Underhand tactics - formula companies

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Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:
 
So what if its a formula company?!?!?!?!?!?!? I dont get it? Maybe because I see the sides to both choices, I dunno :shrug:

They give out wrong info!!!! thats all, it discourages breastfeeding mums. Nothing to do with formula feeding mums.

Regarding diets?
Totally genuine question - does what you eat have an effect on your milk and its supply?

no it doesnt, amazing how woman in africa can manage it on their diets yet formula companies say you need this and that. Check out the link I posted theres backed up info from LLL and WHO which formula companies have stated wrongly, Not just on diets.
 
Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:

I find your post very offensive - calling FF artificial feeding. Not every baby or mother is able to BF but FF's don't 'artificially' feed their baby. They feed their baby with a bottle???? We all use knives and forks - is that artificially feeding ouselves too, or should we be eating with our hands?
 
Just in case anyone cant access the link and I am shit at explaining things anyway.


Formula Companies: Hands Off My Breasts!
Posted by Christie Haskell
on September 9, 2010 at 3:15 PM

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If you were to walk into a KFC as a vegetarian looking for nutrition advice, most people would call you a little bit insane. Or waltz into a hair salon and ask for advice on how to cut your own hair. Dumb, right? They all want to sell you things that are the exact opposite of what you want.

So why is it that some formula companies seem to think that it's acceptable to give out breastfeeding advice?

Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. Especially when that information isn't good information.

For example, Similac says:

"To keep a steady milk supply in each breast, it’s important to switch breasts during feedings. Begin feeding on the breast that was not used last. After five or 10 minutes, try burping your baby, and then offer the second breast for as long as he wants."

However, this isn't a good idea. La Leche League says:

"Limiting baby's nursing on each side to only five or ten minutes can be counterproductive when viewed in terms of the change in milk composition. For some mothers, nursing on both breasts at each feeding is important in terms of keeping up milk production and relieving engorgement, but the baby should be finished with the first breast before being switched to the other side."

Gotta ask ... who are you going to trust? The people who exist off donations from nursing mothers, breastfeeding accessories, and researchers, or the people who produce a product that needs mothers to NOT breastfeed to use? Would you go to a liquor store for an A.A. meeting?

All of these supposed breastfeeding guides done by formula companies really play up the struggles of nursing -- as if you can BARELY get through the pain that is obviously the worst thing you'll ever experienced in your entire life, you'll certainly have to give up at six weeks when you go back to work since pumping is hard, and if you make it past there, the three-month growth spurt will CERTAINLY do you in, and babies don't have nursing strikes, they just "lose interest". Tell me, when is the last time YOU just "lost interest" in eating and drinking?

It's good they've got your backs. *cough*

Are you a working mom? Enfamil makes sure you know that most working moms don't breastfeed:

"Based on your milk supply, pumping opportunities and energy levels, you may decide to supplement your breast milk with infant formula. Most women do.

"Being a working mom is two hard jobs in one. For this reason among others, many women decide that formula-feeding is the way to go. You can feel confident in choosing an infant formula that is closest to breast milk, with all the nutrients your baby needs to support her health and development during the first year."

Isn't that supportive? "Don't worry! WE know that working is hard and most women in your situation give up on nursing too ... so why even try?" The language is very defeating to anyone looking to exclusively breastfeed, pump and work.

Need a little reminder of why you're nursing in the first place? Well, nursing is recommended. "But our products are amazing! They're closer than ever to breast milk!" Except they're, well, NOT ... and if our country would adopt the Code of Ethics many other countries have, statements like that would be illegal ... but the AAP won't adopt the Code because they get millions of dollars annually from formula companies.

Now before anyone accuses me of attacking anyone who suggests that breastfeeding is hard, that's certainly not my goal. But the thing is, the language used can be supportive or defeating. To use yet another analogy, imagine you wanted to run a marathon. When you talked about how hard the training was going, how much you were struggling, and how much you hurt, would you rather hear:

A. "You're doing fantastic! I know it's tough but imagine how proud you will be when you run the 5K! Imagine how great you'll feel and look too! It is so worth it and you'll never regret it."

or

B. "I trained for a marathon once. I know a lot of people try but I don't know many people who succeed. I know you want to do it, but don't beat yourself up over it. It's not really that important. No one will care if you give up."

Frankly, if someone told me the second one, I'd kindly tell them where to shove it and that if they couldn't support me, I didn't want to hear it. It's as if they wanted ME to fail at my goal because they did and misery loves company. But formula companies are telling you exactly that and sometimes so are "well-meaning" family and friends.

Let's just take a second to remind people that if you're going to go for breastfeeding advice, go to a website or source that actually has an interest and benefits from your breastfeeding success. La Leche League or Kellymom, for example. You can call La Leche League any time or even attend meetings and/or call your local La Leche League Leader whenever you need help.

If you pull up a breastfeeding page and see formula advertisements, go somewhere else. Don't even read the mentally sabotaging bull they've written. Go to someone who actually wants you to succeed. The goal of the people helping you should be the same as your own.

After all, you wouldn't go to PETA's website for advice on how to cook a steak, right?

 
Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:

I find your post very offensive - calling FF artificial feeding. Not every baby or mother is able to BF but FF's don't 'artificially' their baby. They feed their baby with a bottle???? We all use knives and forks - is that artificially feeding ouselves too, or should we be eating with our hands?

My hospital calls it artificial feeding I seen it on their computer when asked how i would feed my baby and it is ?? cows milk is not meant for babies there for its called artificial milk compared to human milk. She didnt mean it as offence but thats what its called.
 
Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:

I find pretty much all of that condescending.

More to the point, I don't think forumla should be hard to get hold of. It's the 21st Century. That's like saying computers aren't going to be readily available to people to send emails because people think we should still write letters. There IS a choice. And as I said before, I refuse to be believe that anyone is naive enough to be persuaded to stop BFing or not BF at all just because of formula promotion. If you want to Breastfeed you will (if you can) and if you want to Formula feed you will. Regardless of what SMA say. Maybe I'm missing the point but I have yet to meet a woman who has allowed a company to make a decision for her child...
 
Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:

I find your post very offensive - calling FF artificial feeding. Not every baby or mother is able to BF but FF's don't 'artificially' their baby. They feed their baby with a bottle???? We all use knives and forks - is that artificially feeding ouselves too, or should we be eating with our hands?

My hospital calls it artificial feeding I seen it on their computer when asked how i would feed my baby and it is ?? cows milk is not meant for babies there for its called artificial milk compared to human milk. She didnt mean it as offence but thats what its called.

How do you know what she meant? There are certain words that can be used and surely she knows that the word 'artificial' will cause offence.
 
Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:

I find your post very offensive - calling FF artificial feeding. Not every baby or mother is able to BF but FF's don't 'artificially' feed their baby. They feed their baby with a bottle???? We all use knives and forks - is that artificially feeding ouselves too, or should we be eating with our hands?

I'm sorry you find it offensive but that is what it is called in my area by healthcare professionals and that is what i am used to.
 
Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:

I find your post very offensive - calling FF artificial feeding. Not every baby or mother is able to BF but FF's don't 'artificially' feed their baby. They feed their baby with a bottle???? We all use knives and forks - is that artificially feeding ouselves too, or should we be eating with our hands?

I'm sorry you find it offensive but that is what it is called in my area by healthcare professionals and that is what i am used to.

Fair enough if that is what it is called in your area.
 
I think people r more educated to know what's best for their LOs. I dont think an ad with affect their choice to BF or FF. There is alot of BFing awareness & info. We all know breast is the best. But many of us couldnt BF for some reasons. I dont think it's bad to have some info about formula & what's available in the market. I think FF moms should have more professional support from experts instead of relying on ads & the internet. I had to stop & read labels on different formulas for hrs at the supermarket as I didnt have a clue what to choose (formula advertising is also not allowed here, & health professionals r not allowed to suggest of give info on formula). If there were professional FFing consultants to help us choose what's best for our LOs, & advise us on sterilizing, feeding & quantities, different types of formula, etc, I dont think anyone will give a second look at those types of ads or seek advise frm formula manufacturing companies. At the end of the day, babies need to be fed, & formula is the only alternative available. I think if HV or MW accept the mother's choice frm day1 instead of trying to force what they believe in, & try to help mothers finding the right way to feed their babies according to their choice without trying to question their choice, we will have more happy mothers & babies with no guilt or struggling.
 
Personally, i don't think artificial feeding should be easily promoted to pregnant women, or be easily available. I believe deterring people from artificial feeding from the moment they are pregnant, whether that be no advertising etc would encourage alot more Mum's to just give it a go. Artificial feeding is too easily available these days, and these companies know that.

They make no money from breastfeeding :shrug:

I find your post very offensive - calling FF artificial feeding. Not every baby or mother is able to BF but FF's don't 'artificially' feed their baby. They feed their baby with a bottle???? We all use knives and forks - is that artificially feeding ouselves too, or should we be eating with our hands?

I'm sorry you find it offensive but that is what it is called in my area by healthcare professionals and that is what i am used to.

Fair enough if that is what it is called in your area.

Its the same here I have never heard a health professional call it formula actually but I dont see the prob with that its what it is after all. Formula is artificial food for babies.
 
Aob is a close friend and she fully understood why I stopped bf infact she helped me get over my guilt. I am sure she meant no harm
I formula fed Aidan and i call it artificial. As thats what it is. It is artificially made as an alternative to bf
Xx
 
Artificial feeding is a widely used term in healthcare and is the 'official' way to refer to formula feeding. It was actually put on my hospital discharge report and I was confused at first (my LO was ff'd in hospital).

And many, many women are in no way as clued up as we all are on here. Some are very easily swayed, have no information and may not know where or how to search for unbiased information. So it's all very well saying 'we wouldnt be swayed by an ad' - but many people are.

And as my LO was ff'd for his first week of life, I can also see both sides. I am grateful that it helped him to survive. But I still don't agree that formula should be as ubiquitous as it is. And I don't blame ANY mother for this ... I blame the big businesses trying everything they can to make money without caring how they do it. I think this is why many people get annoyed at formula companies trying sneaky tactics to promote their stuff.
 
I think people r more educated to know what's best for their LOs. I dont think an ad with affect their choice to BF or FF. There is alot of BFing awareness & info. We all know breast is the best. But many of us couldnt BF for some reasons. I dont think it's bad to have some info about formula & what's available in the market. I think FF moms should have more professional support from experts instead of relying on ads & the internet. I had to stop & read labels on different formulas for hrs at the supermarket as I didnt have a clue what to choose (formula advertising is also not allowed here, & health professionals r not allowed to suggest of give info on formula). If there were professional FFing consultants to help us choose what's best for our LOs, & advise us on sterilizing, feeding & quantities, different types of formula, etc, I dont think anyone will give a second look at those types of ads or seek advise frm formula manufacturing companies. At the end of the day, babies need to be fed, & formula is the only alternative available. I think if HV or MW accept the mother's choice frm day1 instead of trying to force what they believe in, & try to help mothers finding the right way to feed their babies according to their choice without trying to question their choice, we will have more happy mothers & babies with no guilt or struggling.


Agreed. I would love to see more support for FF mothers. Where I lived there was so much support for BF but when my LO wouldn't latch on there was no advice.
 
:dohh: This site has opened my eyes to breastfeeding and I would love to try with my next baby if I can, but I don't think it's something I would stick to.. perhaps do it for the first few days when I was in hospital just to give them that extra boost! Im a FF at the moment.. I never tried breastfeeding. No advertising at all influenced that decision.

At the end of the day i'd phone a helpline no matter who it was funded by. It doesn't really bother me. A helplines just a helpline. Everyone knows 'breast is best' and I don't think anyone doesn't know that. We're all adults with children at the end of the day and we can all make our own minds up :)

It's almost like a lifestyle choice, just like anything else we choose to buy/use etc. That's just the way society is :shrug:
 
I think people r more educated to know what's best for their LOs. I dont think an ad with affect their choice to BF or FF. There is alot of BFing awareness & info. We all know breast is the best. But many of us couldnt BF for some reasons. I dont think it's bad to have some info about formula & what's available in the market. I think FF moms should have more professional support from experts instead of relying on ads & the internet. I had to stop & read labels on different formulas for hrs at the supermarket as I didnt have a clue what to choose (formula advertising is also not allowed here, & health professionals r not allowed to suggest of give info on formula). If there were professional FFing consultants to help us choose what's best for our LOs, & advise us on sterilizing, feeding & quantities, different types of formula, etc, I dont think anyone will give a second look at those types of ads or seek advise frm formula manufacturing companies. At the end of the day, babies need to be fed, & formula is the only alternative available. I think if HV or MW accept the mother's choice frm day1 instead of trying to force what they believe in, & try to help mothers finding the right way to feed their babies according to their choice without trying to question their choice, we will have more happy mothers & babies with no guilt or struggling.


Agreed. I would love to see more support for FF mothers. Where I lived there was so much support for BF but when my LO wouldn't latch on there was no advice.

opposite of where I live then, you cant even get a brest pump in my town but loads of formula and bottles in chemist. There is no help groups near me, the one there is miles up the road no one goes to and is near non existent and my hv and doc dont have a clue about breastfeeding as I suffered with cracked nipples for months with no help when showing them. I got all my help from this forum and a lot of negativity where I live. Plenty of mums offered to educate me on changing to formula as no one I know has breastfed not even a family member. Its amazing the difference in areas isnt it. Its formula or nothing here where I am and I have no family that viist me and lost friends for not doing it.
 
My HV's, midwives etc have always called it formula feeding. It must be an area thing?! Maybe haha. :)
 
Aob is a close friend and she fully understood why I stopped bf infact she helped me get over my guilt. I am sure she meant no harm
I formula fed Aidan and i call it artificial. As thats what it is. It is artificially made as an alternative to bf
Xx

:hugs:
 
It's similar here. In all the doctors and clinics there are BF posters everywhere. When I was in hospital I had a MW come round every so often especially just to check on my latch. Someone came in and showed me how to make up a bottle. But that was the first and last thing I heard about FF.
 
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