Underhand tactics - formula companies

[NIfirsttimer]

Some people say formula, some people say artificial
Some people say couch, some people say sofa
Some people say pram some people say stroller

......... it's just what you are accustomed to.

People are not going to change how they naturally word things because of a forum.

i would?
if you told me that you were offended by me saying that your baby was born 'artificially' because you had a c section, then i wouldnt say it to you? in fact, didnt you post a reply in another thread yesterday saying 'id punch someone who told me i hadnt given birth'?
there are people out there who think nothing of calling our children b*****ds because they were born out of 'wedlock' it is the 'correct' term, the dictionary says so, but people would be offended by it, so its not used! come on, you need to look at the bigger picture here!

The difference bewteen us is that I don't really care if you did call it artificial.. Of course it wouldn't be the nicest of things to say, but there are bigger things in life to worry about rather than get upset at someone elses terminology.

I'm sorry, but I am used to the word artificial, mainly because of SCBU - it's not meant to offend, and I'm sorry that you take offence, but that's what I call it. Leni had a few feeds of artificial milk .. He was artificially fed .. I can't help but call it what I am used to. Who says I am not offended by the word formula?!?! Do you know what I mean? It could go on forever about who is offended by what word

im just pointing out your contradiction. you posted in another thread saying that you would punch someone in the face for suggesting that you hadnt given birth because you had a section..... clearly, you would be offended by that if you are going so far as to threaten violence, yet you show no consideration for the multiple ladies here who are offended by your repeated use of the term artificial feeding. perhaps you were used to it in scubu as tube feeding IS artificial feeding. the truth is that formula isnt artifical milk. its definetly milk, its just not HUMAN milk.....

you say there are bigger things to worry about than what we call formula.. yet you were clearly concerned at the giving birth thing, so yeah, thats a biggie for you, this is a biggie for us... why are you finding it so very hard to see a similarity there?

i dont want you to be sorry that i take offense, i just want you to show some bloody consideration and stop using it when you KNOW it offends people!

I'll try and explain this best i can but i can't go into too much detail as i'm juggling baby too! Re the post yesterday, you know full well that my 'threat of violence' was of course said in jest, and many others agreed with me. If someone said that to me in real life, i would feel extemely sorry for them, i wouldn't punch them.

To be honest, i had never even thought of calling a section an artificial birth until yesterday. It's not a biggie for me at all, i loved having a section and when i have another baby, i will ask for another! However you give birth, vaginally, medically, section, forceps it's STILL birth. Whatever way you look at it. I suppose you could call it artificial as i was helped, but at the end of the day Leni was born, i gave birth. Artificial milk is NOT breastmilk, hence why it's called artificial, it's man made, it's not the real thing. I would be contradicting myself if artificial milk was the same as breastmilk. However what ever way your baby was delivered, you give birth.

It's obvious that we don't agree and that's fine, but with all honesty i don't mean to offend, and like i have said a million times before it's what i am used to - you get used to alot in SCBU. I was there for 12 hours a day and i still call the little wash bowl a pipette

I'm happy to leave it here, but as you keep quoting me i cannot help but use the word artificial in my explanation

yeah, the thing is you arent even making sense tho.
giving birth by section isnt artifical because its still giving birth?
well, feeding formula isnt artifical feeding, its STILL FEEDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think that about sums up my point. tbh, i cant be annoyed discussing this with you anymore, you have confirmed to me time and time again that you arent willing to consider how other people feel about things, and instead just carry on the way you are, thats great, i just hope it doesnt all come crashing down around you like it does for many other people on here!

 

[Kitty23]

Hmmm I dont feel entirely happy with babies/young children modelling personally it seems like its just for the parents benefit... and pocket!

Its like that Toddlers and Tiara show does anyone else watch that? Some of the girls are so pushed into it because their mothers are living through them. If Poppy was old enough and wanted to do it I would let her but there's a difference from children chosing these things and getting pushed into it.

And it probably makes them focus more on their appearance than they should. It so sad to see these young girls with anorexic etc xxx

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Can I say in AOBs defence I am surw she didn't mean to cause offence with the term artificial. She is by no means judgemental about ff. We had a lengthy conversation at bf and ff last night and in the past and sge helped me overcome my guilt for failing at bf

On Aidans notes it said af and I didn't find it offencive not the nicest thing I prefer ff but I have heard referred in much less pleasant terms. Hugs too all
Xx

 

[bluebaby]

Ok i have a question for breast feeding mummies. If we had a world where formula was allowed to be advertised for any age group and your child was asked to model in these adverts would you let them?

nope and I see nothing wrong with saying no either as he isnt formula fed that would be a lie. Whats the point on pretending my child is fed that product when its not? I wouldn't let my son be in an ad or a model anyway and he has been offered a contract. I am proud of my son being able to breastfeed him and would show him in a breatsfeeding advert where it would be true how he was fed.

*waits for someone to take offence*

No offence taken, its good to get an answer. I know you said you wouldnt let him be a model anyway but would you apply the same principal to modeling throwaway nappies if you used re-useable nappies or vice versa

That's interesting. In all honesty then my gut reaction would be no, I wouldn't want my DD modeling formula. We no longer use cloth nappies and so do use disposables, but I think I would've let her model disposables (if I was letting her model!). Not entirely logical.

Life never is I do get what your saying. As a mum of a bottle fed baby I would have no problems with her modeling for formula, disposable nappies, baby food etc (thats if I was agreeable to modelling) as it is all baby related even although she doesn't use all of those things but if you are firmly against something then i can see why you wouldn't

 

[aob1013]

Some people say formula, some people say artificial
Some people say couch, some people say sofa
Some people say pram some people say stroller

......... it's just what you are accustomed to.

People are not going to change how they naturally word things because of a forum.

i would?
if you told me that you were offended by me saying that your baby was born 'artificially' because you had a c section, then i wouldnt say it to you? in fact, didnt you post a reply in another thread yesterday saying 'id punch someone who told me i hadnt given birth'?
there are people out there who think nothing of calling our children b*****ds because they were born out of 'wedlock' it is the 'correct' term, the dictionary says so, but people would be offended by it, so its not used! come on, you need to look at the bigger picture here!

The difference bewteen us is that I don't really care if you did call it artificial.. Of course it wouldn't be the nicest of things to say, but there are bigger things in life to worry about rather than get upset at someone elses terminology.

I'm sorry, but I am used to the word artificial, mainly because of SCBU - it's not meant to offend, and I'm sorry that you take offence, but that's what I call it. Leni had a few feeds of artificial milk .. He was artificially fed .. I can't help but call it what I am used to. Who says I am not offended by the word formula?!?! Do you know what I mean? It could go on forever about who is offended by what word

im just pointing out your contradiction. you posted in another thread saying that you would punch someone in the face for suggesting that you hadnt given birth because you had a section..... clearly, you would be offended by that if you are going so far as to threaten violence, yet you show no consideration for the multiple ladies here who are offended by your repeated use of the term artificial feeding. perhaps you were used to it in scubu as tube feeding IS artificial feeding. the truth is that formula isnt artifical milk. its definetly milk, its just not HUMAN milk.....

you say there are bigger things to worry about than what we call formula.. yet you were clearly concerned at the giving birth thing, so yeah, thats a biggie for you, this is a biggie for us... why are you finding it so very hard to see a similarity there?

i dont want you to be sorry that i take offense, i just want you to show some bloody consideration and stop using it when you KNOW it offends people!

I'll try and explain this best i can but i can't go into too much detail as i'm juggling baby too! Re the post yesterday, you know full well that my 'threat of violence' was of course said in jest, and many others agreed with me. If someone said that to me in real life, i would feel extemely sorry for them, i wouldn't punch them.

To be honest, i had never even thought of calling a section an artificial birth until yesterday. It's not a biggie for me at all, i loved having a section and when i have another baby, i will ask for another! However you give birth, vaginally, medically, section, forceps it's STILL birth. Whatever way you look at it. I suppose you could call it artificial as i was helped, but at the end of the day Leni was born, i gave birth. Artificial milk is NOT breastmilk, hence why it's called artificial, it's man made, it's not the real thing. I would be contradicting myself if artificial milk was the same as breastmilk. However what ever way your baby was delivered, you give birth.

It's obvious that we don't agree and that's fine, but with all honesty i don't mean to offend, and like i have said a million times before it's what i am used to - you get used to alot in SCBU. I was there for 12 hours a day and i still call the little wash bowl a pipette

I'm happy to leave it here, but as you keep quoting me i cannot help but use the word artificial in my explanation

yeah, the thing is you arent even making sense tho.
giving birth by section isnt artifical because its still giving birth?
well, feeding formula isnt artifical feeding, its STILL FEEDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i think that about sums up my point. tbh, i cant be annoyed discussing this with you anymore, you have confirmed to me time and time again that you arent willing to consider how other people feel about things, and instead just carry on the way you are, thats great, i just hope it doesnt all come crashing down around you like it does for many other people on here!

Yeah, we both don't understand each other.

Let's agree to disagree

 

[Faerie]

Ok i have a question for breast feeding mummies. If we had a world where formula was allowed to be advertised for any age group and your child was asked to model in these adverts would you let them?

nope and I see nothing wrong with saying no either as he isnt formula fed that would be a lie. Whats the point on pretending my child is fed that product when its not? I wouldn't let my son be in an ad or a model anyway and he has been offered a contract. I am proud of my son being able to breastfeed him and would show him in a breatsfeeding advert where it would be true how he was fed.

*waits for someone to take offence*

No offence taken, its good to get an answer. I know you said you wouldnt let him be a model anyway but would you apply the same principal to modeling throwaway nappies if you used re-useable nappies or vice versa

That's interesting. In all honesty then my gut reaction would be no, I wouldn't want my DD modeling formula. We no longer use cloth nappies and so do use disposables, but I think I would've let her model disposables (if I was letting her model!). Not entirely logical.

Life never is I do get what your saying. As a mum of a bottle fed baby I would have no problems with her modeling for formula, disposable nappies, baby food etc (thats if I was agreeable to modelling) as it is all baby related even although she doesn't use all of those things but if you are firmly against something then i can see why you wouldn't

See, I wouldn't let her model for baby food either, but that's just in case some came near me coz I'd retch

 

[Lu28]

Ok i have a question for breast feeding mummies. If we had a world where formula was allowed to be advertised for any age group and your child was asked to model in these adverts would you let them?

Aisling has had formula in her time, especially the first 5 weeks after birth due to latching problems and me needing to build up my supply. But I wouldn't let her be a model in something advertising formula simply because I feel it would be hypocritical for me to allow her to be involved in advertising something which she didn't use for the most part. I also to believe that promoting breastfeeding is important so I wouldnt' feel comfortable with us being involved in the promotion of formula. Not that I think anything is wrong with it because as I say we used it as a top up in the early days and on her cereal etc until she was a year old.

She also wears cloth nappies and I wouldn't let her be involved in an ad for sposies either, again because it's hypocritical to me.

ETA I also wouldn't let her model for purees either because although we did use them at first, we quickly switched to BLW which has been amazing for us whereas we found our month of purees to be a struggle.

 

[Blah11]

Ok i have a question for breast feeding mummies. If we had a world where formula was allowed to be advertised for any age group and your child was asked to model in these adverts would you let them?

Probably not if I'm being honest. I wouldnt want her to model at all though.

 

[crossroads]

Woah 115 pages

c-sectons, child modelling, wut?

 

[OmarsMum]

Afternoon ladies. What did I miss?

 

[Tasha]

YAY I read it all!!

I have had four babies, FF the first two, was going to BF the third but she grew her wings, then BF the fourth and went on to FF with her. Any way I have never received any advice with either FF or BF. I think cos it was my fourth I was BF they assumed I was competent when really for me it was all new.

I once asked a MW why I had never received advice about FF and she said they were allowed to talk about it but not promote it, the problem with that is where the line where advice ends and promotion starts is not set out in guidelines so some HCP just wont talk about it to avoid getting in trouble. Some schools do the same with homosexuality, they are allowed to discuss but not promote (or that was the case before) but avoid the subject completely because they dont want to be seen as promoting and get in trouble.

As for the artificial thing I would chose a completely different example; if some one has a certain disability the medical world might regard them as ******** that doesnt mean it is accepted as okay in wider society and most, if not all here would not go around using that word because they know it would cause offence. Medical terms are not there to be kind and think about peoples feelings.

About the OP, I can see what you are getting at. My opinion is the same as someone earlier it isnt underhand but clever marketing

And breath

 

[cherryglitter]

YAY I read it all!!

I have had four babies, FF the first two, was going to BF the third but she grew her wings, then BF the fourth and went on to FF with her. Any way I have never received any advice with either FF or BF. I think cos it was my fourth I was BF they assumed I was competent when really for me it was all new.

I once asked a MW why I had never received advice about FF and she said they were allowed to talk about it but not promote it, the problem with that is where the line where advice ends and promotion starts is not set out in guidelines so some HCP just wont talk about it to avoid getting in trouble. Some schools do the same with homosexuality, they are allowed to discuss but not promote (or that was the case before) but avoid the subject completely because they dont want to be seen as promoting and get in trouble.

As for the artificial thing I would chose a completely different example; if some one has a certain disability the medical world might regard them as ******** that doesnt mean it is accepted as okay in wider society and most, if not all here would not go around using that word because they know it would cause offence. Medical terms are not there to be kind and think about peoples feelings.

About the OP, I can see what you are getting at. My opinion is the same as someone earlier it isnt underhand but clever marketing

And breath

 

[Faerie]

YAY I read it all!!

I have had four babies, FF the first two, was going to BF the third but she grew her wings, then BF the fourth and went on to FF with her. Any way I have never received any advice with either FF or BF. I think cos it was my fourth I was BF they assumed I was competent when really for me it was all new.

I once asked a MW why I had never received advice about FF and she said they were allowed to talk about it but not promote it, the problem with that is where the line where advice ends and promotion starts is not set out in guidelines so some HCP just wont talk about it to avoid getting in trouble. Some schools do the same with homosexuality, they are allowed to discuss but not promote (or that was the case before) but avoid the subject completely because they dont want to be seen as promoting and get in trouble.

As for the artificial thing I would chose a completely different example; if some one has a certain disability the medical world might regard them as ******** that doesnt mean it is accepted as okay in wider society and most, if not all here would not go around using that word because they know it would cause offence. Medical terms are not there to be kind and think about peoples feelings.

About the OP, I can see what you are getting at. My opinion is the same as someone earlier it isnt underhand but clever marketing

And breath

Is your bum numb??? Know mine was after doing a mahoosive catch-up last night!

 

[Faerie]

Don't know if this would be allowed in the UK.... I just went out to get my post and there's a sample from Nesquik for "my first nesquik" which included a free little book. No where does it mention what age is it aimed at, but on the back there's a drawing of a toddler in a highchair drinking chocolate milk from a bottle. It claims mon premier nesquik helps your child to grow....

Hmmm.

 

[bubbles123]

I was going to say that Tasha! Medical terms are harsh. I will not quote as like you I do not want to cause offence but the perfectly correct (in that context) medical terms I have read about children's medical conditions/learning disabilities I would never dare say to their parents - it would be massively offensive to them. I think artificial feeding is similar. It says that in medical notes but all the HV's, midwives, Doctors etc I've ever met say formula to parents faces.

 

[AppleBlossom]

Exactly Tasha. The correct term for a child born out of wedlock is a b*stard but we don't use that as an everyday term to describe them do we? Same with the medical term for disabled people

 

[cupcake23]

Afternoon ladies. What did I miss?

It seems ALOT! Last time I actually read something on here I think I was around the 800 mark... better start catching up

 

[Sam9kids]

I give up trying to catch up!!!!!

 

[Tasha]

Is your bum numb??? Know mine was after doing a mahoosive catch-up last night!

Yes, 115 pages was a bit much in one sitting. LOL.

What I do get from it all though is that the reason it has the same sort of replies a few times (or as some people said going round in circles) is because every one wants there say, and the reason for that is a good one we are all passionate parents who just want the best for their baby's.

 

[Tasha]

Don't know if this would be allowed in the UK.... I just went out to get my post and there's a sample from Nesquik for "my first nesquik" which included a free little book. No where does it mention what age is it aimed at, but on the back there's a drawing of a toddler in a highchair drinking chocolate milk from a bottle. It claims mon premier nesquik helps your child to grow....

Hmmm.

It isnt allowed in the UK, we dont get samples of milk as that is promotion/advertising and against the law.

Sounds like that is giving confusing messages though.