TTC After D&C/D&E Buddies

One of the first things my hubs said after we found out about the m/c was: There is no way you are going back on that implant. We're convinced it had something to do with the m/c. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.

My baby girl is awesome! She keeps me smiling and sane. Her daddy has a cold sore and couldn't kiss her good night tonight so we told her "daddy's sick" so she walked away from daddy to go to bed then quickly turned around, ran back to her daddy and gave him a big kiss on the cheek and told him to "feel better".

Today I saw a mom and dad in the mall, they had 4 children all close in age, like the same age seperation I wanted to have for my little girl and her next sibling... the couple were both on their phones and not even paying attention to their kids. Made me so jealous. I would give anything for my little girl to have a wonderful little sibling, close in age, to play with and to watch, to have that baby growing in my belly right now. And they weren't even paying their kids any mind. Ugh, made me upset..

I'll stop with stories about my daughter, btw, if it bothers anyone. And don't feel like you can't tell me to NOT mention her and things about her. I understand it can be painful for some to read at the moment...
 
Was this an implant that goes under the skin on your arm?

You can talk about your awesome little girl as much as you want as far as I'm concerned, but pregnants and babies don't usually bother me. BUT I totally understand how it may bother other people.

I had a countdown ticker when I was pregnant. It was the one that has all the fruits and veggies on it. That's how we referred to the pregnancy because we weren't going to tell anyone until after the genetic testing. My husband always writes me little notes, and at that time he would always say, "I love you and blueberry (or raspberry etc.)."


But I saw someone's signature referring to their m/c and it said, "We miss you blueberry." THAT brought me to my knees, and is making my cry a little right now. I don't know why that particular thing bothers me so much, because that's the only time I've cried about it…well now it’s been twice.
 
Was this an implant that goes under the skin on your arm?

You can talk about your awesome little girl as much as you want as far as I'm concerned, but pregnants and babies don't usually bother me. BUT I totally understand how it may bother other people.

I had a countdown ticker when I was pregnant. It was the one that has all the fruits and veggies on it. That's how we referred to the pregnancy because we weren't going to tell anyone until after the genetic testing. My husband always writes me little notes, and at that time he would always say, "I love you and blueberry (or raspberry etc.)."


But I saw someone's signature referring to their m/c and it said, "We miss you blueberry." THAT brought me to my knees, and is making my cry a little right now. I don't know why that particular thing bothers me so much, because that's the only time I've cried about it…well now it’s been twice.

Oh that's sad... sometimes it's the little sentimental things that hit you harder than other things. I cried over spilled pineapple juice the other day...
I cried because my final craving before I lost the baby was pineapple juice... stupid but yeah.

Talking about my little one gives me hope... I understand it may not do the same for others.

It was the implant in my arm... I hate taking pills of any kind... including the prenatals and I always forgot my bcp so I got the implant... mirena and iud's didn't really appeal to me at all, if something went awfully wrong with my form of birth control I'd rather my arm fall off than my vagina!

We'll see though, I really hated the implant while I was on it and now the m/c... I still hate taking pills, but I dunno... May have to revisit the idea of an IUD once it's time to get back on birth control.
 
Aunie, i'm really sorry to hear this is your third loss. Let's wait and see what the blood tests and genetic screening tests reveal and don't give up hope because they should be able to fix whatever is wrong. I have an 18mth old and when I was pregnant my Ob got me to do the genetic screening test to check if I was carrying anything such as cystic fibrosis that could be passed onto the child. Everything came up negative. He said if i had have got a positive at all, then my husband would be checked, and if we both had the cystic fibrosis gene, then the baby would have 25% or 50% (i can't remember which one) chance of having cystic fibrosis. This is just an example of one of the many gene diseases they can check for.

Not sure if you can buy it in the USA, but i bought a really good book by Lesley Regan, she's the miscarriage guru in London, and it just explains everything. She says 3 or more miscarriages is classed as recurrent miscarriage and she runs a special miscarriage clinic in London to assist women who've had 3 or more. Maybe there is something similar in your area?

There are a few infections that can cause miscarriage, listeria is one of them, from eating unpasturised dairy products, but apparently you have a fever and it's uncommon to pick it up i read. So my question that i'm going to ask my Ob today is, should i go and get tested for any infections that cause miscarriage. I've already had the genetic screening done when i was pregnant, the most expensive blood test i've ever had, i went to the counter to pay and they said 'that'll be £427 please' and i said 'i think you've got the wrong person, i just had a blood test', and she said 'yes, genetic screening blood tests are £427', i nearly fell over!!

Lesley Regan really does put it down to chromosomal abnormalities, and every single couple have the same risk when getting pregnant of the egg and sperm fusing and having a chromosomal ab.

Aunie, you or your husband won't have an extra chromosome, a chromosome abnormality occurs when the egg and sperm fuse and the genes replicate too many or too few chromosomes, everyone has 46 chromosomes, but mentally ********/handicap/downs syndrome etc have too many and that's why you often miscarry. With your 3rd loss in 2nd trimester, they will do extensive tests i'm sure, it could be a number of different reasons, but surely they'll get to the bottom of it and assist you so it wont happen again.

I got a BFN preg test today, I am so happy, finally, been doing a test every 3 days. Now i can start doing the ovulation sticks. I'm not going to wait a cycle, just going to see what happens.

I found this on one of the miscarriage support forums, very good information and it really does reiterate that you shouldn't blame yourself, it's just one of those things that's out of our control.

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There are very few miscarriage that can be prevented and more than often the woman blames herself or a situation for her loss. It is important to realise what are facts and what are myths. I found a very useful source www.pregnancyloss.info where all the below information is sourced from and put together for easy reading.

When a miscarriage is occurring, there is no magic way to stop it from happening. By the time you begin bleeding, the baby has almost always already died. This is a frustrating and terrible situation to be in, and when it happens to you, you will initially have no idea that it is so common. Before your research is done, though, you will find that one out of every 10 pregnancies ends in miscarriage, and that one in every four women will have one at some point in her reproductive years.

An important section to read if you are sure you could have prevented your miscarriage is the post on myths. There you will find the most common things women blame for their miscarriage, and why they are not a factor.


Causes

Most early miscarriages (as many as 60% of first trimester ones) will remain unexplained. It is usually assumed these losses are genetic, where the chromosomes simply did not replicate correctly. Many people will assume that something that happened recently, such as an illness, fall, or exposure to something will have caused the miscarriage. This is rarely true, since by the time a miscarriage is diagnosed or begins, the baby has been lost for quite some time. Hopefully this section will help you understand the causes; you should also read the section on myths.

There are several categories of miscarriage causes:

Hormones
Chromosome Defects
Physical Problem with the Uterus or Cervix
Immune Disorders
Premature Rupture of Membranes and Early Labor
Other
Unknown
Blighted Ovum, Ectopic Pregnancy, Molar Pregnancy, and Stillbirth

Hormones

When we talk about a hormone problem, you have likely miscarried in less than 10 weeks. After that, the placenta has taken over hormone production and any normal deficiency you have is not a factor. Low progesterone, the most common problem, is not as easy to treat as you might hope. Progesterone suppositories, while frequently prescribed, are not proven to be helpful and often actually cause a nonviable pregnancy to last longer than it should.

The only situation where progesterone is a sure solution is with a luteal phase defect, where the corpus luteum, which is formed along with egg at ovulation, does not produce the hormones needed to sustain a pregnancy. For most women, however, this is usually not an every-month problem. Usually the situation rights itself with the next egg and the next corpus luteum. This problem, if it is a permanent one, can be diagnosed through two separate endometrial biopsies. Progesterone must be started 48 hours after ovulation to work. By the time you have missed a period, it is too late to save a pregnancy with a luteal phase defect.5

Low progesterone, however, is usually a symptom of an nonviable pregnancy, and not the cause. Doctors often prescribe progesterone suppositories out of patient pressure when the hormone levels are low, but their use is controversial and usually completely ineffective. A common treatment for a suspected progesterone problem is Clomid, a pill taken for five days early in your cycle to rev up your hormone production. Not everyone is a candidate for Clomid, and 25% of women will have decreased cervical mucus, which can actually make you less fertile. See the Sperm Meets Egg Plan for more information.

Other hormone problems may be created when you have an untreated thyroid disorder. Your thyroid function can easily be tested, and this problem is very treatable.

Chromosome Defects

There are many factors that come in to play when the egg and sperm unite and form that first cell. Even if both the egg and sperm come with perfect chromosomes, the first few cell divisions can see an abnormality crop up that would certainly be devastating. Chromosome defects that cause a newly fertilized egg to die can account for as much as 60 percent of early miscarriages.

You can usually find out if you had a baby with a chromosome problem through testing tissue from the miscarriage. This must be done RIGHT AWAY when the tissue comes out or the cells cannot grow and the test won't work. If this is your first miscarriage, however, do not go to great lengths to save tissue. Very few doctors will test it, and a chromosomal cause for the miscarriage will be assumed without testing.

Even when you have a D&C and the doctor sends the tissue immediately, it still might not work. (Mine didn't.) But if you do find your baby had a chromosome defect, find a small measure of comfort in knowing that although you lost this one precious baby, the chances of if happening again are extremely small. If you are over 35, though, your odds will begin increasing dramatically.

After the 2nd trimester begins, the number of miscarriages caused by genetic factors drops to less than 10 percent.3 If you have had several miscarriages in a row, then your odds of this being your problem are quite low, about 7%.42 If you are over 35, though, your odds will begin increasing dramatically.

Physical Problem with the Uterus or Cervix

Some women have a uterus that does not have the usual shape. Others have a cervix that may be weakened by a number of causes, including multiple D&C procedures or their mother taking DES when she was pregnant. Both of these problems can cause an early labor, usually during a critical period from 12-24 weeks. This cause is responsible for 12 percent of miscarriages during this time period. As the baby grows, especially during the very rapid growth spurt during this time frame, the irregularly shaped uterus may not be able to expand or the weak cervix may start to open up and let the baby out. There are treatments for both of these that are quite effective—corrective surgery on the uterus and a cervical stitch that holds the cervix closed. This problem WILL REOCCUR if not treated.

A uterine abnormality often causes a miscarriage due to early labor, but it can also cause fetal demise, which is what happened to our Casey. Sixteen weeks into my pregnancy with Emily, we had an abnormal AFP screening. Since we were near the point of the pregnancy when Casey died, naturally we were frantic. We saw a perinatologist, who discovered I had a septate uterus. When I was a fetus, the two sections of tissue that normally fuse together to form the uterus only fused on the bottom. Therefore, there is a huge wall going down the middle of my uterus. When Casey implanted, he chose the middle wall. This section, however, has little blood flow. As Casey grew and required more and more blood and nutrition, this area could not support him. So he died. Although Emily chose a better implantation spot, this problem caused her to be breech and required a c-section. While I did have the surgery to correct this problem, my next pregnancy still had complications, and c-section will most likely be the only way to get my babies born.

Be aware that there are varying levels of septums. Some are paper-thin and simply move out of the way for the baby, causing no problems. Others, like mine, increase your chance of miscarriage significantly. Only a high-level sonogram or an HSG dye test can uncover this problem.

Immune Disorders

While many experienced and well respected reproductive endocrinologists specialize in this field now, many "regular" ob/gyn doctors are quite resistant to the idea of this type of miscarriage cause and its treatment. Specialists in immune disorders claim up to an 80% success rate with women who have had three or more miscarriages, but there is still much skepticism even among infertility and reproductive specialists.

Antiphospholipid antibodies can cause blood clots in the placenta that block or slow down the baby's blood supply, causing growth to slow or the baby to die altogether. Your blood can be tested for these antibodies. These tests are called anticardiolipins or the associated lupus anticoagulant. These are inexpensive tests, and sometimes you can get them after only one miscarriage. If antibody levels are thought to be high enough to affect the pregnancy, treatment involves baby aspirin and sometimes a blood thinner called Heparin. In rare cases, the woman is actually found to have Lupus, which may be mild enough not to affect her, but needs management anyway to protect her pregnancies (see antinuclear antibodies). While a miscarriage due to this problem can happen at any time, often the baby will grow past the first trimester. 10 to 15% of recurring miscarriages are caused by these antibodies.6

Antinuclear antibodies are caused by an auto-immune problem, in Lupus or a Lupus-like syndrome, where the body attacks itself. The treatment for this problem is Prednisone, a corticosteroid, which calms down the inflammatory process of auto-immune disease. Prednisone, however, is really a horrible drug and will cause all sorts of terrible side effects, including swelling, bruise marks on the face, and discomfort. You do not ask for this drug without really needing it.6

Fetal-Blocking Antibodies work to protect the baby from the mother's immune system, which will recognize the father's genetic material as foreign to her body and attack it. When the sperm penetrate the egg, it provides foreign material, but it also contains histocompatibility locus antigens (HLA). The sperm's HLA will "talk" to the mother's HLA, which would normally attack the baby, and stimulate the mother's body to protect the baby. In some cases, however, the father's genetic material is too similar to the mother's. In that case, the mother's response is weak and insufficient to prevent her white blood cells from attacking the new cells. Standard testing for this is not yet available, and you would have be accepted into one of the few elite clinics working in this field. If your tests show you and your partner's DNA to be too similar, you can receive injections of your partner's white blood cells, in hopes of getting enough of his HLA in your system to stimulate a stronger protective response. This is an expensive and controversial tactic, but allegedly (a word I use since there isn't solid 3rd party data to support it) succeeds 80% of the time.7, 42 This type of problem usually causes an early miscarriage, well before 12 weeks, and is often suspected when several miscarriages have occurred at the exact same time in the pregnancy

The average OB/Gyn may not be up to date on these immune issues. Read up on it yourself and find a specialist who can determine if this is a problem that might be affecting your babies. You are not usually a candidate for the more involved testing, which is expensive and not typically covered by insurance, until you have at least three losses.

Premature Rupture of Membranes and Early Labor

Many miscarriages begin with cramping and labor-like symptoms, but true PROM and Early Labor are usually associated with babies that are in the second or third trimester. Early labor can often be treated with drugs that relax the uterus and women are placed on bed rest either at home or in the hospital.

Sometimes, however, the baby comes anyway. This is one of the most traumatic of losses, technically a stillbirth and not a miscarriage after 20 weeks, because you will hold and see your baby and beg him or her to breathe. For some women, the baby will even be born alive, but only live for a few minutes, hours or days. There really is nothing harder in life than this.

PROM is defined as your water breaking prior to 37 weeks, the age that is considered full term. Most women who have leaking or gushing amniotic fluid will be placed on antibiotics and placed in the hospital because the risk of infection is very high. Once an infection comes, the baby will almost always have to be delivered.

Babies must weigh 500 grams, or about a pound, to survive. Because I was at high risk for PROM and early labor, I kept this day on my calendar and waited with fear for it to pass. For women expecting a normal pregnancy, suddenly having your water break is very frightening. Your are stuck in the hospital, having to rely on what people tell you, and unable to get information on your own. It is scary.

PROM is thought largely to be caused by infections or inflammation of the uterus or fetal membranes. How these infections come or why they cause the membrane rupture is not completely understood. Pelvic exams and yeast infections are NOT considered to increase your risk for PROM. I do know, however, just in reality through talking with women, including a close friend of mine, that PROM tends to recur. Knowing you are at risk and taking all the appropriate precautions is essential to keeping your baby in the uterus as long as possible.

Fortunately, even though PROM cannot always be treated or prevented, most babies are able to make it far enough to survive and lead normal lives. If you have experienced unexplained PROM, I highly recommend finding a doctor with experience with this sort of pregnancy. A medical study on PROM is included in my "Books and Links" section.

Others -- Infections, Age, Chronic Disease

Many infections can cause miscarriage, but they are the big ones like syphilis, mycoplasma, toxoplasmosis, and malaria. An upper respiratory infection is NOT going to cause a miscarriage, even though it may worry you to death. Viruses are the same. Normal illnesses like the common cold will not cause a problem, but AIDS and German Measles can. Infections that directly affect the uterus are bigger risk. This does NOT include yeast infections, which are extremely common in pregnancy. See the section on Premature Rupture of Membranes for more information on these infections.

There are a few common illnesses that can cause a miscarriage or fetal malformation if you get them for the FIRST TIME during pregnancy, including Chicken Pox and Fifth Disease. The vast majority of women already have immunity to these diseases, however, and should not be concerned about exposure to them during pregnancy. If you think you may not have immunity, ask your doctor to run an antibody titer to see if you have a live antibody, or only an old antibody to the disease in your blood. Only the live antibody without the old antibody present is a danger.

An infection that causes a fever of over 101 degrees Fahrenheit should be treated immediately, however. There is a small risk that prolonged fever can affect your baby. Take Tylenol to keep your fever down and stay in touch with your doctor.

Age is only a factor in miscarriage when you consider what aging can do to your body. The first and most common is with chromosomes. It is not YOU who have a problem, it is likely your egg or sperm, which have also aged. Age can, however, bring other problems such as poor health, disease, or hormonal imbalance that can make a pregnancy harder to sustain. You don't start seeing these problems in great numbers, however, until after 40.

Health problems in the mother can create problems with the pregnancy. Diabetes, heart problems, and thyroid disorders are just a few that may complicate the pregnancy. Having these does NOT mean you will certainly have a miscarriage. You will simply have to be more careful and make sure your treatments are adapted if needed during pregnancy.

Accidents typically do not cause a miscarriage. The baby is well protected in its amniotic sac, surrounded by fluid, and even a hard blow to the abdomen will likely only rock it. Most women who have a car accident, even with a certain amount of trauma, have their babies just fine.

The Unknown

The hardest thing to accept is no reason at all. You live in fear, wondering if the same terrible cause of your first baby's death will cause another one to die. You scarcely dare to try again. I have been in this situation and I tossed my doctor's statistics aside. I had already been on the wrong side of the statistics; I didn't care for anymore. But I do know this. One miscarriage hardly raises your chances to miscarry again at all. You are simply back at square one. Try to put the risk as far back in your mind as possible and enjoy another pregnancy. But I understand if you can't.

Blighted Ovum, Ectopic Pregnancy, Molar Pregnancy, and Stillbirth

Sometimes a pregnancy ends unhappily, but it is not technically a miscarriage. This section will touch on these types of situations.

Blighted Ovum is a condition (with a terrible, unfortunate name) where the gestational sac grows, the woman gets all the pregnancy symptoms, but the baby itself never develops. The sac will continue to grow and grow, and most women do not know there is no baby until an ultrasound is done. The bleeding, if that happens before the blighted ovum is found via ultrasound, is slow and brown. Your pregnancy symptoms will seem to go away. A blighted ovum is believed to be caused by an egg or sperm with poor genetic material. When the egg is fertilized, instead of creating both a sac and a baby, the part that should be a baby never grows. A D&C is almost always needed to empty the uterus, because the body is very slow to realize there is no baby. Some women do experience more than one blighted ovum, but most women go on to later have a baby.

An Ectopic Pregnancy is a normal fertilized egg that gets stuck in the fallopian tube (although occasionally it will fall into the abdominal cavity) and implants there. This type of pregnancy cannot survive and puts the mother at great risk for severe hemorrhaging and possibly even death as the baby grows and eventually bursts the tube. When the ectopic is discovered, the mother will immediately have surgery to remove the baby. Things will happen very fast, and most likely if this has happened to you, you are reading this after it is all over. If you are afraid you have an ectopic, the symptoms that you really want to watch for are: sharp, intense pain in your abdomen or possibly in your shoulder; a pregnancy test that is positive, then turns negative a few days later; and spotty red bleeding that continues.

Ectopics are usually caused by scar tissue in the fallopian tubes that could have been caused by: previous surgery in the pelvic region, uterus, or tubes; a pelvic infection such as chlamydia or pelvic inflammatory disease; or endometriosis that blocks the entrance to the tubes. If you have had one ectopic, your risk increases for another one. See additional information on treatment.

A Molar Pregnancy is a very rare type of pregnancy where an abnormal mass forms inside the uterus after the egg is fertilized. The baby usually does not form, but the uterus is filled with big bubble clusters. A molar pregnancy is caused when a sperm fertilizes an empty egg (called a complete molar pregnancy) and no baby grows, or when two sperm fertilize an egg and both the baby grows a little as well as an abnormal placenta (called a partial molar.) Even if a baby does grow, it cannot survive. The longest documented molar pregnancy I have seen was a 24-week stillbirth, and most molar pregnancies will be diagnosed and a D&C performed before the end of the first trimester. If a molar pregnancy has been diagnosed, your medical condition will be carefully monitored. In about 15% of molar pregnancies (usually complete molars and not partial), the moles spread to other parts of the body like cancer. A mild form of chemotherapy will have to be used (with methotrexate), but rest assured that the cure rate for this type of disease is very high. The signs of a molar pregnancy include: bleeding in the 12th week of pregnancy, a uterus that is larger than normal, and hCG levels that are too high. The molar pregnancy is removed by a dilating the cervix and gently suctioning out the clusters. Women who have had a molar pregnancy are usually advised not to get pregnant again for at least a year to ensure the cancerous form is not present. It is absolutely essential to follow doctors orders on when to try again with a molar pregnancy diagnosis. Do not cheat, and have regular follow ups even after your hCG is zero, to make sure it does not rise again.8,9

A stillbirth is technically any pregnancy that ends after the 20th week and the baby does not survive. Some babies die in utero and are discovered when the heartbeat is not found. The most common causes of this are: uterine abnormalities, a knot or other umbilical cord accident, infections of the lining of the gestational sac or cord, and placental abruptions that cause the placenta to pull away from the uterine wall. These babies are usually born through the induction of labor, although some babies are small enough to be taken by D&C or D&E procedures.

Other babies are lost through early labor. The causes of early labor are Premature Rupture of Membranes, uterine abnormalities that make the uterus too small to hold the baby, and an incompetent cervix, which opens up and lets the baby out. Sometimes a stillbirth occurs during the birth, by an umbilical cord that gets pinched between the baby's head and the cervix, or the cord wraps around the baby's neck. Repeat stillbirths are extremely rare and are almost all related to uterine or cervix problems, which can be fixed or treated once found.

Myths

Sometimes after your miscarriage you will remember straining to lift something, worry over the three martinis you drank before you took the pregnancy test, or wonder if you should have still been working out. None of this matters. Miscarriage happens, whether we do our best to prevent it or not. Here is a list of commonly blamed factors that are NOT causes of miscarriage.

These things do NOT cause miscarriage:

Stress. Everyone worries about the baby. Many experience traumatic life events during pregnancy, such as family deaths, even deaths of children or the baby's father. You will get through it, and your baby will too. As a strong case in point, over 50 women were pregnant when their husbands died on September 11 in a terrorist attack on the United States. Their babies are arriving, kicking and squawling, despite the pregnancy occurring during the absolute worst days of their mothers' lives.

Sex, even the passionate kind. Orgasm may scare you when your uterus enlarges because you can feel the contractions, but it doesn't do anything to the baby other than maybe rock him to sleep (or get him to kick you to stop and let him sleep already.) Sometimes you will have spotting after sex, but this is just because the cervix is very soft and filled with blood. A little banging sometimes makes it bleed a little, but this is not a problem. You only need to curtail your loving if your doctor has told you to do so.

Lifting your toddler or older children. Your body will complain to the point of making you drop them well before you can do anything that is harmful. Remember to pick them up by squatting and lifting with your legs, not bending over and lifting with your back. This is still not a miscarriage factor, but will save you many aches and pains.

Working out. This is actually something that helps you and the baby. There are some rules, however. Do not get your heart rate above 140 (still not a miscarriage factor, but does start to reduce the amount of oxygen to the baby) or work until you feel faint or exhausted.

Getting kicked or hit in the stomach. Remember the baby is well protected, and only you will hurt. This is often done during the night by a sleepless child you have pulled into bed with you, but if it is by a partner or other adult, get help. You don't need to bring a child into a world where abuse is present. Please visit https://www.ncadv.org/ for help and information on domestic violence.

Poor eating habits. The baby will rob you of the nutrients it needs and only you will suffer. However, you can cause a low birth-weight baby with developmental problems if you refuse to have a healthy diet through the entire pregnancy. You should still eat well, but don't blame a miscarriage on your eating habits.

Drinking before you knew you were pregnant. The majority of women do this and it has no bearing on miscarriage. I personally tossed quite a few tequila shots the night I had a negative pregnancy test on the ninth month of trying. Two days later another test was positive. I didn't blink an eye. The baby doesn't get a drop of blood before implantation, and receives so little for the first few weeks that you really just don't need to worry about it. If you continue drinking once you know you are pregnant, however, you can cause a serous problem with Fetal Alchohol Syndrome. Once the test is positive, pick up baby bottles, not liquor ones.

Scaring the baby. Just because a near accident, or loud terrible noise, earthquake, or other event scared you, does not mean the baby even noticed. Even if the baby does jump upon hearing something loud, this is just a startle reflex and actually a healthy sign that he or she is developing normally. Babies do not have "heart attacks" from fright or get scared "to death." This is a persistent myth in several cultures and simply does not have any basis in fact.

The baby "knowing" it was unwanted. Just because a pregnancy surprised you, and even if you debated having an abortion, you did not cause your baby to die. This is a grief and guilt emotion you are feeling, but it is not true. The fact is, at least 10% of all babies die, whether they were desperately wanted or not.

These things may cause complications, but not typically a miscarriage:

Falling. We all become klutzes as our belly expands, joints loosen, and our center of balance changes. Most falls do not cause any harm to the baby. If, however, you experience bleeding or serious soreness afterward, or if you landed square on your belly in the second trimester or later, see a doctor to check the placenta for tears. Otherwise just be embarrassed.

Car accidents. While some people will blame their miscarriage on an accident, usually it isn't so. The baby is very well protected in its amniotic fluid, so unless the stomach and uterus is punctured, or the woman undergoes a period of cardiac arrest or without breathing, the baby should survive. Certainly get checked after a car accident, but don't worry too much about miscarriage. It is rare in this case.

Lifting something heavy. This caution is really for women who can cause a placental tear in the second or third trimester. This does not necessarily mean a miscarriage, and usually if you feel terrible pains later, it just means that you strained one of the round ligaments holding your uterus in place. A little rest will be all that is needed. If you have bleeding, however, it is time to get a sonogram just to be sure you didn't pull a bit of the placenta away, although this will almost always heal itself without incident.

BUT!

Yes, I know. You started bleeding right after sex, or right after a workout. Or your baby died the day after the car accident, or the checkup at the hospital after you fell down showed no heartbeat. These things MUST have caused the miscarriage, because babies don't just die, right?

WRONG.

Babies do just die. Over half of all miscarriages are caused by chromosomal factors that are completely out of our hands. Not preventable. Nothing we can do. The majority of the others are also unrelated to anything we personally did, but some infection that got us, a poorly formed placenta or umbilical cord, a hormone problem, or health condition we didn't know about. Don't let anyone, not even your partner or your mother (or yes, the mother-in-law) tell you this was your fault. It absolutely, positively was NOT.

Undocumented

Sometimes someone you trust, even your doctor, will suggest these might have caused your loss, but they aren't sure. I think sometimes even medical professionals will speculate when they can't narrow down a sure cause just to give you something to go on. I've investigated these things, and found no properly documented research studies on these. That does not mean it did not cause your loss, but it is not very likely. Most unexplained miscarriages are genetic.

Group Strep B--35% of all women have this at some point, and if you are pregnant when you test positive, Strep B is usually left untreated until close to delivery time. This will maximize the affect of the antibiotic to protect the baby during delivery. Strep B can infect a baby as it passes down the vaginal canal and cause serious problems, but if there were any connection between Strep B and miscarriage, doctors would not leave it untreated in pregnant women until the last few weeks.

Fibroids--the only way a fibroid could cause a miscarriage is if the egg tried to implant on it. That loss would be so early you probably would not have even been late for your period. Fibroids can, however, if they are very large, complicate a pregnancy by making it difficult for the baby to get head down. A c-section may be necessary.

Scar Tissue--This can cause difficulties getting pregnant, as the egg may have a hard time navigating the bands of tissue to find an implantation spot, but this would not even get to the point that hCG would be produced, and you would not know you had fertilized an egg.

Endometriosis--This condition itself should not cause miscarriage, although some doctors speculate that it can throw off the hormones enough to cause an early loss. Most of us who have terrible painful periods have some endometriosis. It is more likely to be an infertility problem than a miscarriage one. Pregnancy actually improves endometriosis.

Tuna Fish or Mercury--You can read more on this under news, but mercury levels would have to be extraordinarily high to cause miscarriage, and no amount of tuna would cause this. If you work directly with mercury in your job, you should be checked regularly. The greater risk is for birth defects in live babies.

Controlled diabetes--If you are on insulin or are regulating your blood sugar, as long as your levels are normal, you should not increase your miscarriage risk. This can complicate a pregnancy, but not end one.

Controlled thyroid--If you have a diagnosed thyroid disorder and are taking medication, you should be monitored periodically to make sure your dose should not be changed. Only if you get dramatically off could this affect your pregnancy.

History of STDs--Sexually Transmitted Diseases in your past could cause scar tissue and lower your fertility, but would not cause miscarriage.

Prescription Drugs--There are only a handful of drugs that can cause the baby to die--most notably some epilepsy drugs and methotrexate, which is used to end ectopic pregnancies or to perform early abortions. While many drugs are not supposed to be taken during pregnancy, they do not cause miscarriage, but increase the risk for birth defects.

Herbal remedies--This is such a large group, I hate to be general, but you should avoid all herbal drugs since their potency is not regulated. The following herbs can interrupt pregnancy (still rarely, but it can happen) if taken within two weeks of ovulation: dong quai, blue cohash, cotton root bark, pennyroyal, or tansy.

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Symptoms of a miscarriage

Definite Signs

You are having a miscarriage if you have already had a positive pregnancy test, then get these symptoms:

Strong cramps that make you double over or breathe in a huffy way. Bleeding will usually follow quickly.
Heavy bleeding that soaks a pad in a few hours or less.
Passage of tissue, resembling large thick blood clots in the earliest weeks up to pinkish/grayish material, with or without cramps or pain

A little bit of bleeding without cramping should be okay, but call a doctor. Small darting cramps, even if they hurt, are also okay, usually they just signal the body stretching and pulling to accommodate the growing baby. Lie down and the cramps will usually go away within the hour.

These symptoms can be other things rather than a loss of pregnancy, however, if you are not sure you are pregnant. Check the "I'm not sure I was pregnant" section.

What should you do?

If it is during doctor's regular working hours, call your regular doctor first. They will give you instructions.

If it a night or weekend, first call your regular doctor's after-hours number. Usually this will be on their answering machine or with their answering service. The nurse or doctor on call who calls you back will help you decide if you need immediate attention or not. Don't feel like you are bothering them needlessly; this is a natural and expected part of any OB practice.

If you can't get through, don't have a doctor, and you are afraid, then go to an emergency room. Be prepared for some possibly insensitive treatment. While some hospitals are well equipped for handling this situation and do a good job, often you are left alone in a room for hours, or told to sit on a toilet and catch tissue, or just sent back home because "there is nothing they can do." It may be worth the trip, though, if they draw blood for an hCG test or give you a sonogram.

There is not really a risk to waiting until Monday or the next morning if you are in your first trimester. There is no magic way to stop an early miscarriage at the hospital. What is going to happen will happen. If you are farther along than 12 weeks, though, and you are merely in labor and not bleeding, then you should take quick action to see if labor can be stopped.

If you are passing tissue at home, and it is your first miscarriage, it is not necessary to catch the tissue and take it in. You may do this if you choose, however, and you can store it in a sealed plastic bag in the refrigerator until you get to a doctor. However, it is rare that tissue caught this way will be usable. Tissue from first miscarriages is rarely tested, since it is assumed your miscarriage was due to a genetic defect. The best way to ensure testable tissue is to have a D&C.

Possible Signs

Sometimes, but not always, there may be signs that a miscarriage is pending. None of these things means a miscarriage is certain, but usually you will want additional monitoring if they happen.

Bleeding: Bleeding that starts and stops and starts and stops is often a sign that your hormone levels are falling. While you may still be okay, you need to have your blood hCG pregnancy hormone levels monitored. Heavy bleeding that soaks a pad in an hour is a sign that a miscarriage may be beginning. See the sections on "definite signs" for more information on what to do. Keep in mind that while bleeding is always scary, 70% of all pregnancies have bleeding at some point. Both of my normal pregnancies had bleeding, heavy and red. And the one I lost at 20 weeks never even spotted.

Cramping: You are going to feel a lot of random cramping down there the whole pregnancy. The only time cramping is a concern is if you are breathing in a labor-like huff, or if you also begin bleeding with the cramps.

Loss of pregnancy symptoms: This is a question I get all the time. While the complete and sudden loss of pregnancy symptoms can signal a pending miscarriage, usually it is not the first sign. You will have many days where you don't feel pregnant, when the nausea abates for a day or two, or your breasts are less sore. This is expected and not a concern at all. Around weeks 10 to 14, this is completely normal, as your hormone levels even out and the placenta takes over. The loss of pregnancy symptoms during a miscarriage is usually something you see in hindsight, not ahead of time.

A pregnancy test that is positive, then negative: This is a classic sign of an ectopic. Often you may also see spotting. If you have taken a pregnancy test that is positive, then another one a few days later that is negative, alert your doctor immediately. You want to rule out an ectopic or take care of it before you have to go the surgical route. If you are taking the tests in the same day, though, you might be right on the edge of a positive result, and urine later in the day may not be concentrated enough to keep the test positive. Test again the next morning to be sure.

You should always call your doctor when you are worried, however; because it is better to call for something that does not turn out to be a problem than to stay up half the night worrying about it.

When You're Okay

Whether it's your first pregnancy or you have already been through a loss, one thing we all have in common is worry, worry, worry. This is okay, but remember that 90% of pregnancies end with a squawling baby, regardless of the turmoil the mom has gone through to get there. Here are the most common things you will fret over, and why they are not really a problem.

Bleeding: Small amounts of brown blood (which means it's old) are expected when the egg implants in the uterus (7-10 days after ovulation) and sometimes at the point when you would have expected your period. You may also bleed slightly after having sex, but this is probably NOT from the baby. Your cervix is soft and filled with blood, so it may bleed a little from sex. This is not considered by many doctors to be a problem, but if it alarms you, call. Up to 70% of all pregnancies have bleeding.

You will be especially scared if you see bright red blood. If you are between 10 and 12 weeks, or if it is a time you would have expected your period, do not panic. Remember that until you are quite far along, much of your uterus is not involved in nourishing the baby, and can bleed with a minor hormone fluctuation. If you are not cramping, call your doctor to let them know, stay lying down on your left side, and hopefully it will slow down, start to turn brown, and eventually stop. If you push the issue, your doctor might schedule a sonogram to put your fears to rest.

When bleeding is a problem: If it is heavy enough to make you change pads or bright red, call your doctor right away.

Cramping: You are going to feel a lot of random cramping down there the whole pregnancy. Most of the time it is caused by the round ligaments expanding to accommodate your growing baby and uterus. If it goes away after a few pains or after you sit down and rest a bit, then you are probably all right. Cramping is a sign you are growing to accommodate the baby and sometimes a sign that you are overdoing it and should rest.

When cramping is a problem: If it continues or gets worse or if you start bleeding too, call your doctor immediately. If you begin to have labor-like breathing or a gush of fluid or blood.

Inability to eat or keep food down. This is normal! Remember that the baby is the size of a grain of rice and not exactly demanding steak dinners. When the baby starts to need the extra 300 calories a day, you will be eating fine. Just do the best you can with your saltines and soda, and remember that the more severe your morning sickness, the better your hormones are functioning.

Few or no pregnancy symptoms. Not everyone spends each day throwing up or sleeping all the time. Many people have symptoms that are light or nonexistent. This does not mean you will miscarry. Each pregnancy is different, and usually pregnancies after the first will be easier on your body. I had so few pregnancy symptoms the third time around that I actually ordered a margarita at a restaurant before my husband said, "Aren't you forgetting something?" This never would have happened with Emily, when I spent every non-working hour sleeping or bawling over a migraine.

You should always call your doctor when you are worried, however; because it is better to call for something that does not turn out to be a problem than to stay up half the night worrying about it.
 
Peter, that makes me wonder. I did have BV (bacterial vaginosis) after the D&C. It's very common after having any sort of pelvic surgery, and commonly goes undiagnosed. But maybe I had it before I got pregnant and that's why the miscarriage happened.

I sort of feel like my doctor wants me to just accept that it's very common and move on. But I want to know WHY!! WHY WHY WHY!!????

Oh, I've been meaning to ask...did you guys have normal beta hCG's? Mine were low from the start and took 2-3 days to double, sometimes more.

Mine were not normal at all...they were WAY higher than normal which got the dr thinking that we had multiples but later an u/s confirmed only one. Two weeks later we mmc. So I guess it was obviously that there was an issue from the beginning.

My first blood draw seemed in the normal range for how far along I was (just over 1400 at 19dpo) but my second draw two days later was just over 2100 (only a 50% increase). If you read online it says sometime it take longer for hcg to double, so while I was concerned I tried not to worry since the numbers were going up. Roughly two weeks after the 2nd blood draw (the day of my U/S) my levels had made it ovr 20,000 but there was no development at all (not even a yolk sac).
 
hi janetplanet/bastegrrl, sorry, i've only just seen that post about BV. Yes, that's another thing i want to know if i should be tested for. basically i want a full check over to make sure i'm clear of anything that could cause another miscarriage. i'm sure i lost the last baby due to a chrom abnormality, but just want to be sure that i'm safe to get preg again, seeing as the results from the D&C aren't coming back for another 2-3 weeks. I might ovulate in the next couple of weeks before i get the D&C results.

So if you had it after the d&c then perhaps you did have it while you were pregnant too? How is it treated, just with antibiotics? i think i'll just go and get tested for everything, it's worth it, peace of mind.

I phoned my Ob today and left a message, haven't heard back yet. Will let you know. He's very over the top cautious.

In London, it's not a big thing to go and have your HCG levels checked, nobody does it. Even when you get pregnant, you just have wait for the scans to make sure everything is okay.
 
Well ladies, I am sorry I have not been around much. It has been busy, and I have just been off emotionally. But I am happy to report that we have our BFP!!! 3 months to the day that I delivered our baby boy, we found out we are expecting. I am very happy and very excited. Lots of hugs to you all who are still waiting your little rainbow babies!!! I will be saying lots of prayers for you all and sending lots and lots of babydust!!
 
WOW! Congrats jennijunni! That's wonderful news!
 
Congrats jenni!!! That is great news! Hope you have a happy and healthy 9 months!!
 
Peter-thanks for all that info, it really helped me feel better about chrom defects. Just two more days till i get my bloods back, i cant wait! Luckily my insurance paid for the genetic testing, unfortunately I had to pay my $5,000 deductible when i had my d&e ouch!

My doc didn't check to see if my levels were doubling or not. I went in at 6 weeks for spotting and had a us, she took my levels, called a couple days later, said they were fine and come back in 4 weeks. 4 weeks later she did an us but no blood or urine. 4 weeks after that, she did an exam and blood & urine. She never called with the results so i assumed everything was fine but a couple weeks later my baby died.

My doc is a specialist but i'm probably going to switch to a high risk doc. My doc said she wouldn't do anything different next time i get pregnant and i wanna go somewhere i'll be monitored every two weeks instead of 4.
 
Thanks everyone!!! I am sending lots of baby dust to all of you!!!!
 
:happydance: congrats jennijunni :happydance: so happy for you

good luck to the rest of us, ladies!

:dust::dust::dust:
 
Well today I had a negative hpt and negative opk... 5th day in a row for the neg opk. Ugh, ok... stalemate?
 
so yesterday made one month since d-day, and out of no where it hit me like a ton of bricks! i was a hot mess. i really didn't expect to be any more upset than any other day, but i was wrong! much better today, though.

i want to try to touch base w/ everybody about where you are in the ttc game? like has anyone started :af: does anyone have fertility issues on top of m/cs? if so, are you on meds?

still no :af: for me, but i will be using opks if i don't start in the next few days. i also have PCOS and am on Metformin 1000mg/day and will go back on Clomid 50mg...once that crazy :witch: af returns (cd 5-9).


ps...for anyone interested...my mom is an avid natural health phenom, and has used herbal supplements/herbal teas for years, and has done some research on Red Raspberry Leaf tea and the benefits during ttc, pregnancy, and even preventing m/c. it is really interesting, and i think i might give it a try. i mean as long as it's safe...i'd try anything not to go through this again!!
 
oh...and i was also on prometrium 200mg for 10days/mo last time we were ttc...but need to check w/ my dr. to see what days to start it? so i'll prob just wait til the next cycle
 
nursekelly, i bought some rrl pills but haven't taken them yet. I keep reading conflicting reports about it. Some reports say that it helps the lining in the uterus to help you get pregnant but others say that it contracts the uterus and increases your risk of m/c before 12 weeks. All reports say that it is very good to take in the 3rd tri and can help with labor. Some women take it/ drink it certain cd's and others take it their whole pregnancy. I just can't make heads or tails of it! I also have vitex (chaste tree) that I'm also afraid to take lol
 

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