Underhand tactics - formula companies

[smokey]

I thought this thread was about formula companies undermining breastfeeding and not who choose what to feed their baby ? Am I misunderstanding the thread then?
It is dissing breastfeeding the advice and if it where the other way because it wouldnt be expectable to dis formula. How many people would be annoyed at articles saying formula is this and that and not in a good light? as seen before there again would be war. So is it ok for a formula company who have worked for years to tarnish breastfeeding by in the past saying their product was better and continue to do things even agains the WHO code and break down woman's confidence in their abilities to breastfeed. This includes giving out wrong advice to mums who are trying to breastfeed and end up moving them to formula quicker than they should all because they trust them. This is how so many dont bother to try from listening to what they said which was wrong. They only make you think they have your child's best interest at heart by giving this bad info they will get your money at the end of it as this will influence some. Not everyone is so strong minded to ignore this., They arnt stupid . Their goal is to get you formula feeding your baby where as the breastfeeding mum wants to breastfeed but is sitting in the web of the formula company where she shouldnt be getting pulled in and made to feel she failed at breastfeeding where as she had gone to somewhere like LLL she would have had a better chance of succeeding.
we are not talking about a woman choosing to formula feed knowing all the facts its the influence on mums who want to breastfeed not some bf vs ff battle as usual.

Not singling this out particularly, but this is as far as I've got so far and it's interesting.

What I'd say though as a Mum who chose to BF, believed the misinformation the NHS gave me about how easy it was to BF, and then found myself in a situation where I needed to buy formula and had no idea which to use. Actually, a bit of info from the formula companies would have been a great help at this stage . We all want to give our kids the best we can, I couldn't give my DD breastmilk, so wanted to choose the 'best' formula. It's a mystery to everyone which is the best, if any, as they're just not allowed to talk about these things.

I see the point that by creating this helpline it is making pregnant mums familiar with their brand, in case they should need it. But that's the point, in case they need it. And all it takes is to walk down the baby aisle in the supermarket to see SMA, cow and Gate, Farleys etc, so we do get to see the various brands and become familiar with them before our baby is born in this way too.

I don't have a problem in a company trying to create brand loyalty with its target audience. No one is going to decide they don't want to BF just because they've been on a forum that is run by SMA. Unfortunatly the argument that we poor FFers are obviously a bit too thick to make our own minds up and have been brainwashed by formula companies is used a bit too often by some people who are anti.
It's a shame that aparantly some of the info on the website is wrong, but as I said I've never been given realistic honest info about breastfeeding from anyone apart from friends since they've done it themselves. The NHS told me its easy and might smart a bit, there's no reason anyone can't bfeed etc, same info from the NCT.

The main issue is women need proper help advice and info to prepare us for BFing and to help us while we're doing it, but I for one and grateful that SMA and other formula companies exist otherwise many babies would not be here today.

I know someone who doesn't care at all about the goodness of breastfeeding, she thinks its disgusting and point blank will tell me (which I think is rude). She is also the same woman who went and bought smokes instead of pain medication for her LO after having her tonsils removed! She is too thick and ignorant to made proper decisions with her children. You on the other hand needed to use formula for your child's wellbeing, it's different. The lady I know is a true example of not knowing much and putting herself before her children. She thinks of her boobs are just sexual, nothing else, which is from our society full of sex sex sex! She told me once it was gross and basically perverted to breastfeed past 12 months. I wanted to kick her in the face!

FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Most moms on here seem to have struggled one way or another when it comes to breastfeeding which is sad... I really do wish it came naturally and easy for everyone... And most moms on here who have chose formula did it with a heavy heart as they wanted to breastfeed which again, I wish it were easy for everyone. Almost all of the moms on here are doing what they believe to be the best for their children, and who are we to really tell them different I will give advice to a mom and try and help, and when given wrong information, I try and correct it (which can come off pushy) and I do believe breast is best and can also be pushy... but I do also believe we do what we believe to be best for our children and sometimes what we believe to be best has been influenced by advertising be it formula, diapers, food etc... I mean all this stuff on tv about the v fusion juice, I was going to buy them for my son to bring to school instead of juice boxes, and when I read how much sugar was in them compared to regular V8 I was shocked. They make it sound so healthy but the sugar is double the amount a child should have! I then bought the regular 1 veggie shot cans of V8. I think the formula companies should lay off the advertising... then again they won't make their money and that is what now seems to make the world go round. [/FONT]

But isnt that the point alot are trying to make, watch the adverts, ignore them, whatever but use your own common sense and judgment.
Read up and research the various things you are going to be buying or using dont just follow blindly like a sheep.
A good portion of mothers who change to ff know what they are doing, they have researched into what they are doing as much as possible and very likely gone into it all with an understanding and ackknlowlegment of what they are doing.
To assume an advert for ff is going to brainwash people into making an un informed judgment is accentialy calling them too stupid to know any better.

I didn't say anyone was too stupid to know better... I just said some people will end up making a choice, no matter if it is on formula, food, clothes etc... on adverts without doing their own research. I by no means said all, most or anything.

I didnt mean that you where saying this, I was just building on what you where saying about buying a product but then when you looked into it for yourself you found it to not be all it was advertised to be, im saying that all parents should be doing this, looking up and researching what they are being sold rather then blindly following an advert.
After it should be every parents responsability to to research such choices

 

[trumpetbum]

^^ WSS,
this was what i was trying to say a few pages back.... we all know home cooked is 'better' than jars, and that cloth is 'better' than sposies, and that being a SAHM is 'better' than going out to work all week, yet can somehow accept more easily that people have freedom of choice / other contributing factors in these cases, but cant with the BM / Fm thing!

I'd disagree that some of those things are better than others, I suppose each is debatable. On an individual level it's easy to accept that every person should have freedom of choice, and that each individual has factors which will impact on this decision. On a wider level it is even more important that the choice between bf/ff is informed and bfeeding isn't undermined because it poses such a significant public health issue.

 

[Tiff]

^^ WSS,
this was what i was trying to say a few pages back.... we all know home cooked is 'better' than jars, and that cloth is 'better' than sposies, and that being a SAHM is 'better' than going out to work all week, yet can somehow accept more easily that people have freedom of choice / other contributing factors in these cases, but cant with the BM / Fm thing!

I'd disagree that some of those things are better than others, I suppose each is debatable. On an individual level it's easy to accept that every person should have freedom of choice, and that each individual has factors which will impact on this decision. On a wider level it is even more important that the choice between bf/ff is informed and bfeeding isn't undermined because it poses such a significant public health issue.

Absolutely.

But in the same vein, more should be done as to promote the other basics as well. Like how much of an ecological impact disposable diapers have on our environment or pesticides on produce.

Again, I'm not trying to downplay the significance of breast milk but its hard for me to personally understand how someone (general) can make such bold statements about breast milk, but then not really care (outwardly?) about other stuff that is definitely important. We need to take care of our planet... otherwise there might not be anywhere outside that's safe enough to BF future babies.

If that makes sense?

 

[Eve]

I thought this thread was about formula companies undermining breastfeeding and not who choose what to feed their baby ? Am I misunderstanding the thread then?
It is dissing breastfeeding the advice and if it where the other way because it wouldnt be expectable to dis formula. How many people would be annoyed at articles saying formula is this and that and not in a good light? as seen before there again would be war. So is it ok for a formula company who have worked for years to tarnish breastfeeding by in the past saying their product was better and continue to do things even agains the WHO code and break down woman's confidence in their abilities to breastfeed. This includes giving out wrong advice to mums who are trying to breastfeed and end up moving them to formula quicker than they should all because they trust them. This is how so many dont bother to try from listening to what they said which was wrong. They only make you think they have your child's best interest at heart by giving this bad info they will get your money at the end of it as this will influence some. Not everyone is so strong minded to ignore this., They arnt stupid . Their goal is to get you formula feeding your baby where as the breastfeeding mum wants to breastfeed but is sitting in the web of the formula company where she shouldnt be getting pulled in and made to feel she failed at breastfeeding where as she had gone to somewhere like LLL she would have had a better chance of succeeding.
we are not talking about a woman choosing to formula feed knowing all the facts its the influence on mums who want to breastfeed not some bf vs ff battle as usual.

Not singling this out particularly, but this is as far as I've got so far and it's interesting.

What I'd say though as a Mum who chose to BF, believed the misinformation the NHS gave me about how easy it was to BF, and then found myself in a situation where I needed to buy formula and had no idea which to use. Actually, a bit of info from the formula companies would have been a great help at this stage . We all want to give our kids the best we can, I couldn't give my DD breastmilk, so wanted to choose the 'best' formula. It's a mystery to everyone which is the best, if any, as they're just not allowed to talk about these things.

I see the point that by creating this helpline it is making pregnant mums familiar with their brand, in case they should need it. But that's the point, in case they need it. And all it takes is to walk down the baby aisle in the supermarket to see SMA, cow and Gate, Farleys etc, so we do get to see the various brands and become familiar with them before our baby is born in this way too.

I don't have a problem in a company trying to create brand loyalty with its target audience. No one is going to decide they don't want to BF just because they've been on a forum that is run by SMA. Unfortunatly the argument that we poor FFers are obviously a bit too thick to make our own minds up and have been brainwashed by formula companies is used a bit too often by some people who are anti.
It's a shame that aparantly some of the info on the website is wrong, but as I said I've never been given realistic honest info about breastfeeding from anyone apart from friends since they've done it themselves. The NHS told me its easy and might smart a bit, there's no reason anyone can't bfeed etc, same info from the NCT.

The main issue is women need proper help advice and info to prepare us for BFing and to help us while we're doing it, but I for one and grateful that SMA and other formula companies exist otherwise many babies would not be here today.

I know someone who doesn't care at all about the goodness of breastfeeding, she thinks its disgusting and point blank will tell me (which I think is rude). She is also the same woman who went and bought smokes instead of pain medication for her LO after having her tonsils removed! She is too thick and ignorant to made proper decisions with her children. You on the other hand needed to use formula for your child's wellbeing, it's different. The lady I know is a true example of not knowing much and putting herself before her children. She thinks of her boobs are just sexual, nothing else, which is from our society full of sex sex sex! She told me once it was gross and basically perverted to breastfeed past 12 months. I wanted to kick her in the face!

FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Most moms on here seem to have struggled one way or another when it comes to breastfeeding which is sad... I really do wish it came naturally and easy for everyone... And most moms on here who have chose formula did it with a heavy heart as they wanted to breastfeed which again, I wish it were easy for everyone. Almost all of the moms on here are doing what they believe to be the best for their children, and who are we to really tell them different I will give advice to a mom and try and help, and when given wrong information, I try and correct it (which can come off pushy) and I do believe breast is best and can also be pushy... but I do also believe we do what we believe to be best for our children and sometimes what we believe to be best has been influenced by advertising be it formula, diapers, food etc... I mean all this stuff on tv about the v fusion juice, I was going to buy them for my son to bring to school instead of juice boxes, and when I read how much sugar was in them compared to regular V8 I was shocked. They make it sound so healthy but the sugar is double the amount a child should have! I then bought the regular 1 veggie shot cans of V8. I think the formula companies should lay off the advertising... then again they won't make their money and that is what now seems to make the world go round. [/FONT]

But isnt that the point alot are trying to make, watch the adverts, ignore them, whatever but use your own common sense and judgment.
Read up and research the various things you are going to be buying or using dont just follow blindly like a sheep.
A good portion of mothers who change to ff know what they are doing, they have researched into what they are doing as much as possible and very likely gone into it all with an understanding and ackknlowlegment of what they are doing.
To assume an advert for ff is going to brainwash people into making an un informed judgment is accentialy calling them too stupid to know any better.

I didn't say anyone was too stupid to know better... I just said some people will end up making a choice, no matter if it is on formula, food, clothes etc... on adverts without doing their own research. I by no means said all, most or anything.

I didnt mean that you where saying this, I was just building on what you where saying about buying a product but then when you looked into it for yourself you found it to not be all it was advertised to be, im saying that all parents should be doing this, looking up and researching what they are being sold rather then blindly following an advert.
After it should be every parents responsability to to research such choices

OKay, that makes me feel better...

I just checked their website and the V8 splash has less sugar than the V fusion... less fruit in it I assume?

Less fruit, probably. The main problem is the type of sugars. It's the same thing with fats. None are great in excess, but some are good for you in moderation. The ' corn industry' did a run of sly ads here awhile back making out that high fructose corn syrup is as good as any other natural sweetener which just ain't so, but people will remember the ads and believe it, rather than do a little research and come to their own conclusions.

Tangentially, I had one of those women who give out food samples in stores try to tell me that a chocolate covered crisp thing was as good as an apple because they had the same amount of calories. I just laughed at her and said, "seriously? No," before continuing on my way.

Those HFCS ads drove me nuts! Aside from being misinformative, they were so condescending, if we're thinking of the same ones. Where they had the mom who didn't want her kid eating/drinking stuff with HFCS in it, and the other mom asked why, and the first mom was like "Oooh... because... mmm derrrr...." Maybe some people truly just jumped on the bandwagon and didn't know why to avoid it, but how insulting to those of us who made the informed decision!

It drove me nuts too!!

^^ WSS,
this was what i was trying to say a few pages back.... we all know home cooked is 'better' than jars, and that cloth is 'better' than sposies, and that being a SAHM is 'better' than going out to work all week, yet can somehow accept more easily that people have freedom of choice / other contributing factors in these cases, but cant with the BM / Fm thing!

I'd disagree that some of those things are better than others, I suppose each is debatable. On an individual level it's easy to accept that every person should have freedom of choice, and that each individual has factors which will impact on this decision. On a wider level it is even more important that the choice between bf/ff is informed and bfeeding isn't undermined because it poses such a significant public health issue.

Absolutely.

But in the same vein, more should be done as to promote the other basics as well. Like how much of an ecological impact disposable diapers have on our environment or pesticides on produce.

Again, I'm not trying to downplay the significance of breast milk but its hard for me to personally understand how someone (general) can make such bold statements about breast milk, but then not really care (outwardly?) about other stuff that is definitely important. We need to take care of our planet... otherwise there might not be anywhere outside that's safe enough to BF future babies.

If that makes sense?

I definitely get what you mean. I'm very pro-bfing... like I said before, but seriously... what good is breastfeeding when we can't move due to too much garbage and pollution etc... they are all very serious things. Yes breastfeeding is highly important to our health, but so is the ozone layer Imagine if everyone car pooled, or used public transit, recycled and reused, everything went back to being organic! Our world would be such a better place

 

[trumpetbum]

Absolutely and I doubt that many people are only passionate regarding one issue in isolation. However, some of the issues highlighted have arguably more of an impact on overall health as a society than others.
I use reusables but have seen arguments that reusables may have a similar impact to disposables in many ways, that more ecologically sound disposables may offer a better solution than reusables.
Home cooked meals might be said to be 'better' than jars only if the person has sufficient knowledge regarding the nutritional needs of the child. Has this been highlighted as a major health issue and what would the evidence be, for instance? Not really asking just highlighting why I don't necessarily feel that the two can be compared.
Sahm/wahm well that's a whole other can of worms.
My point really is that one would need to make a convincing argument regarding the impact of each decision on society as a whole to warrant the same attention to changing public attitudes or inhibiting practices which may be seen to undermine each such as the advertising being discussed in this post. Unlike the breastfeeding issue which has accumulated a wealth of evidence to support the claim that higher breastfeeding rates have a positive impact on health and therefore the resources of a society.
I hasten to add, that I am referring to breastfeeding as an issue overall as opposed to judgement on individual choices. On an individual basis all these issues are personal choices and absolutely nothing to do with anyone other than those charged with the responsibility for the child.


AND I have to apologise if this post makes little sense as it is quarter to two in the morning and I just realised my eyes are nipping in my head. Time to sign off soon I think.

 

[BlackBerry25]

Well, I forgot about this thread

Anyways,

I physically could not breast feed as I had my nipples pierced. It rejected and I had major scar tissue. I got mastitis as my boob was so blocked. Also I had gallstones and could only eat white bread and that's about it so I lost 30 pounds in one week while pumping, as I just was putting out more energy than taking in.


LLL recommended I stop.


I don't think people back in the day had nipple piercings

 

[Rach27]

I'd disagree that some of those things are better than others, I suppose each is debatable. On an individual level it's easy to accept that every person should have freedom of choice, and that each individual has factors which will impact on this decision. On a wider level it is even more important that the choice between bf/ff is informed and bfeeding isn't undermined because it poses such a significant public health issue.

Exactly WSS.

 

[bambino156]

I can fully appreciate that there are potential public health issues posed by not bf, but realistically how common are these and to what extent? Considering the very high levels of obesity in the children and adults of our society today, I feel that the potential, none the less significant, public health issues raised by not bf are really just the tip of the iceberg iykwim?

 

[OmarsMum]

I can fully appreciate that there are potential public health issues posed by not bf, but realistically how common are these and to what extent? Considering the very high levels of obesity in the children and adults of our society today, I feel that the potential, none the less significant, public health issues raised by not bf are really just the tip of the iceberg iykwim?

I dont think u can link obesity to FFing. We'r 4, my mom BF 3 of us for 2 yrs & we were all overweight as teenagers. One of my brothers was combination fed for 6 mnths, then FF. He's the only one who didnt have any weight issues xx

 

[bambino156]

I can fully appreciate that there are potential public health issues posed by not bf, but realistically how common are these and to what extent? Considering the very high levels of obesity in the children and adults of our society today, I feel that the potential, none the less significant, public health issues raised by not bf are really just the tip of the iceberg iykwim?

I dont think u can link obesity to FFing. We'r 4, my mom BF 3 of us for 2 yrs & we were all overweight as teenagers. One of my brothers was combination fed for 6 mnths, then FF. He's the only one who didnt have any weight issues xx

Sorry if you misunderstood what I meant, I wasn't linking ff to obesity. I was just trying to illustrate that whilst not bf may lead to more strain on the NHS, imo obesity in children and adults is an as big if not bigger issue.

 

[OmarsMum]

I can fully appreciate that there are potential public health issues posed by not bf, but realistically how common are these and to what extent? Considering the very high levels of obesity in the children and adults of our society today, I feel that the potential, none the less significant, public health issues raised by not bf are really just the tip of the iceberg iykwim?

I dont think u can link obesity to FFing. We'r 4, my mom BF 3 of us for 2 yrs & we were all overweight as teenagers. One of my brothers was combination fed for 6 mnths, then FF. He's the only one who didnt have any weight issues xx

Sorry if you misunderstood what I meant, I wasn't linking ff to obesity. I was just trying to illustrate that whilst not bf may lead to more strain on the NHS, imo obesity in children and adults is an as big if not bigger issue.

Thanks for clarifying. Omar is big although he's not a big eater or drinker. Some how, all my friends with smaller babies link his size to ffing, which doesnt make sense to me.

 

[bambino156]

I can fully appreciate that there are potential public health issues posed by not bf, but realistically how common are these and to what extent? Considering the very high levels of obesity in the children and adults of our society today, I feel that the potential, none the less significant, public health issues raised by not bf are really just the tip of the iceberg iykwim?

I dont think u can link obesity to FFing. We'r 4, my mom BF 3 of us for 2 yrs & we were all overweight as teenagers. One of my brothers was combination fed for 6 mnths, then FF. He's the only one who didnt have any weight issues xx

Sorry if you misunderstood what I meant, I wasn't linking ff to obesity. I was just trying to illustrate that whilst not bf may lead to more strain on the NHS, imo obesity in children and adults is an as big if not bigger issue.

Thanks for clarifying. Omar is big although he's not a big eater or drinker. Some how, all my friends with smaller babies link his size to ffing, which doesnt make sense to me.

I have heard that ff babies tend to be bigger and bf babies tend to be leaner, maybe this is why your friends link Omar's size to ff? I just think all babies are so different, I have a friend whose lo is 4mths old, exclusively bf and is almost 17lbs! x

 

[bky]

I read up to page 50 or so a few days ago, but have been short on time to read or reply since then, so apologies if this has been mentioned before.

Not ever really having seen formula ads (lived without TV for a long while, and now have seen stage 2 ads or whatever) and coming from an exclusive breastfeeding family I find it interesting that even I'm aware of formula propaganda. Formula helps your baby sleep through the night, it's easier etc. This was stuff I sort of thought was true before using formula myself. Though tbh the easier is a bit of a false economy. I can see how it would be easier to start with, but it's certainly not long term.

Those aren't necessarily true but are widely believed. I still can't figure out where I picked that 'knowledge' up, not really having known anyone who FF. Just that word of mouth 'advertising' is enough for most people desperate for sleep with a new baby. I mean, we all know formula exists without advertising so in that way I'm glad it isn't advertised.

On the other hand I wish formula companies could be trusted to advertise responsibly--comparing themselves in relation to each other for instance. Like toothpaste or something. Going to choose formula was an experience I felt totally lost during (and I couldn't get any advice from my MW). And reading the ingredients kind of made it worse.

For the record I don't fit well into either camp. I feed my baby formula through a tube taped to my breast. Which just means everyone thinks I'm weird.

 

[Eve]

I guess a FF baby has a higher risk to become overweight compared to a breastfed baby, but in this day and age, we all have a high risk of it, so I think there is a lot more to it than breastfeeding in preventing obesity in children and adults. I seen on an article the average family in the UK has take out once a week. This week, with shopping and being busy, we have had it twice ! I guess the physical differences are most dominant between a BF baby and aa FF baby until 18 months, then physically you usually can't see any differences, and they said that was size. A FF baby will usually bulk up quicker than a BF baby... This is just things I have read, my own personal opinion is----

Sometimes FF babies are big, and sometimes they aren't. Some BF babies are really big too LOL I think that depends more on how they are being fed (ie. overfeeding in general with formula, not the type of food) on if they are really big or not. Maybe FF really can cause obesity in adults, I'm over weight and was FF, but I am only one person too.. and hell, I like to eat! Could be that too?

 

[Tiff]

Totally agree, there are larger BF and FF babies these days.

Although tbh, I don't believe in an overweight "baby". Isn't the guideline to not worry about their weight until they are over the age of two?

 

[Mum2b_Claire]

I think it's easier for a bottlefed baby (whether formula or EBM) to take more milk than they need because it is so much less work for them to bottle feed than to breastfeed. They are less likely to act upon their natural feelings of fullness and stop because it is so easy to go on eating. If one overrides their natural feeling of fullness enough times I think it becomes more difficult to know when one is full (I say 'one' because it can apply equally to babies, adults and children)
That's the only way I understand it anyway, I don't think it is formula itself that has the link with possibly causing obesity.
Happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

 

[OmarsMum]

I think it's easier for a bottlefed baby (whether formula or EBM) to take more milk than they need because it is so much less work for them to bottle feed than to breastfeed. They are less likely to act upon their natural feelings of fullness and stop because it is so easy to go on eating. If one overrides their natural feeling of fullness enough times I think it becomes more difficult to know when one is full (I say 'one' because it can apply equally to babies, adults and children)
That's the only way I understand it anyway, I don't think it is formula itself that has the link with possibly causing obesity.
Happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

But it said that u can never over feed a baby. they throw up if they'r overfed. Omar is FF since day 1 & he always took much less than the recomended. With bottle feeding (EBM or formula), quantities r usually controlled & mothers r usually very coutious when it comes to quantities.

My cousin's daughter was exclusively BF & jumped frm 2nd percentile @ birth to 99th at 3 mnths. Her Dr advised her mother to express to control quantities.

 

[Eve]

I think it's easier for a bottlefed baby (whether formula or EBM) to take more milk than they need because it is so much less work for them to bottle feed than to breastfeed. They are less likely to act upon their natural feelings of fullness and stop because it is so easy to go on eating. If one overrides their natural feeling of fullness enough times I think it becomes more difficult to know when one is full (I say 'one' because it can apply equally to babies, adults and children)
That's the only way I understand it anyway, I don't think it is formula itself that has the link with possibly causing obesity.
Happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

But it said that u can never over feed a baby. they throw up if they'r overfed. Omar is FF since day 1 & he always took much less than the recomended. With bottle feeding (EBM or formula), quantities r usually controlled & mothers r usually very coutious when it comes to quantities.

My cousin's daughter was exclusively BF & jumped frm 2nd percentile @ birth to 99th at 3 mnths. Her Dr advised her mother to express to control quantities.

Wow! I didn't think someone would recommend expressing with breastmilk, I keep getting told you can't overfeed a breastfed baby.

I know a girl who has a 9 month old who is 32lbs... and he isn't long. He is around 26.5 inches long... he is really really really big! His mom feeds him constantly though, and when he was a new baby she was giving him food every time he cried, even if it was only 30 minutes since eating. I believe he is being overfed. I know lots of other moms who are all FFing and their babies are chubby but not big like the other one.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I FF's Aidan and he has never been chubby. He is on the lower percentile for weight as is my friends baby. I don't think the way you feed has anything to do with it. I just think it's different for each individiual baby and how fast their motabolism is
xx

 

[hivechild]

I think it's easier for a bottlefed baby (whether formula or EBM) to take more milk than they need because it is so much less work for them to bottle feed than to breastfeed. They are less likely to act upon their natural feelings of fullness and stop because it is so easy to go on eating. If one overrides their natural feeling of fullness enough times I think it becomes more difficult to know when one is full (I say 'one' because it can apply equally to babies, adults and children)
That's the only way I understand it anyway, I don't think it is formula itself that has the link with possibly causing obesity.
Happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

But it said that u can never over feed a baby. they throw up if they'r overfed. Omar is FF since day 1 & he always took much less than the recomended. With bottle feeding (EBM or formula), quantities r usually controlled & mothers r usually very coutious when it comes to quantities.

My cousin's daughter was exclusively BF & jumped frm 2nd percentile @ birth to 99th at 3 mnths. Her Dr advised her mother to express to control quantities.

Just like an adult, I think it's possible to eat more than you need without consuming enough too make you sick, which I believe is what Claire is trying to say. The flow from a bottle is faster and requires less work, so by the time a baby realizes that oops, they're full, they may have had maybe a half oz or so more than they really needed, and then mummy meaning well holds the bottle to their mouth saying "are you sure you're done?"and out of instinct baby takes a few more sucks before saying, "yep, done." Overall, it's not enough to make them sick, but it's just enough to leave them with that Sunday roast dinner feeling of full. I'm obviously not saying this is a given and always happens, but I can see how it can. At the breast a baby has to work to get milk and if they are done, they're done and there is no convincing them otherwise. They can also comfort suckle at the breast at any time during a feed which slows the feeding enough for their bodies to send the message that enough is enough.

Oh, and that is crazy advice from a doctor about expressing, especially since it would just end up increasing her supply after a few days.