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[louandivy]

What about that EDL supporter who tried to blow up a mosque? Was he ever labelled a terrorist? Was there a mass hysteria and serious reaction from the government about the threat of terrorism on the Muslim community?

 

[Ceejay123]

I'm watching the news about it now - awful, absolutely awful.

 

[summer rain]

There have been several EDL/BNP supporters arrested with vast hauls of weapons and definite plans to kill en masse Muslims and in one case, Jews. At least one had plans to kill the prime minister and overthrow the government as well. Several are now in prison though surprise surprise most of them it isn't on terrorism charges but on more minor 'conspiracy to cause explosions' type charges. When these men were caught the story barely made the local newspapers let alone national ones. Xx

 

[smileyfaces]

By the way two weeks ago in Birmingham an elderly defenceless Muslim man of Pakistani origin was set upon and stabbed with a machete or similar, possibly by more than one individual in what police believe to be a racially and religiously motivated and planned attack as he was coming out of the mosque at the time. He was stabbed so brutally that they put whatever blade they used right through his body, yet this story has barely made the newspapers and was only briefly on the TV news. It could well have been organised far right behaviour but no suggestion has been made of it being terrorism or extremism in any way xx

What about that EDL supporter who tried to blow up a mosque? Was he ever labelled a terrorist? Was there a mass hysteria and serious reaction from the government about the threat of terrorism on the Muslim community?

There have been several EDL/BNP supporters arrested with vast hauls of weapons and definite plans to kill en masse Muslims and in one case, Jews. At least one had plans to kill the prime minister and overthrow the government as well. Several are now in prison though surprise surprise most of them it isn't on terrorism charges but on more minor 'conspiracy to cause explosions' type charges. When these men were caught the story barely made the local newspapers let alone national ones. Xx

I hadn't heard about any of this I must agree, its appalling.

 

[Missy86]

I have just seen on the mail that the 2 men are British born and don't seem to have terror links to Nigeria

 

[Raven24]

what has happened is abhorrent but I too said to hubby last night would they even be calling it terrorism if two white men had committed the crime?
something seems really off with this story

 

[LoolaBear]

I am from the military side of life, My dad has been in the army since he was 16, I work on a military base, my brother served in Afghanistan at the very beginning of the war there, he and i have lost alot of friends whilst they were serving. i work amongst soldiers just like the one who sadly lost his life, i respect each and everyone of the people i walk amongst whilst here because even though they don't choose where they go they made the choice to serve which to me shows a bravery that others can't even begin to imagine.

I hate all the post about this being because they are muslim. It's not because they are Muslim its because they had radical views and decided to act upon these views. the racists of this country need to do one. They didn't do this because of religous views or because of the colour of skin they did this because they believed that the military are evil, that the western way of life is evil, the our government is evil, all because of the suffering going on else where in the world where our troops have been sent to try and help. (albeit sometimes blindly and hastily becuase sometimes things are better off without help)
I have a large number of friends who are Muslim and they in no way shape or form believe what these two men believed so its not becuase they are Muslim.

i just hope that the poor soldier that lost his life died when the car hit him. i know he shouldn't have died at all and should not have suffered what he did but if he died at the impact at least he wouldnt have suffered the ordeal afterwards. RIP

 

[summer rain]

Sky news are making a big hoohah about how one of them 'converted to Islam about ten years ago' because we all know converting to Islam automatically makes you an extremist and a terrorist *sigh*. Oh and Anjem Choudary was on the scene just now, what a surprise. If that guy isn't actively paid by the security services he is certainly allowed to operate by them xx

 

[sparkle_1979]

I remember a few yrs ago a white guy who tried to blow up a restaurant after 9/11 he was referred to as a terrorist. If a white guy did exactly what they did rambling the crap that guy was I'm sure he'd be referred to as a terrorist too, I really believe that

 

[LynAnne]

I said before I went sure if you could call it terrorism and then I looked up the definition and have sort of changed my mind. If they had just murdered this poor man then no, I don't think it was terrorism. It was cold blooded murder. However, it's what they say afterwards that can give justification to it being called a terrorist attack. Telling people to "remove your government" and apparently saying that they wanted to"start a war in London tonight" does lean towards terrorism as it is "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims" (Oxford dictionary). Now they didn't necessarily kill this man in the pursuit of their own political aims, per se, but more to make point.

I hope that makes sense. I'm not sure I'm being very coherent with what I mean.

 

[Missy86]

If 2 white guys murdered a Muslim guy in this way I don't think they would be called terrorists even if they did it in a Muslim country, hell it probably wouldn't get in the press over here

 

[LynAnne]

Also, I meant to add that had white men committed this horrible attack I'm not sure it would be reported in the media as terrorism. However, if, in this hypothetical situation, they also spouted about getting rid of the government/starting war etc. then it most definitely should be reported as such. I'm just not sure if the media would report it in such a way.

ETA: what I mean to say is I'm not sure the word "terrorist" would be thrown around quite as much not that the media would not report it as terrorism.

 

[summer rain]

I remember a few yrs ago a white guy who tried to blow up a restaurant after 9/11 he was referred to as a terrorist. If a white guy did exactly what they did rambling the crap that guy was I'm sure he'd be referred to as a terrorist too, I really believe that

It's incredibly rare for non-Muslims to be described this way even if they had a clear political motive. Strangely though if you look at the official Europol/FBI statistics the majority of terrorist actions in Europe and US are performed by non-Muslims usually from anarchist/far right groups but this is never ever acknowledged by the press and TV news xx

 

[babydevil1989]

He said in the video - something along the lines of - do you think when we come down that the politicians are going to be the ones getting hurt no it will be the normal person - he was indicating that it was a terror thing that their are more people like him who are willing to do this sort of thing so of ciurse people are going to think its a terror attack!

Black, white, muslim, christian - whatever you are if you are indicating that more things like this are going to happen then yes I would call that a terror attack!
They were there to warn/scare people yes they may be insane also but they were there to scare people!

Lets face it the peoole on facebook saying send them back to their country are just stupid as it was very clear the bloke in the video was british x

 

[Pearls18]

Someone on my facebook has said this will incite a civil war (lol)....I very much doubt this as I think we are a nation of keyboard warriors now, I would like to see what many of the people on my facebook would do if they were conscripted to take some kind of action...

 

[monkee12]

R.I.P to the fallen Solider my thoughts are with him, his family and friends.

 

[xemmax]

I have read a lot of conflicting reports on what the victim was wearing and therefore how they identified him as a soldier. I just read the report of the lady who spoke to the attackers and she says that he wore nothing that could have identified him as a soldier, plus on the pictures of him he is clearly in black... whereas I originally read he was wearing a white Help for Heroes t-shirt and a camo backpack

https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/woolwich-first-person-account

 

[LoolaBear]

I have read a lot of conflicting reports on what the victim was wearing and therefore how they identified him as a soldier. I just read the report of the lady who spoke to the attackers and she says that he wore nothing that could have identified him as a soldier, plus on the pictures of him he is clearly in black... whereas I originally read he was wearing a white Help for Heroes t-shirt and a camo backpack

https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/woolwich-first-person-account

he has been identified as a soldier but no names are being released due to respect for the family.
No soldier in the country is allowed to walk amongst civilians whilst in uniform now. someone in the office today isn't allowed to travel home tonight as he has no civilian clothes with him unless he is escorted home.

 

[bumpy_j]

I know it's not really the time to laugh, but this has been going round twitter and oh my god, EDL seriously? Thanks for being our defenders !

 

[xemmax]

I saw the Aslan one bumpy, is there really any need to drag C S Lewis into this?