Traditional weaning V BLW

[JayleighAnn]

A dace? lmaoo ohh the bingo wings a flappin in the wind! yum yum! Holly get it out ha haaa

 

[polo_princess]

Thats what i actually look like now you know, all my other pics were photoshopped

 

[JayleighAnn]

OMG LOL I knew your yummy mummyness wasn't real! There is a god!

 

[saraendepity]

OMG

 

[JayleighAnn]

holly give us a

 

[Lisa1302]

Unfortunately some problems do stem from TW even if its done properly...food phobias are statistcally related to texture and the experinces of being spoon fed.
and issues with food such as over eating and not being able to self regulate does also statistically stem from TW. i know food phobias aren't that common and there r probably more people who turn out to have a perfectly healthy relationship with food that where TW than not, so like i've said before i don't think theres anything wrong with TW. at the end of the day it achieves similar outcomes to BLW...LOs learn how to feed themselves, that food fulfills hunger and they end up making the transition from milk to solids but studies do show there r 'issues' steming from TW that don't happen with BLW...TW is a bit of an outdated practice...its very similar to the example someone gave abt BF on a schedual (the old fashioned way) and BF on demard (the more modern approach). problems were caused by the old fashion way so a new approach came abt to combate those...altho people do still use the oldfashioned method and have great success with that!

the fact TW is slightly outdated is y so many people adapt it. Like u said u haven't dropped milk feeds...but if u TW 'correctly' u should have. the completely 'by the book' 'correct' way to TW can create some 'issue' because it is very regimented. i don't think a lot of people do follow TW by the book tho and most do adapt it to suit their children so they don't need to 'force' anything on them but the basis for the method is 'making' babies eat...putting food in their mouth and being compeletly in control of how much and when etc.

i know that with TW u can still listen to ur child on when they r full/don't like something etc but unless ur magic u wont b able to tell for sure...it is a bit silly to claim its exactly the same as BLW in terms of how much control ur LO has...u can't tell for sure how full ur LO is or isn't, or how much/what ur LO needs...thats y there r so many post on this forum abt how feeding rotuines and how much LO is eating at what stage etc...and that is y BLW came abt. with TW u have to 'guess' somewhat which can lead to 'issues'.

i don't think u should b offended by that or pretend thats not the case. its one of the cons to TW but then there r also pros (which i'm sure r the reasons people opt to TW obviously)

there r pros and cons to BLW too...it just so happens that some of the pros have come from learning from the TW meathod and improving on elements of it...thats just modernisation, its not a dig.... its nothing to get upset over

I'm a a bit confused as to this method you are referring to to be quite honest, it doesnt sound like the TW that is generally practised these days - as in the weaning technique suggested by the NHS.

Correct me if I am wrong..but the technique we all all referring to as TW is that suggested by the NHS and written its birth to 5 book...if not please let me know what book you have read which includes dropping milk, force feeding etc.

I have read the Birth to 5 NHS book , as well as books by Authors who also go down this route, for one the NHS book clearly states do not force feed, and gives all the clear signs to stop. If a parent ignores this as I have said before this their mistake, they are not told to do it.
It also states to feed your LO what ever BM or Formula it requires until the age of 1 year. (i had read that it was part of TW to drop milk so many times on this forum that I began to think it was...but it isn't!)

 

[purple_socks]

to b honest lisa i'm kinda bored of this debate now.

ur being a bit pedantic...i think ur just looking 4 things to argue abt, which is a shame because the thread had just started cheering up and i was hoping more people would answer my question abt still doing purees over 6 months (coz i really am interested to know) rather than getting scared off by a never ending debate

TW has its faults...theres no need to pretend it doesn't....thats y some people opt for an alternative or adapt the methods etc...i don't really understand ur issues? BLW also has faults too! As has been pointed out many times- TW works fine and lots of people get lots of success out of it and others do not.

going back to the start of all this...People purely listed their reasons for BLW and have since defended those reasons because u implied they were wrong...it is all getting rather over the top IMO. i think it could probably just left now don't u? its dragging on.

to sum up...we all have to weigh up the pros and cons of eacfh method and choose what works best 4 us!

End of x

back to joking abt avators yeah?

 

[Lisa1302]

to b honest lisa i'm kinda bored of this debate now.

ur being a bit pedantic...i think ur just looking 4 things to argue abt, which is a shame because the thread had just started cheering up and i was hoping more people would answer my question abt still doing purees over 6 months (coz i really am interested to know) rather than getting scared off by a never ending debate

TW has its faults...theres no need to pretend it doesn't....thats y some people opt for an alternative or adapt the methods etc...i don't really understand ur issues? BLW also has faults too! As has been pointed out many times- TW works fine and lots of people get lots of success out of it and others do not.

going back to the start of all this...People purely listed their reasons for BLW and have since defended those reasons because u implied they were wrong...it is all getting rather over the top IMO. i think it could probably just left now don't u? its dragging on.

to sum up...we all have to weigh up the pros and cons of eacfh method and choose what works best 4 us!

End of x

back to joking abt avators yeah?

Pedantic? How can a discussion be conducted when some people do not appear to understand one side of the discussion - my question is genuine - how can you comment if you cant confirm why you are saying it?
All I wondered was where you had read about the things you were commenting on, as it would appear not to be the NHS weaning suggestions. If you are referring to some other method, oppose to what woman in the UK are presented with when they have a baby (the birth to 5 book), then it maybe isn't TW you are talking about, or at least not TW as it is suggested now?

As for ''People purely listed their reasons for BLW and have since defended those reasons because u implied they were wrong.''
I have NEVER implied someone is wrong for BLW - seeing as I think it is an equally good way to wean and I have never said the contrary to that, I have no idea why you have said I implied they were wrong?!

 

[lollylou1]

i did traditional weaning with Annabelle, i did try BLW but she just didnt grasp the picking the food up until she was about 9 months, since then she has whatever we have and i let her please herself! i will help her with the last bits on her plate or bowl but i dont feed her all of it but im not favouring either way to be honest it was just what worked for us and i will give future children the option if they are keen to do it themselves BLW it will be if not we will do traditional again until they are ready

Lou
xxx

 

[indy and lara]

to b honest lisa i'm kinda bored of this debate now.

ur being a bit pedantic...i think ur just looking 4 things to argue abt, which is a shame because the thread had just started cheering up and i was hoping more people would answer my question abt still doing purees over 6 months (coz i really am interested to know) rather than getting scared off by a never ending debate

TW has its faults...theres no need to pretend it doesn't....thats y some people opt for an alternative or adapt the methods etc...i don't really understand ur issues? BLW also has faults too! As has been pointed out many times- TW works fine and lots of people get lots of success out of it and others do not.

going back to the start of all this...People purely listed their reasons for BLW and have since defended those reasons because u implied they were wrong...it is all getting rather over the top IMO. i think it could probably just left now don't u? its dragging on.

to sum up...we all have to weigh up the pros and cons of eacfh method and choose what works best 4 us!

End of x

back to joking abt avators yeah?

Pedantic? How can a discussion be conducted when some people do not appear to understand one side of the discussion - my question is genuine - how can you comment if you cant confirm why you are saying it?
All I wondered was where you had read about the things you were commenting on, as it would appear not to be the NHS weaning suggestions. If you are referring to some other method, oppose to what woman in the UK are presented with when they have a baby (the birth to 5 book), then it maybe isn't TW you are talking about, or at least not TW as it is suggested now?

As for ''People purely listed their reasons for BLW and have since defended those reasons because u implied they were wrong.''
I have NEVER implied someone is wrong for BLW - seeing as I think it is an equally good way to wean and I have never said the contrary to that, I have no idea why you have said I implied they were wrong?!

Oh for goodness sake, as Purple Socks says, it is time for this to end now. The OP asked a fine question and asked for opinions. I think that we have all had a chance to state our reasosn for trying one way or the other. Surely we all have had experience (whether on here or not) of people doing things in a way that we don't approve of, whether that is what the guidelines say or not.

I know that for us, along with many people who try BLW, I was attracted to the additional benefits that it may offer (eg, development of fine motor skills etc.) As a teacher who has spent time in nursery, I have seen first hand many children with faddy/ picky diets and those who are unable at 3 still to feed themselves. I hope that BLW will mean that Emma is a less picky eater as she grows older. Maybe it will, maybe she will just be picky anyway but this is the path we chose and we will follow it. It is not a competition about what is best (I was FF and TW and I am fine, ta. My daughter is BF and BLW. I haven't told my Dad that he and Mum let me down somehow) It is what suits the individual.

Lets get back to looking at avatars and having a laugh.

 

[Lisa1302]

to b honest lisa i'm kinda bored of this debate now.

ur being a bit pedantic...i think ur just looking 4 things to argue abt, which is a shame because the thread had just started cheering up and i was hoping more people would answer my question abt still doing purees over 6 months (coz i really am interested to know) rather than getting scared off by a never ending debate

TW has its faults...theres no need to pretend it doesn't....thats y some people opt for an alternative or adapt the methods etc...i don't really understand ur issues? BLW also has faults too! As has been pointed out many times- TW works fine and lots of people get lots of success out of it and others do not.

going back to the start of all this...People purely listed their reasons for BLW and have since defended those reasons because u implied they were wrong...it is all getting rather over the top IMO. i think it could probably just left now don't u? its dragging on.

to sum up...we all have to weigh up the pros and cons of eacfh method and choose what works best 4 us!

End of x

back to joking abt avators yeah?

Pedantic? How can a discussion be conducted when some people do not appear to understand one side of the discussion - my question is genuine - how can you comment if you cant confirm why you are saying it?
All I wondered was where you had read about the things you were commenting on, as it would appear not to be the NHS weaning suggestions. If you are referring to some other method, oppose to what woman in the UK are presented with when they have a baby (the birth to 5 book), then it maybe isn't TW you are talking about, or at least not TW as it is suggested now?

As for ''People purely listed their reasons for BLW and have since defended those reasons because u implied they were wrong.''
I have NEVER implied someone is wrong for BLW - seeing as I think it is an equally good way to wean and I have never said the contrary to that, I have no idea why you have said I implied they were wrong?!

Oh for goodness sake, as Purple Socks says, it is time for this to end now. The OP asked a fine question and asked for opinions. I think that we have all had a chance to state our reasosn for trying one way or the other. Surely we all have had experience (whether on here or not) of people doing things in a way that we don't approve of, whether that is what the guidelines say or not.

I know that for us, along with many people who try BLW, I was attracted to the additional benefits that it may offer (eg, development of fine motor skills etc.) As a teacher who has spent time in nursery, I have seen first hand many children with faddy/ picky diets and those who are unable at 3 still to feed themselves. I hope that BLW will mean that Emma is a less picky eater as she grows older. Maybe it will, maybe she will just be picky anyway but this is the path we chose and we will follow it. It is not a competition about what is best (I was FF and TW and I am fine, ta. My daughter is BF and BLW. I haven't told my Dad that he and Mum let me down somehow) It is what suits the individual.

Lets get back to looking at avatars and having a laugh.

this is stupid, you think its ok to go on talking OT, rather than have it clear what TW actually is?

Hang on but this is a forum and there was a discussion about 2 forms of weaning...some people are bringing things in to the discussion which do not relate to one method - I am asking why they are saying this?
If it was other way around and I was stating things which were not at all suggested by BLW - of course it would be brought up and I would be expect to explain why I am saying it.

People cant just write nonsense and claim that is what a method is like and think thats ok.

The question hasn't been answered because clearly the person doesn't actually know what they talking about -otherwise they would have told us where they had read about these things (the fact it used to be done like that doesn't matter - it is what is suggested now that is important)

 

[purple_socks]

OMG woman!

at this moment i can't really b bothered to get my 0-5 nhs book out but here u go...

...As they eat more solids, your baby will want less milk. You can start to drop a milk feed, but continue to breastfeed or give 500-600ml (a pint) of infant formula a day until at least 12 months of age.

thats from https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/babies-weaning/pages/Whattodo.aspx

maybe u should learn a little bit more abt 'actual' TW before u become its spokes person!!! don't claim that to TW 'correctly' doesn't involve certain practices when it clearly does (again just to clarify i'm not saying there is anything terrible abt those practices b4 u start on that) .

either way tho...as i have said b4...i'm quite sick of this pointless debate so i am going away from this thread now (which is sad because i was enjoying reading peoples reasons and experinces)

 

[Lisa1302]

OMG woman!

at this moment i can't really b bothered to get my 0-5 nhs book out but here u go...

...As they eat more solids, your baby will want less milk. You can start to drop a milk feed, but continue to breastfeed or give 500-600ml (a pint) of infant formula a day until at least 12 months of age.

thats from https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/babies-weaning/pages/Whattodo.aspx

maybe u should learn a little bit more abt 'actual' TW before u become its spokes person!!! don't claim that to TW 'correctly' doesn't involve certain practices when it clearly does (again just to clarify i'm not saying there is anything terrible abt those practices b4 u start on that) .

either way tho...as i have said b4...i'm quite sick of this pointless debate so i am going away from this thread now (which is sad because i was enjoying reading peoples reasons and experinces)

well maybe you read that differently to me - I read that as meaning what it says ''As they eat more solids, your baby will want less milk'' there fore the baby will want less milk, as they are eating more food (not drop a bottle so that it has to eat more food).
This is no different from BLW - if a BLW were eating plenty it would naturally drink less milk, it just happens that BLW babies often are not eating as much for a few months so have more milk for longer, but once they are eating more they too will drop milk amounts.

I think the reason you are going away is that you have said some silly comments about how things used to be, and bundled them up with what people do these days, but you have no actual facts or way to say that's the way its suggested these days - because it doesnt exist.

 

[indy and lara]

this is stupid, you think its ok to go on talking OT, rather than have it clear what TW actually is?

Hang on but this is a forum and there was a discussion about 2 forms of weaning...some people are bringing things in to the discussion which do not relate to one method - I am asking why they are saying this?
If it was other way around and I was stating things which were not at all suggested by BLW - of course it would be brought up and I would be expect to explain why I am saying it.

People cant just write nonsense and claim that is what a method is like and think thats ok.

The question hasn't been answered because clearly the person doesn't actually know what they talking about -otherwise they would have told us where they had read about these things (the fact it used to be done like that doesn't matter - it is what is suggested now that is important)

Actually I do think it is fine when the alternative is to go round in circles, bickering and arguing or resorting to insulting people as happened last night.

I don't think that any of the posters were suggesting that there is a book about TW which says, step 1, force feed your child. People have stated that they have seen parents cajoling their children to eat the whole portion, etc and when you chose BLW you accept that the child will eat when hungry and stop when not. Now, of course there are MANY people who don't encourage their children to keep eating and some who do.

I think that people have explained why they have certain feelings about one method of weaning or the other and just because you do not like or agree with their opinion/ impressions does not mean that they have to keep explaining them over and over.

 

[indy and lara]

OMG woman!

...As they eat more solids, your baby will want less milk. You can start to drop a milk feed, but continue to breastfeed or give 500-600ml (a pint) of infant formula a day until at least 12 months of age.

well maybe you read that differently to me - I read that as meaning what it says ''As they eat more solids, your baby will want less milk'' there fore the baby will want less milk, as they are eating more food (not drop a bottle so that it has to eat more food).
This is no different from BLW - if a BLW were eating plenty it would naturally drink less milk, it just happens that BLW babies often are not eating as much for a few months so have more milk for longer, but once they are eating more they too will drop milk amounts.


.

But maybe I am just getting this all wrong but here was me thinking the whole point of weaning was to move from all milk feeds to solids feeds. If Emma did not start to drop feeds then she just would not move on to eating more solid food. I cannot see what the problem is with that.

 

[Lisa1302]

this is stupid, you think its ok to go on talking OT, rather than have it clear what TW actually is?

Hang on but this is a forum and there was a discussion about 2 forms of weaning...some people are bringing things in to the discussion which do not relate to one method - I am asking why they are saying this?
If it was other way around and I was stating things which were not at all suggested by BLW - of course it would be brought up and I would be expect to explain why I am saying it.

People cant just write nonsense and claim that is what a method is like and think thats ok.

The question hasn't been answered because clearly the person doesn't actually know what they talking about -otherwise they would have told us where they had read about these things (the fact it used to be done like that doesn't matter - it is what is suggested now that is important)

Actually I do think it is fine when the alternative is to go round in circles, bickering and arguing or resorting to insulting people as happened last night.

I don't think that any of the posters were suggesting that there is a book about TW which says, step 1, force feed your child. People have stated that they have seen parents cajoling their children to eat the whole portion, etc and when you chose BLW you accept that the child will eat when hungry and stop when not. Now, of course there are MANY people who don't encourage their children to keep eating and some who do.

I think that people have explained why they have certain feelings about one method of weaning or the other and just because you do not like or agree with their opinion/ impressions does not mean that they have to keep explaining them over and over.

i haven't insulted anyone, I think both methods are equally good so why would I?

its nothing to do with what I have an opinion on, if a method is being misrepresented by someone then their comments are incorrect.

if people are allowed to throw outdated comments in to a discussion then of what use is it to anyone reading it?

 

[indy and lara]

I said that people were insulted last night, I never mentioned you. Not sure what the big problem is here but hey, i'm out too. This is going no-where and not what the OP asked in the first place.

 

[golcarlilly]

Only for a short length of time until the baby learns to use a spoon.

I know that it's come on from post WW2 but there is still a lot left over, such as eating all your food, babies being fed bland foods to start off their pallet.

Not true in my case, I have actively avoided baby rice as it tastes of absolutely nothing and have already in week two introduced lots of different flavours in order to stimulate Myles' palate

 

[golcarlilly]

just been reading further on and see my lovely thread which was started out of interest in other's methods of weaning has degenerated into a slanging match!!!

There should be some way for the OP to sensor inappropriate posts IMHO, sorry mods for starting this thread I can't believe we can't all just get along and appreciate that everyone has their own opinions instead of having a go!!

 

[JayleighAnn]

Only for a short length of time until the baby learns to use a spoon.

I know that it's come on from post WW2 but there is still a lot left over, such as eating all your food, babies being fed bland foods to start off their pallet.

Not true in my case, I have actively avoided baby rice as it tastes of absolutely nothing and have already in week two introduced lots of different flavours in order to stimulate Myles' palate

It's nice to be put right in a nice way hun, I didn't realised TW babies where encouraged to take their own spoons whilst still young, I always thought they where allowed to take over at like 12-18month+ and it's great to see that he's having a very varied diet!

I'm sorry your thread ended up a row