Underhand tactics - formula companies

[Rach27]

Well, I am sorry if what I posted did offend. I was only trying to back up the piece of info, as I'm sure if I didn't, someone would have accused me of making it up!!

I can see your point though.

 

[bathbabe]

I think the risks of obesity are lower in breastfed babies is true and thats what i see for myself.

Why is it ok in here for people to put down breast milk and not formula? soon as someone posts something on formula theres an outcry yet its ok for everyone to comment on how they think breast milk dosnt really work on this and that when there are proven studies. When formula studies are posted its scare mongering.

Thats just something I noticed in here. If you dont think something in brestmilk is true then why cant anyone say anything about formula not being perfect?

Nobody has said formula is better than breastmilk! Everybody knows breast is best! We have it rammed down our throats enough. Nobody is going to agree on here because everybody will defend the way we feed our children! I FF, but if you want to BF thats your choice, i dont care. It doesnt matter to me whether a child is FF or BF, its getting fed. And i CERTAINLY wouldnt slag off anybody for the way they feed their child.

 

[MrsT&Ben]

Nobody has said formula is better than breastmilk! Everybody knows breast is best! We have it rammed down our throats enough. Nobody is going to agree on here because everybody will defend the way we feed our children! I FF, but if you want to BF thats your choice, i dont care. It doesnt matter to me whether a child is FF or BF, its getting fed. And i CERTAINLY wouldnt slag off anybody for the way they feed their child.

WELL SAID THAT LADY!!!
I can't believe this post is STILL going. Everyone as different opinions. I FF my son and I dont feel guilty about it. He's happy and healthy and thats all I care about.

 

[IvyBaby]

Maybe I should clarify that I was pointing out I thought much has been said over the years about FF (and BF for that matter) in the media, by doctors, by many 'powers that be' but that the majority of it is conjecture as they just don't know!!

I have fed my child formula FFS!!!! However, I am very sorry if that did offend you.

Here are some other articles which are also highly ranked by Google.

Breastmilk in NOT better than formula

Mums told formula milk is good for babies

I find these quite offensive, having struggled so much with BF'ing. This is like being told it wasn't worth it!! You have to take it all with a pinch of salt!

Yes, but my point is that I wouldn't post it up as I know that it would potentially frighten someone.

If somebody is easily frightened by information (good or bad) they, in my opinion, should not be spending any time on internet.
It seems in this thread a lot of people are just trying to show that they are morally superior to others and there is no chance for a good discussion to develop.

 

[Rach27]

If somebody is easily frightened by information (good or bad) they, in my opinion, should not be spending any time on internet...

I must say I do agree with that. Plus isn't it good to be aware of as much info (both 'true' scientific literature & sensationalised media) as possible, in order to form your own views?

 

[Dopeyjopey]

There is one thing i don't understand. I'd like to say that i am asking this genuinely out of curiosity, not to make any kind of point

It is quite obvious that there are lots of people here that tried BF and were sad about having to use formula when it didn't work out (understandably ). I can see that is because you wanted the best for your child and did what you could to provide that. What i don't get is why there is such debate when we're all agreeing that BFing, when possible, is what's ideal. Some people just choose different words (such as saying BM is superior)

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

This thread has gone so so well. Really hope it doesn't turn into an argument
xx

 

[IvyBaby]

If somebody is easily frightened by information (good or bad) they, in my opinion, should not be spending any time on internet...

I must say I do agree with that. Plus isn't it good to be aware of as much info (both 'true' scientific literature & sensationalised media) as possible, in order to form your own views?

Exactly. Also this forum is for advice, support and...discussion. We are not little children any more that we can accept only censored information! Of course, swearing and advertising should not be acceptable here, but everything else is a normal interaction among adults who come here to learn more or share about parenthood

 

[smokey]

I think the risks of obesity are lower in breastfed babies is true and thats what i see for myself.

Why is it ok in here for people to put down breast milk and not formula? soon as someone posts something on formula theres an outcry yet its ok for everyone to comment on how they think breast milk dosnt really work on this and that when there are proven studies. When formula studies are posted its scare mongering.

Thats just something I noticed in here. If you dont think something in brestmilk is true then why cant anyone say anything about formula not being perfect?

I left this alone for a few days as I thought I had learnt all I was going to from it but please back this up with where you have heard anyone on here claim what you are stating, where has anyone been putting down breastmilk.

And even if someone had said anything along these lines just because one person thinks somthing dont lable all ff as having the same oppinions or thinking that same way.
Too many people here are getting annoyed with one persons post and insulting all bf or ff in retaleation.
(this isnt to just you dragonfly this is to everyone) Stop taring everyone with the same brush of what your oppionin of "the other side" is.
Stop making out like all the "otherside" is all against "your side"
Its not a war, we where all given brains for a reason so use them.
Why does it have to come back to you offended me so im going to find a way to offend you.

 

[Dragonfly]

I think the risks of obesity are lower in breastfed babies is true and thats what i see for myself.

Why is it ok in here for people to put down breast milk and not formula? soon as someone posts something on formula theres an outcry yet its ok for everyone to comment on how they think breast milk dosnt really work on this and that when there are proven studies. When formula studies are posted its scare mongering.

Thats just something I noticed in here. If you dont think something in brestmilk is true then why cant anyone say anything about formula not being perfect?

I left this alone for a few days as I thought I had learnt all I was going to from it but please back this up with where you have heard anyone on here claim what you are stating, where has anyone been putting down breastmilk.

And even if someone had said anything along these lines just because one person thinks somthing dont lable all ff as having the same oppinions or thinking that same way.
Too many people here are getting annoyed with one persons post and insulting all bf or ff in retaleation.
(this isnt to just you dragonfly this is to everyone) Stop taring everyone with the same brush of what your oppionin of "the other side" is.
Stop making out like all the "otherside" is all against "your side"
Its not a war, we where all given brains for a reason so use them.
Why does it have to come back to you offended me so im going to find a way to offend you.

Actually now I feel tarred when I shouldnt be, I do not think less of the "other side " as you call it but I see a few here saying the obesity thing and breastfeeding is crap basically, its their opinion but if I had an opinion on formula not being good at this and that it would be classed as offensive. It does seem ok for some to speculate on how breastfeeding dosnt do this and that despite the studies yet post something on how formula dosnt do this and that and its offensive. Not talking about link that was posted a few pages back. I am being careful in what i say here as I dont want to offend anyone by even using an example of something that would be along the lines of formula isnt as good as you think just like what was said about breast milk on page 148.

Its just how I see things and if you think thats wrong then ok, but how it looks from this end.

 

[smokey]

I think the risks of obesity are lower in breastfed babies is true and thats what i see for myself.

Why is it ok in here for people to put down breast milk and not formula? soon as someone posts something on formula theres an outcry yet its ok for everyone to comment on how they think breast milk dosnt really work on this and that when there are proven studies. When formula studies are posted its scare mongering.

Thats just something I noticed in here. If you dont think something in brestmilk is true then why cant anyone say anything about formula not being perfect?

I left this alone for a few days as I thought I had learnt all I was going to from it but please back this up with where you have heard anyone on here claim what you are stating, where has anyone been putting down breastmilk.

And even if someone had said anything along these lines just because one person thinks somthing dont lable all ff as having the same oppinions or thinking that same way.
Too many people here are getting annoyed with one persons post and insulting all bf or ff in retaleation.
(this isnt to just you dragonfly this is to everyone) Stop taring everyone with the same brush of what your oppionin of "the other side" is.
Stop making out like all the "otherside" is all against "your side"
Its not a war, we where all given brains for a reason so use them.
Why does it have to come back to you offended me so im going to find a way to offend you.

Actually now I feel tarred when I shouldnt be, I do not think less of the "other side " as you call it but I see a few here saying the obesity thing and breastfeeding is crap basically, its their opinion but if I had an opinion on formula not being good at this and that it would be classed as offensive. It does seem ok for some to speculate on how breastfeeding dosnt do this and that despite the studies yet post something on how formula dosnt do this and that and its offensive. Not talking about link that was posted a few pages back. I am being careful in what i say here as I dont want to offend anyone by even using an example of something that would be along the lines of formula isnt as good as you think just like what was said about breast milk on page 148.

Its just how I see things and if you think thats wrong then ok, but how it looks from this end.

How can you feel tarred, I clearly stated this was for everyone not just you, only the first bit about where had you seen this sort of thing was aimed at you.
Maybe I should have put it in two seperate posts to make that more clear so im sorry for that.
Stating an oppinion of bf and ff being/not being linked to obesity (somthing stated yes and no by both sides) is not an attack on bf and I realy dont understand how anyone can view it as such so why get deffensive about that?

As for the link you mentioned that was somthing linked by a bf to prove a point of how the media riles up both sides (why anyone pays attention to that tosh is beyond me) so again why should that result in a deffensive stance?

 

[Dragonfly]

I am sorry its how i feel I dont feel its fair on both ends in here at all. if I had an opinion on formula that wasnt good it wouldnt be exceptable where as its ok for others to have an opinion on breastfeeding that isnt positive either. I am crap at explaining myself so I probably am not coming out the best. And you did say not just me so that kinda put me in that category of tarring etc I dont want a war, not everyone is going to see what I see, you see it differently and a lot will but thats just what I seen.

 

[smokey]

(again this isnt just one person but a few seperate people I have seen posting)
Attitudes such as "thats the problem with you bf" and "thats what annoys me about ff" keep cropping up too much.
Why slate a whole population of people just because one or two have upset you.

 

[Rach27]

There is one thing i don't understand. I'd like to say that i am asking this genuinely out of curiosity, not to make any kind of point

It is quite obvious that there are lots of people here that tried BF and were sad about having to use formula when it didn't work out (understandably ). I can see that is because you wanted the best for your child and did what you could to provide that. What i don't get is why there is such debate when we're all agreeing that BFing, when possible, is what's ideal. Some people just choose different words (such as saying BM is superior)

Good question.

Perhaps because, while it is the best 'substance', circumstances may mean BF is not ideal. So therefore not ideal for a particular individual?

 

[Dragonfly]

(again this isnt just one person but a few seperate people I have seen posting)
Attitudes such as "thats the problem with you bf" and "thats what annoys me about ff" keep cropping up too much.
Why slate a whole population of people just because one or two have upset you.

I am not slating a whole population I am lost now. My head is fried today not much sleep.

 

[smokey]

There is one thing i don't understand. I'd like to say that i am asking this genuinely out of curiosity, not to make any kind of point

It is quite obvious that there are lots of people here that tried BF and were sad about having to use formula when it didn't work out (understandably ). I can see that is because you wanted the best for your child and did what you could to provide that. What i don't get is why there is such debate when we're all agreeing that BFing, when possible, is what's ideal. Some people just choose different words (such as saying BM is superior)

I think its because some who havnt come to terms with how they had to change and realy didnt want to feel its a slap in the face and others who have accepted ff feel it is a dig.
And then there is others who accept bm is the better option but it just wasnt realy an option for them so they just did what was best for their baby ie feeding them however its done.

 

[IvyBaby]

(again this isnt just one person but a few seperate people I have seen posting)
Attitudes such as "thats the problem with you bf" and "thats what annoys me about ff" keep cropping up too much.
Why slate a whole population of people just because one or two have upset you.

I am not slating a whole population I am lost now. My head is fried today not much sleep.

 

[smokey]

(again this isnt just one person but a few seperate people I have seen posting)
Attitudes such as "thats the problem with you bf" and "thats what annoys me about ff" keep cropping up too much.
Why slate a whole population of people just because one or two have upset you.

I am not slating a whole population I am lost now. My head is fried today not much sleep.

Where did I say you, this post was aimed as a general huff, I even stated as such in it by saying this was aimed at a few seperate people ie those that have already made such comments.
Its was ment as in why does it always have to come back to a them and us thing.
If you took this as being aimed at you personaly them im sorry but it wasnt.

 

[Dragonfly]

(again this isnt just one person but a few seperate people I have seen posting)
Attitudes such as "thats the problem with you bf" and "thats what annoys me about ff" keep cropping up too much.
Why slate a whole population of people just because one or two have upset you.

I am not slating a whole population I am lost now. My head is fried today not much sleep.

Where did I say you, this post was aimed as a general huff, I even stated as such in it by saying this was aimed at a few seperate people ie those that have already made such comments.
Its was ment as in why does it always have to come back to a them and us thing.
If you took this as being aimed at you personaly them im sorry but it wasnt.

I get you now, and I do understand what you mean,. stupid divide going on

 

[Rach27]

(again this isnt just one person but a few seperate people I have seen posting)
Attitudes such as "thats the problem with you bf" and "thats what annoys me about ff" keep cropping up too much.
Why slate a whole population of people just because one or two have upset you.

I'm not sure she was referring to all FF, more in the context of an observation of what she'd read on here.

I agree that sweeping statements and direct attacks are not helpful so let's keep them out of here if we can.