphology: 28%
Volume 2L
He has a second analysis scheduled and we have an appointment with the urologist but not until the end of May
I'm really hoping the next one comes back higher!Have you ladies done anything as of yet? I'm getting him started on vitamins and eating healthier, no cell phone in pocket etc. Also got him off of his heartburn med.
If it gives any of us hope I did get pregnant in May on our first month of no bilrth control naturally. I thought we were super fertile...unfortunately not
Unfortunately miscarried. So with very low counts there still is that small hope 
