Underhand tactics - formula companies

[cherryglitter]

'fail' at breastfeeding??? for goodness sake, think before you type. Some ladies beat themselves up enough when bf doesnt work out for them without comments like that

I put it in quotations for a reason.


I dont know why people keep picking at my posts and trying to make something out of nothing. Its not very nice.

I don't think anyone's picking.
It could just be the way things are worded!
I think FF's get fed up with having to defend themselves all the time. Just as BF's do.

 

[Sherileigh]

I will have no trouble with supply with my next baby if they latch on....well I'm hoping anyway. I had an abundance of milk in the beginning. I'm just saying it's a sensitive issue. As proud as BF'ers feel about BF'ing for 14 months, 16 months...however long they go for. It makes me (just me I'm talking about here) equally as sad that I didn't get to do it.

 

[OmarsMum]

'fail' at breastfeeding??? for goodness sake, think before you type. Some ladies beat themselves up enough when bf doesnt work out for them without comments like that

True! I even thought that my baby hated me when he couldnt latch on, & I didnt have any milk to express. I had lots of support at home, from my mom, dad & DH & even frm health professionals but it didnt work. After a traumatic emergency CS the last thing I needed is "guilt" for not being able to BF.

Such comments frm BFers doesnt really encourage FFer to even give it a try next time! I think next time I will not even wait until I "fail", I will go directly to FFing as I enjoy it & I have a thriving smart baby.

 

[nicholatmn]

I still don't see why this thread is still going? People BF, express, FF, comb feed, etc and have for a really long time. We're all here, we're all healthy...

Aeri is 100% breastfed right now, but if something were to happen, I would formula feed. Would I feel guilty? No. No one can make me feel guilty about feeding my baby.
And for those who didn't try BF... why should it matter how they feed their baby?

Maybe I just don't see where the debates come from?

 

[Blah11]

I will have no trouble with supply with my next baby if they latch on. I had an abundance of milk in the beginning. I'm just saying it's a sensitive issue. As proud as BF'ers feel about BF'ing for 14 months, 16 months...however long they go for. It makes me (just me I'm talking about here) equally as sad that I didn't get to do it.

I bet it does You have to think of the positives I suppose, you gave your baby your milk for 9 months and you worked hard to do that. You should be proud of yourself for going so long, I couldn't express 9ozs let alone for 9 months.

 

[ellie]

Its not snotty! I dont use formula and hopefully will never need to. I dont think people who do use formula are bad mums and i dont think any less of them if they do use formula. That being said, I wish more people would BF.

THAT'S IT. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's no point in saying 'oh formula is just the same as breastmilk' because obviously thats a lie. IDK..

This is a point I made earlier - why does it bother you what other people are doing? Why do you wish more people would breastfeed - how would that benefit you? Just worry about your own children and let everyone else make their own decisions. Some people choose from the start not to BF, that's their perogative...

I've said this in a nother thread in more detail but its basically because I enjoy it so much and know how lovely it can be if you just hang on in there when its a bit rough in the early days. Its kind of like visiting a gorgeous restaurant and recommending it to all your friends and saying they should really go because it was so good.

Hope that makes sense

Wow - this is the longest thread i've seen in a while!!!

And somehow its gone back to bf vs ff oh well ....

However ... Many ladies on here not only want to share their experiences (and I second what blah11 says here) but, some also want to do this more broadly. I appreciate that that's not for everyone, but some do care about helping to change things for others, and have concerns outside their own individual situations. I think it was trumpetbum earlier that described the different levels of interest that some have. I think her post (several pages back now probably) answered the question very well about why people care how others feed their babies. As I said though, that's not for eveyrone and some prefer to concentrate on their own individual situations.

And I am genuinely puzzled and interested in this - can someone enlighten me? Re: the 'artificial feeding' term. I really don't understand why some people are so hugely offended by it, it being a widely used standard term. Ok, it sounds a bit medicalised and probably a bit out of date, but can someone explain why they find it offensive? I'm genuinely puzzled (And as I said earlier, my son was ff in hospital and this was written on his discharge forms. I kind of shrugged at it, and I thought 'oh he really did have man made milk', but I didn't find it personally offensive - so I'd like to know)

ANd I really wish that people weren't so determined to split people into "BF'ers" "FF'ers" like its some kind of gang warfare. I've done both, loads of people have. I don't define myself by how I feed my baby.

And I really wish that everyone wasn't so damn sensitive about how people word things! It makes me really sad when I read things like 'something a BF'er said has put me off even trying to BF' Why on earth shoudl that be? A random word on a thread from someone you will never meet will influence your future child raising? WE originally started talking about the SMA helpline / adverts and I thought everyone agreed that they would not be influenced by something they saw or read ......

Sorry OP, its gone waaay off topic now!

 

[Dragonfly]

I to am proud of how my son turned out from my milk that in no way is meant to make a mum who formula feeds bad and I dont get how it could do. Its just a personal thing, I made the milk and its clearly good enough for him where as so many around me claim its not good enough and he needs formula so it makes me feel better to be honest knowing I done that, I not only carried him for 41 weeks and went through a bad labour but I am still growing him. I love the closeness of breastfeeding and the fact I can lye there and type or read a book while doing it.

 

[Susie28]

Its not snotty! I dont use formula and hopefully will never need to. I dont think people who do use formula are bad mums and i dont think any less of them if they do use formula. That being said, I wish more people would BF.

THAT'S IT. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's no point in saying 'oh formula is just the same as breastmilk' because obviously thats a lie. IDK..

There's nothing wrong with wanting to breastfeed my baby I love breastfeeding. I love the bond, I love the cuddles and i love knowing that im keeping my baby alive and helping her grow. Do not try and make me feel bad for not wanting to give that experience up

Are formula feeders not keeping their babies alive and helping them grow?

Jesus christ she didnt say that .. /actual facepalm. Blah clearly LOVES breastfeeding yet has said time and time again she doesnt think bad of mums who FF.

I FF and thats my choice my baby is happy and healthy and gets just as much cuddles as any other baby.

Why is everyone taking everything to heart, as long as your baby is looked after thats all that matters.

Taking someone elses comment or opinion to heart isn't a choice, it's just an immediate and uncontrolable reaction. I wish I didn't feel annoyed, or patronised when I read some of these comments. But sometimes I do.

 

[Missy86]

'fail' at breastfeeding??? for goodness sake, think before you type. Some ladies beat themselves up enough when bf doesnt work out for them without comments like that

True! I even thought that my baby hated me when he couldnt latch on, & I didnt have any milk to express. I had lots of support at home, from my mom, dad & DH & even frm health professionals but it didnt work. After a traumatic emergency CS the last thing I needed is "guilt" for not being able to BF.

Such comments frm BFers doesnt really encourage FFer to even give it a try next time! I think next time I will not even wait until I "fail", I will go directly to FFing as I enjoy it & I have a thriving smart baby.

I agree I will just Bf when I am in hospital next time, I to had lots of support it just didnt work

 

[Dragonfly]

'fail' at breastfeeding??? for goodness sake, think before you type. Some ladies beat themselves up enough when bf doesnt work out for them without comments like that

I put it in quotations for a reason.


I dont know why people keep picking at my posts and trying to make something out of nothing. Its not very nice.

I don't think anyone's picking.
It could just be the way things are worded!
I think FF's get fed up with having to defend themselves all the time. Just as BF's do.

She hasnt said anything wrong though to make you defend yourself other than you being over sensitive and even you admitted that. It does look to me like her posts are being torn apart and dissected word by word.

 

[Blah11]

artificial feeding IS a medical term. Its what is put in medical notes.

 

[AppleBlossom]

I to am proud of how my son turned out from my milk that in no way is meant to make a mum who formula feeds bad and I dont get how it could do. Its just a personal thing, I made the milk and its clearly good enough for him where as so many around me claim its not good enough and he needs formula so it makes me feel better to be honest knowing I done that, I not only carried him for 41 weeks and went through a bad labour but I am still growing him. I love the closeness of breastfeeding and the fact I can lye there and type or read a book while doing it.

And I am proud of the way my daughter turned out from formula I think we should just all be proud that we have healthy babies regardless of how they're fed

 

[samface182]

*sigh*


i like frogs. anyone else?

 

[MissBroody]

Its not snotty! I dont use formula and hopefully will never need to. I dont think people who do use formula are bad mums and i dont think any less of them if they do use formula. That being said, I wish more people would BF.

THAT'S IT. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's no point in saying 'oh formula is just the same as breastmilk' because obviously thats a lie. IDK..

This is a point I made earlier - why does it bother you what other people are doing? Why do you wish more people would breastfeed - how would that benefit you? Just worry about your own children and let everyone else make their own decisions. Some people choose from the start not to BF, that's their perogative...

I've said this in a nother thread in more detail but its basically because I enjoy it so much and know how lovely it can be if you just hang on in there when its a bit rough in the early days. Its kind of like visiting a gorgeous restaurant and recommending it to all your friends and saying they should really go because it was so good.

Hope that makes sense

Yes I suppose it does - I loved the bond I felt when I breastfed, it felt amazing. But sadly not everyone can breastfeed, and not everyone wants to. For some people for eg those who've been victims of sexual abuse, they wont feel breastfeeding as bonding with a baby but something that brings out horrific memories. I think the bottom line here is that everyone should do what they want and what is right by THEIR baby and let everyone else do the same.

 

[xerinx]

It makes no difference whats said in this thread it will continue on and on and on. FF'ers feel that they are being 'picked' on and BF'ers feel that ithers dont see their opinion.

Everyone is doing whats best for their family and should just accept that we all do things differently.

I BF my eldest for 6 months and loved it, I chose to FF my middle one due to circumstances and Logan was born prematurely so the hospital took the choice away from me and he was FF. Im not slating FF at all but with logan i regret not BF'ing him. The sense of satisfaction that you get from knowing that your baby is thriving due to you is imense. I dont have a problem at all with FF i just wish i was given a choice!

 

[cherryglitter]

And I am genuinely puzzled and interested in this - can someone enlighten me? Re: the 'artificial feeding' term. I really don't understand why some people are so hugely offended by it, it being a widely used standard term. Ok, it sounds a bit medicalised and probably a bit out of date, but can someone explain why they find it offensive? I'm genuinely puzzled (And as I said earlier, my son was ff in hospital and this was written on his discharge forms. I kind of shrugged at it, and I thought 'oh he really did have man made milk', but I didn't find it personally offensive - so I'd like to know)

Because artificial feeding doesn't mean the same thing to everyone.
Artificial feeding to me is being fed through tubes etc.
NOT being bottle fed. I work in a care home, where peg feeds and things were a regular occurrence. That to me, is artificial feeding. Someone who cannot feed normally.

But then that's just me and my own personal preference.

 

[Sherileigh]

Its not snotty! I dont use formula and hopefully will never need to. I dont think people who do use formula are bad mums and i dont think any less of them if they do use formula. That being said, I wish more people would BF.

THAT'S IT. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's no point in saying 'oh formula is just the same as breastmilk' because obviously thats a lie. IDK..

This is a point I made earlier - why does it bother you what other people are doing? Why do you wish more people would breastfeed - how would that benefit you? Just worry about your own children and let everyone else make their own decisions. Some people choose from the start not to BF, that's their perogative...

I've said this in a nother thread in more detail but its basically because I enjoy it so much and know how lovely it can be if you just hang on in there when its a bit rough in the early days. Its kind of like visiting a gorgeous restaurant and recommending it to all your friends and saying they should really go because it was so good.

Hope that makes sense

Wow - this is the longest thread i've seen in a while!!!

And somehow its gone back to bf vs ff oh well ....

Everyone makes their own choice. No one on here could possibly influence anyone else's choice, and Ive never seen anyone trying to.

However ... Many ladies on here not only want to share their experiences (and I second what blah11 says here) but, some also want to do this more broadly. I appreciate that that's not for everyone, but some do care about helping to change things for others, and have concerns outside their own individual situations. I think it was trumpetbum earlier that described the different levels of interest that some have. I think her post (several pages back now probably) answered the question very well about why people care how others feed their babies. As I said though, that's not for eveyrone and some prefer to concentrate on their own individual situations.

And I am genuinely puzzled and interested in this - can someone enlighten me? Re: the 'artificial feeding' term. I really don't understand why some people are so hugely offended by it, it being a widely used standard term. Ok, it sounds a bit medicalised and probably a bit out of date, but can someone explain why they find it offensive? I'm genuinely puzzled (And as I said earlier, my son was ff in hospital and this was written on his discharge forms. I kind of shrugged at it, and I thought 'oh he really did have man made milk', but I didn't find it personally offensive - so I'd like to know)

Personally I think it's just a stupid term. No offense. It just makes it sound like it's fake. We wouldn't call pasta artificial just because it's doesn't grow in the ground so calling formula artificial is just silly IMO.

 

[Dragonfly]

I to am proud of how my son turned out from my milk that in no way is meant to make a mum who formula feeds bad and I dont get how it could do. Its just a personal thing, I made the milk and its clearly good enough for him where as so many around me claim its not good enough and he needs formula so it makes me feel better to be honest knowing I done that, I not only carried him for 41 weeks and went through a bad labour but I am still growing him. I love the closeness of breastfeeding and the fact I can lye there and type or read a book while doing it.

And I am proud of the way my daughter turned out from formula I think we should just all be proud that we have healthy babies regardless of how they're fed[/QU

but we are... I was speaking for me I am sure you feel the same way to and that wasnt rubbing your face in it so no need to get defensive.

 

[Missy86]

*sigh*


i like frogs. anyone else?

Not really, they move to fast

 

[Blah11]

Its not snotty! I dont use formula and hopefully will never need to. I dont think people who do use formula are bad mums and i dont think any less of them if they do use formula. That being said, I wish more people would BF.

THAT'S IT. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's no point in saying 'oh formula is just the same as breastmilk' because obviously thats a lie. IDK..

This is a point I made earlier - why does it bother you what other people are doing? Why do you wish more people would breastfeed - how would that benefit you? Just worry about your own children and let everyone else make their own decisions. Some people choose from the start not to BF, that's their perogative...

I've said this in a nother thread in more detail but its basically because I enjoy it so much and know how lovely it can be if you just hang on in there when its a bit rough in the early days. Its kind of like visiting a gorgeous restaurant and recommending it to all your friends and saying they should really go because it was so good.

Hope that makes sense

Yes I suppose it does - I loved the bond I felt when I breastfed, it felt amazing. But sadly not everyone can breastfeed, and not everyone wants to. For some people for eg those who've been victims of sexual abuse, they wont feel breastfeeding as bonding with a baby but something that brings out horrific memories. I think the bottom line here is that everyone should do what they want and what is right by THEIR baby and let everyone else do the same.

I talk in general terms. Obviously when I share my breastfeeding experiences with someone I don't think 'oh she might have been sexually abused so i better not mention it'. There's always an exception to the rule.