Still looking for our May Flowers...

A little worried I might have O'd early...my temp went up this morning and I had a tiny bit of ewcm. I didn't use the opks until yesterday and they are still negative. I guess I will wait and see what happens tomorrow with my temp and see if I get a + opk the next few days. What makes me mad is I told my hubby I might have O'd early and maybe we should squeeze a BD in before he left for work and he said my temp was probably up because it is warm in the house and then he left for work!

You did bd the day before, so you aren't completely out. Hopefully you can get another in tonight.

I know your husband is frustrating. Mine upset me so much when we weren't able to do anything the night of trigger. I was so sick & felt like total crap & I just thought I am going through all this (with the meds) & you can't do the one thing I need you to do!!! In your husband's case, maybe he is just exhausted. The process can be exhausting.
 
So, I think I've seen a few girls mentioning the costs of the RE/FS, especially IVF. I keep forgetting to chime in on that conversation. That topic leads to another reason we're considering IVF sooner rather than later. So, here's how my insurance works... it covers fertility at 90%, and I pay 10%. BUT, there's a lifetime max of $15k that they'll pay w/ my current insurance. With every u/s, bloodwork, IUI, and meds, its slowly eating away at my $15k. Now, the good news is, that my insurance has contracted rates with my clinic. So for example... if an IUI procedure costs $450, my insurance has a contracted rate of around $225 that they pay (and then i pay 10% of that). The contracted rates help, because it doesn't eat into my funds quite as fast; however, after several IUIs, the scans, the bloodwork, the meds, etc. it will eventually add up, and will leave less left for IVF. When it comes to IVF, just guessing that IVF normally costs $15k, my insurance would have a contracted rate of around $7500. My portion would be $750. So although with those contracted rates, I can get more services than if I was paying full price, you still never know if the first IVF is going to take, and I'd want to go onto a second IVF. The second IVF is much cheaper, because they freeze whatever embryos are left, so the next IVF would only be $3k or so (again, contracted rate of around $1500). So we would technically still be able to do a second IVF. What I worry about, is if I keep doing the IUIs with all that goes along with it, I'm eating into that insurance maximum slowly but surely. So anyway, sorry to ramble, but that is another reason that it might make sense to go straight into IVF for us. There just seems to be a lot of things pointing to going that route now.

First off, Erin, I want you to know this rant is not against you. I think the deal you have is amazing & we would all be so lucky to be able to have this kind of insurance.

Having said that, this rant is directed towards the medical profession & insurance companies. Why is this company allowed a negotiated rate? If the dr can afford to do this, why can't they do this with everyone? It just makes me so angry to know so many people go through this. And a lot of people like me are lucky to have a means to pay for it but there are a lot of couples who don't & they are just stuck. Then people say adopt. Well to adopt a baby in this country is the same price as IVF & you have even fewer guaranties. Then if you decide to foster or adopt an older child, I think those are amazing people. I just can't do it. You have to worry about other family out there, any emotional issues these kids have, & any developmental issues. Most of them have been abused, abandoned, & neglected. So going back to insurance, I would love if my company would just meet me halfway. Everything I am doing right now would be covered by my insurance (minus copays) if I decided to do timed intercourse instead of IUI. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If I decided to go through all this & do timed, my chance of success is much lower & it would end up costing the insurance company way more money. But I am sure there are women out there doing this because of no other choice. I know this is a specialized area of medicine...but seriously...the bickering & negotiations that go on between insurance & medical makes me sick. Why don't you just charge a decent rate & then insurance cover a decent amount? I don't even want to think about how much money the doctors go home with. It's not that I don't think these people deserve an amazing salary...they have put in a lot of school & hard work to get where they are...but I work with these people...I see their financial statements & I see their bottom lines...& then I see them complain because insurance or medicare is not paying them. I would love their salary for just 1 year! I will also admit, I am no expert on this stuff. I am just looking at it like a regular person...seems to me, we are getting screwed.

Sorry...rant over...

My husband on the way home from the last IUI was so excited. He said why didn't we do this when we first started...I regret not doing it. I said I have no regrets. When we first got married, no way we could afford more than 1 IUI without feeling completely overwhelmed. We have worked hard the past 10 years. We are in a great place now. We live a very comfortable life. When we bring a child in to the world, we will be sacrificing going out to eat or vacations...not food or gas or electricity. The sacrifices we will make will be so much less invasive. If we had gone this path long ago, we would have credit card debt hanging over us for years. That would have caused fights & unhappiness. I love how my life is right now. And it is the perfect time to bring a child in to our lives.
 
You did bd the day before, so you aren't completely out. Hopefully you can get another in tonight.

I know your husband is frustrating. Mine upset me so much when we weren't able to do anything the night of trigger. I was so sick & felt like total crap & I just thought I am going through all this (with the meds) & you can't do the one thing I need you to do!!! In your husband's case, maybe he is just exhausted. The process can be exhausting.

Thanks Beaglemom, I was upset this morning but I know my hubby is exhausted. He has terrible allergies and it is always worse in the spring. He hasn't been sleeping well and honestly it is hard to fit in BDing before he goes to work since he likes to get there early. Then I also feel bad because I start to think..."who cares" since I know I will probably have a short LP anyways. Still not positive I even ovulated yet so we will definitely BD tonight.
 
Erin, I just looked & saw your temp went back up :happydance: I am no expert in the charts, but hopefully you are still in the game. Have you done any testing?
 
First off, Erin, I want you to know this rant is not against you. I think the deal you have is amazing & we would all be so lucky to be able to have this kind of insurance.

Having said that, this rant is directed towards the medical profession & insurance companies. Why is this company allowed a negotiated rate? If the dr can afford to do this, why can't they do this with everyone? It just makes me so angry to know so many people go through this. And a lot of people like me are lucky to have a means to pay for it but there are a lot of couples who don't & they are just stuck. Then people say adopt. Well to adopt a baby in this country is the same price as IVF & you have even fewer guaranties. Then if you decide to foster or adopt an older child, I think those are amazing people. I just can't do it. You have to worry about other family out there, any emotional issues these kids have, & any developmental issues. Most of them have been abused, abandoned, & neglected. So going back to insurance, I would love if my company would just meet me halfway. Everything I am doing right now would be covered by my insurance (minus copays) if I decided to do timed intercourse instead of IUI. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If I decided to go through all this & do timed, my chance of success is much lower & it would end up costing the insurance company way more money. But I am sure there are women out there doing this because of no other choice. I know this is a specialized area of medicine...but seriously...the bickering & negotiations that go on between insurance & medical makes me sick. Why don't you just charge a decent rate & then insurance cover a decent amount? I don't even want to think about how much money the doctors go home with. It's not that I don't think these people deserve an amazing salary...they have put in a lot of school & hard work to get where they are...but I work with these people...I see their financial statements & I see their bottom lines...& then I see them complain because insurance or medicare is not paying them. I would love their salary for just 1 year! I will also admit, I am no expert on this stuff. I am just looking at it like a regular person...seems to me, we are getting screwed.

Sorry...rant over...

My husband on the way home from the last IUI was so excited. He said why didn't we do this when we first started...I regret not doing it. I said I have no regrets. When we first got married, no way we could afford more than 1 IUI without feeling completely overwhelmed. We have worked hard the past 10 years. We are in a great place now. We live a very comfortable life. When we bring a child in to the world, we will be sacrificing going out to eat or vacations...not food or gas or electricity. The sacrifices we will make will be so much less invasive. If we had gone this path long ago, we would have credit card debt hanging over us for years. That would have caused fights & unhappiness. I love how my life is right now. And it is the perfect time to bring a child in to our lives.

Beaglemom, I totally agree with you on insurance costs/copays/etc. It is insane the amount of money I pay for some of my GI appointments/meds/procedures. My hubby had to take over payment because I would flip out each time I got a bill. Seriously a 15 minute appointment with a GI specialist is over $250! Luckily my insurance covers 99% of most of those appointments. But blood labs, etc all cost a few hundred dollars each time...which again insurance covers most of it. I never saw how much my colonoscopy cost but I cancelled my MRI because it was going to cost me $800! Honestly I didn't agree with why the GI was doing an MRI and that was more of the reason to cancel it since it was going to be so expensive. Now to add some positives to this rant...I am very fortunate to have insurance. I have one of the best plans and my hubbys work pays for our insurance. Of course the plan isn't the best for infertility. Also, like beaglemom, we are very lucky to have the means to pay for some infertility testing/procedures. My hubby works extremely hard and we have been able to put money away for the last 10 years. I am lucky too, I am able to run my own business from home and able to choose my own hours, which will let me be able to be a stay at home mom. I don't mind spending the money on procedures or meds - but I would rather save my cash and spend it on cute onesies, toys or put it away for college for my babies!

Adoption/IVF is expensive - our friends went through IVF where they had to take eggs/semen from both and mix together then try to implant, it cost them $25,000 and they did not get pregnant. They both have amazing jobs and make over $250,000 a year and still haven't done anymore procedures because of the expense...along with the emotions of it not working for them.

Why is it that the woman that want to be mothers the most, can't get pregnant? But all these other woman are complaining about the "oops" they are carrying! Makes me so mad.

Okay rant over or my post will be pages long. We all deserve to be mothers and I can't wait to see each one of us post our sticky BFPs!
 
Erin, I just looked & saw your temp went back up :happydance: I am no expert in the charts, but hopefully you are still in the game. Have you done any testing?

Erin's temp looks good, hoping that means yesterday was implantation!! Fx'd for a BFP! :happydance:
 
Yes...I want to clarify (if it wasn't clear) I am fortunate to have any health insurance & there are def people in worse situations. I just think overall there is such a broad spectrum when it comes to the medical profession. Either you have insurance but not for what you really need or no insurance at all & any sort of accident or condition could leave you bankrupt. I also have a friend whose boyfriend had an accident with no insurance. The hospital agreed to cut the bill by 50%!!! When I had my HSG, they gave me a 60% cut for paying out of pocket. I mean, if you don't need the other 40%, why charge it? They charge it because they can & insurance will cover it. The only reason I paid out of pocket was because it would not be covered at all until I met the $400 deductible. This was later last year & I knew I was not going to be having any other medical procedures that year. So it was pay $250 (roughly) now or go through insurance & pay the $400 deductible.
 
Now for an actual TTC update. I woke up at 2 am & could not go back to sleep...it was AWFUL! I went to sleep between 8:30-9:00. I have been tired a lot lately...I took a nap on Sunday which is odd for me. I have had dull cramps for a few days. When I woke up this morning I had some cramping...not painful...& then I almost wanted to cry for no reason. I wish I could look at these as symtpoms, but being on the progesterone, I cannot really read in to anything. It can cause prego symptoms. I also seem to have the creamy cm...but again, the suppositories. Anyone else who has taken them can tell me their experience as far as discharge? I only take mine at night. So I expect to have to wipe more when I first wake up. I never really have to later in the day, but I do have the cm.

The week is just dragging by. And my banker is out today which leaves me with less to do. So let the boredom begin. I am going to try to do some file organization today.
 
beaglemom - I had more than normal creamy CM between 2 to 5 DPO. The discharge from the suppositories is waxy so it's easy to tell them apart. I also had a little bit of EWCM yesterday which came out of nowhere. Aside from that, temp went down a little bit but I'm not concerned.
 
Beaglemom, that is insane that they can cut the bill by 50%...but thankfully it saved you and your friend a bundle. It is just crazy what they could make you pay. We are also fortunate that my MIL works for a family Doctor...he doesn't charge us a dime and usually saves us samples, etc. When I go to my GI or other appointments I have to remember to pay my copay! I switched all of my doctors over to the one hospital so my records would be together but my MILs office works out of a different hospital...no way will I cancel free appointments or meds though!

I know my RE has some sort of program to help pay for tests/procedures but I know my hubby makes too much for us to qualify. I am just hoping I get a nice surprise at the end of this cycle and I won't have to see the RE...wishful thinking...
 
Beaglemom, are you using something different then the P cream?
 
Okay...happy dance for me...:happydance:

I just called the RE office and they had a cancellation, so my appointment is moved up to Tuesday, May 27th!! Of course they asked if I could come in today, in an hour but there is no way my hubby could get out of work and we could make it there by 11. Still I am glad that my appointment got moved up by a week...I will keep checking in for more cancellations!
 
Floridasian...very exciting about your temps/chart. I think my discharge after my am bathroom break is not waxy at all. This morning there was a discharge that seemed creamy & white but I could tell it was clearly the P med. The rest of the day seems to have the ew type consistancy. I don't know...I am not good at that stuff unless it is the pre-O stuff...I guess I could investigate, but I just never do...only look at the tp.

Savvy, I am using the P suppositories prescribed by my dr. I think it is just standard to give that to the patients for their TWW. I think it is 50 mg & I insert it at night. So it is dissolving & absorbing through the night. So usually first thing, I have to wipe more than once.

I am so excited your appt has been moved up. I would be SO TEMPTED to go in for the appt today, but I def understand wanting your husband there with you. If you do not get a surprise this month, I hope at least your cycle is a little long & maybe they can put you on clomid/femara or do an u/s. But even if you miss those days, you are in the prime time line for the HSG & an SA.
 
Floridasian, I was just looking at your chart. You & I started our cycles the same day. So except that I had an earlier O because of the meds/trigger, we are in sync :)
 
Okay...happy dance for me...:happydance:

I just called the RE office and they had a cancellation, so my appointment is moved up to Tuesday, May 27th!! Of course they asked if I could come in today, in an hour but there is no way my hubby could get out of work and we could make it there by 11. Still I am glad that my appointment got moved up by a week...I will keep checking in for more cancellations!

Yay!! That is awesome!!
 
Floridasian, I was just looking at your chart. You & I started our cycles the same day. So except that I had an earlier O because of the meds/trigger, we are in sync :)

Yep! I know! Can't wait to be bump buddies with you!! :)
 
Savvy, I am using the P suppositories prescribed by my dr. I think it is just standard to give that to the patients for their TWW. I think it is 50 mg & I insert it at night. So it is dissolving & absorbing through the night. So usually first thing, I have to wipe more than once.

I am so excited your appt has been moved up. I would be SO TEMPTED to go in for the appt today, but I def understand wanting your husband there with you. If you do not get a surprise this month, I hope at least your cycle is a little long & maybe they can put you on clomid/femara or do an u/s. But even if you miss those days, you are in the prime time line for the HSG & an SA.

Beaglemom, thanks for explaining the P suppositories, I definitely think I need more P!

Believe me...I was very tempted to go alone to the appointment but I also have to meet a client today at noon...I am sure I could have cancelled but I figured since I knew my hubby couldn't go and I had plans that it wouldn't be right to take that appointment. My appointment on the 27th is still with the female RE I wanted to see and looking at my chart if I didn't O yet (fx'd) then I would probably be starting a new cycle a few days before my appointment. If I did O today and if I had the short 9 day LP then I would most likely be on CD6 at my appointment. Time to load up on B6 and P in hopes of a longer LP! :)
 
savvy, that is great news about the appt, woohoo!!! I'm so happy to hear that! I would've been SO tempted to take today's appt, LOL. In fact, I went to my consult without my DH anyway. When I scheduled it, we had decided to play it by ear whether he'd go or not since his business has picked up a lot, its harder and harder for him to get off work. He ended up having to get into work at 7:30am (and has over an hour commute), so I told him to skip the appt.... I can explain things to doctors better than he can anyway, LOL. And he'd already had his SA and everything, so there wasn't really anything they'd need him for. But I can completely understand you wanting him to be with you since this is really the first major step you guys are taking toward fertility stuff.

Yes, beaglemom, I was super happy with my temperature this morning! I thought for sure it would be in that low range again, or even drop below the CL. It would be a super short cycle for me if AF came right now, so that would be unusual. But usually when I see it make that drop for two days, its usually the end. I wish it would just mean I'm a late implanter and that the HCG won't show up for two days after. Then maybe I could actually wake up to a BFP tomorrow. Wishful thinking, but I can't rule it out yet.

And I totally understand your rant about insurance! It is a good plan, and I feel very fortunate to have it. But trust me, I have thought the SAME thing as you before... if doctors can afford to charge insurance companies between 50-60% of what they charge patients, then why not just charge that for the services to begin with, so that people without insurance can more easily afford them. That has always irritated me so badly. When I was younger, I'd see people go into the ER for an accident or appendix or something, and the hospital did the same as the one you mentioned... they agreed to cut their bill in half, sometimes more! The medical system is certainly F'd up, that's for sure. Someone needs to get control of these doctors and pharmaceutical companies (you've seen the regular prices they charge for drugs I'm sure!). It really is out of control.
 

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