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[LLbean]

Milty what a nightmare but at least you know you were no hallucinating with your lines. It will be this cycle then because indeed it seems that many are much more fertile after a MC

 

[crystal443]

It will be this cycle Milty I got pregnant back to back to back, your definately more fertile after a mc

Same for you Liz, you had lines last cycle so your more fertile as well this time

 

[crystal443]

Milty are you talking about your antrafollicle count?

 

[Milty]

Honestly I don't know what that word is ...I've noticed my docs and techs always use different terms than what we have here. A lot of the time I will say oh you mean blah blah blah and they are yes of course.

I think your asking if those are old or new folicals. They are new a 9 and a 10 in size. One if the reasons I knew my body had long since moved on.

 

[readyformore]

Ready- I was told the exact same thing by the very first FS we went to see he said if there is a blockage in the tubes it can usually be flushed out during the HSG. It can just be a bit of debris that gets in them and they need to be flushed. He said sometimes that's all that's needed is a good flush

I think your gyne can sometimes be a bit harsh with you tbh..I know we all need to keep it real when it comes to getting pregnant but every FS I've had has always said they're numbers are based on educated guesses as to how previous women do in cycles of IVF,IUI etc. at the end of the day they still don't know enough about our reproduction to give a definate answer.

I just think its a bit wrong to totally deflate you like that, do you think it was partly because she didn't guess or it may have been blocked for awhile and you've had all those IUI's and could have been something so simple? That would be a bit embarrassing for a doctor I would think, I would go with what the doctor administering the test has said

These are actually 2 separate doctors I'm referring to. 3 if you include the doc that did the HSG.

My primary ob/gyn that does my annual is very optimistic about my fertility. She's the one that said my tube probably wasn't blocked.

My RE is the one that ran the femara/IUI cycles. She initially was very optimistic. I straight out asked her what my chances of conceiving were. She said after 2 years, it's 5%.

Another doc in the ob/gyn group performed the HSG, simply because I know them so well that I am comfortable with all of them and frankly, our schedules just worked out.

As to the HSG not having been done before, I can't really blame anyone or be upset.
In the summer of 2011 I called my primary ob/gyn and told her I would be seeing my RE and asked if I should have an HSG done prior to seeing her just to get it out of the way. She told me that she didn't want to anticipate what my doc would want and I should just ask her. I was honestly fine with that and it made sense. Let's let the RE make infertility decisions.

When I initially saw my RE she said, "We'll do 3-4 rounds of IUI and then an SIS if you're not pregnant. If your tube comes back blocked we will kick ourselves but I'm sure it will be fine." Neither of us knew that it would take over 10 months for me to do 4 IUIs, so time just crept on. When she did the SIS this July she thought maybe there was something going on there with the tube, and she gave me my options. But I needed a few months to think about doing it. I was just done with fertility testing at that point.


I honestly think that everyone was blinded by the fact that I had a 2 year old. I had her when I was 31 and started to ttc again at 33. I'm assuming they all thought that not much changes between 31 and 33 so they didn't push it.

And even I thought it was probably the same thing that I had already been through.

So, I'm not upset or let down by anyone. I think we all made the best choices we could with the information that we had. Time will tell I guess and I'll either get pregnant or I won't.

 

[readyformore]

Milty.
How frustrating.

Things keep getting started for you and then stalling. How disappointing.

I usually have a 3 day AF, and only moderate bleeding for 1 day, the others are light. Do you usually have a longer AF? I wouldn't necessarily be worried about a 3 day flow. Maybe it's just a fluke for you.

How are you holding up? I think I would be heartbroken. Have you considered not testing until you're a week late or so? It seems like you get AF within a couple of days of when you are expecting her. If you're on progesterone then you've really covered your bases anyway. Docs can't do much aside from throw numbers at you.
Just my two cents and you can disregard it.

 

[Bonnie1990]

Wow Milty-I never even considered the possibility of an ectopic but it makes sense. A friend went through that in June or July but hers did not resolve in its own but was caught before it caused damage but was very painful. Emotional and physically. She also had the slow rise hcg and af. Now I am happy to say she is 11 weeks along! You will get there. Things are on the right track.

 

[CaliDreaming]

ready4more, gosh that is truly aggravating about your hsg results. I've read that HSGs can't definitively diagnose a blockage and that only a lap can do that, so I really don't understand why docs treat their interpretations of an HSG as the gospel truth. If I had to bet I would say that your tube is not blocked and it was just mucus that was cleared out. It seems that where there is no hydrosalpinx, pain or unusual symptoms that the tubes are usually okay. I'm not a doctor but they are so often wrong on HSGs that they might not know any more than we do. I know if Clomid doesn't work for me, I am going to ask for one just so I can know for sure what is going on with my tubes since I know we're not doing IVF.

I thought about dh getting a vasectomy too if I'm not successful and I'm ready to move on. The way I see it, as long as I have AF, there is still a chance and I don't want to be secretly clinging to hope every month until menopause. I'm not sure if I'd ever be completely ready to give up though.

Milty, you have been through so much this cycle. It's so stressful when you don't know exactly what is going on. Hopefully you are more fertile next cycle, and maybe experience will at least give you some clue about what is going on.

Crystal, my AF usually only lasts 2 days, although sometimes it lasts 3. I've even had weird cycles where it's lasted a day on cycles where I had all the signs of ovulation. My OB/Gyn didn't think anything of it and just said that lots of weird things can happen to your cycle when TTC.

AFM: My ovulation date was delayed by four days this cycle. In a year of trying, my O date has never been this late. The only thing different was the HSG. I'm pretty sure it wasn't because of stress, because I have had a lot of intensely stressful moments over this past year and it hasn't affected my ovulation. I know that the HSG should not affect anything, but I've read a lot of other women say that their O dates were delayed after HSGs too. Weird.

I had a bad dream last night too. A friend of mine from college is 6 months pregnant with a surprise BFP after dealing with a long chronic illness. She already has a nine year. I never see this friend anymore except on facebook, but I dreamt she paid me a surprise visit last night and she was hugely pregnant. In my dream I was trying to ignore her belly because I was so jealous, but she kept pointing at it and rubbing it. I woke up and felt terrible. It's like I can't even get away from these feelings in my sleep!

 

[Milty]

Well I am heartbroken and scared to death as I'm really worried as to what's really wrong with me. I feel more hurt over this one even though they were both early this one was just harder. One of the reasons was I was actually 5 days late which has never happened. Also this one was painfully and I guess made it more real.

I'm scared because it just seems like my body totally ignores a pregnancy and goes about it's cycle. Yes this time I was late but I got AF when my HCG was climbing.

I used to not test very often infact before 2 years ago I think I only tested one time. I say that because I'm afraid I've been getting pg and then just going on with my cycle. Last fall I started to go into overdrive trying to get pg. I started new supplements and was changed my mindset to try anything even though I'm supposed to be ok. Well I think I had a Chem last Oct. I'll give the whole story later when I'm not at work.

Anyway I guess what I'm trying to say if I don't test I wont know I'm actually getting pg. I think my body just restarts a cycle no matter what. That scares me because I've never heard of it and have no idea if anything could even be done.


Sorry for rambling

 

[Milty]

Oh Cali I hate dreams like that. I even feel annoyed with the person even though they didn't do anything in real life.

Ready: I still say go with the Doc who performed it. Your OBGYN was not there and didn't see what your doc did.

 

[peacebaby]

Milty just popping in to give you big squashy Slow rising HCG is usually a sign of an ectopic. I'm so sorry but just really glad that it resolved itself without the need for intervention. There are many reasons why ectopics and exploring those may provide you with more concrete answers. It sounds like you're conceiving but implantation isn't going well. Please please try to see an FS or RE. Look after you

 

[readyformore]

Anyway I guess what I'm trying to say if I don't test I wont know I'm actually getting pg.

That's kind of what I was getting at.

Are you going to see an RE again? I know that you have in the past right?

 

[readyformore]

ready4more, gosh that is truly aggravating about your hsg results. I've read that HSGs can't definitively diagnose a blockage and that only a lap can do that, so I really don't understand why docs treat their interpretations of an HSG as the gospel truth. If I had to bet I would say that your tube is not blocked and it was just mucus that was cleared out. It seems that where there is no hydrosalpinx, pain or unusual symptoms that the tubes are usually okay. I'm not a doctor but they are so often wrong on HSGs that they might not know any more than we do. I know if Clomid doesn't work for me, I am going to ask for one just so I can know for sure what is going on with my tubes since I know we're not doing IVF.

I thought about dh getting a vasectomy too if I'm not successful and I'm ready to move on. The way I see it, as long as I have AF, there is still a chance and I don't want to be secretly clinging to hope every month until menopause. I'm not sure if I'd ever be completely ready to give up though.

Yep that's the thing about medicine, especially infertility. Unless it's something super obvious like azoospermia, everyone is just guessing. I've heard lots of "I think" or "maybe." During the SIS my RE said, "I see fluid but no bubbles. Maybe your infertility has something to do with your tube. Or, it could just be having a spasm." I asked the doc that did the HSG what could have been blocking my tube and she said, "I don't know. Maybe mucous." I asked her why the SIS didn't clear it and she said, "Maybe you were having a spasm."
So really nobody knows, and having gone through primary unexplained infertility before, that's exactly why I was reluctant to do the HSG. Chasing the unexplained can be a fruitless search and make you feel like a dog chasing it's tail.

You and I are pretty close to being on the same page.
We aren't interested in IVF either and I don't want eternal hope so a vasectomy will happen for us at some point. I have talked about it a lot. I've even gotten a script for the pill as a transition to stop ttc permanently. I've just never done anything about it yet. I had planned on stopping ttc the beginning of summer 2013. But now I wonder if I need to give this a fair shot since my tube is flushed out. I'm just not sure how long a fair shot is. Maybe I'm back to cycle #1, but emotionally I've already done 30 and I'm just tired of it; but can't seem to stop.

I hate those pregnancy dreams. It's like being stalked even in our sleep. I had a dream a little while ago that my husband got someone else pregnant!

 

[Milty]

I remember that dream Ready and I think like me you gave DH heck the next day....

Yeah I will probably see an RE or FS. I had thought I would call my old one that I liked. You are right I have seen 3 total 2 in state 1 out of state but it's been years ago. I want to say 12 years ago maybe. I had a million test done back then and was considering IVF. I was still young though and IFV was still newer so I decided to quit TTC and revisit IVF when I was 30.

Since my DS all my test my OBGYN has done for me. She has consulted on a couple occasions with my old FS but I havnt seen him.

 

[readyformore]

Milty, what are you interested in pursuing now? Would you do meds, IUI, IVF, testing?

 

[Milty]

Well I've had almost all the testing you could have done twice or more. I've really been interested in IUI for awhile but my Folicle counts had been to high. I was told they would cancel if I had to high a count and I knew I would without trying.

However, my follicles are at all time lows thanks to Progestrone . So I'm thinking this is what I will ask the FS for. I would like to just find out what's broken really.

I big problem is I don't want just one more. So if I could find what's wrong I feel I'm young enough I could still have several more kids. Of course I can adopt some as well.

I just feel my family is so small even though I love them to bits. It just becomes more apparent every year.

 

[H0pefulagain]

Milty

It will happen. Just keep banging on that brick wall till you find or make a hole.

 

[More4mom]

Just sending big hugs to everyone!!

and flowers!!!

It's Monday!

 

[Jax41]

ready, just wanted to say thank you for the on my thread, I know you don't venture far from this one so it means a lot

 

[Milty]

Jax I really want you to get that BFP