woolwich

[Pearls18]

I have read a lot of conflicting reports on what the victim was wearing and therefore how they identified him as a soldier. I just read the report of the lady who spoke to the attackers and she says that he wore nothing that could have identified him as a soldier, plus on the pictures of him he is clearly in black... whereas I originally read he was wearing a white Help for Heroes t-shirt and a camo backpack

https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/22/woolwich-first-person-account

he has been identified as a soldier but no names are being released due to respect for the family.
No soldier in the country is allowed to walk amongst civilians whilst in uniform now. someone in the office today isn't allowed to travel home tonight as he has no civilian clothes with him unless he is escorted home.

It has been common practice to not wear uniform outside of the workplace in London since the Olympics (although most defy it, I'm assuming they wont be able to now) they are allowed to drive home with their uniforms on (here). It's quite sad though, it wasn't that long ago that they were trying to encourage soldiers to wear their uniforms in the community as a show of pride and now there are signs everywhere saying not to.

I'm not sure what he was wearing but it has been confirmed he was a solider, his family have been informed and he will be named later today.

 

[Pearls18]

I know it's not really the time to laugh, but this has been going round twitter and oh my god, EDL seriously? Thanks for being our defenders !

This sums up my Facebook, if they can't see their spelling errors how will they ever see that their knowledge of Islam is incorrect

I'll never forget when the Iraqi war was kicking off and people from my home town wanted to protest, and this was their chant "Stop the war, kill the Iraqis"........how were these people allowed to leave school!

 

[sparkle_1979]

If 2 white guys murdered a Muslim guy in this way I don't think they would be called terrorists even if they did it in a Muslim country, hell it probably wouldn't get in the press over here

I strongly disagree. If this was two white men who murdered a Muslim this way there would be huge riots also...

 

[bumpy_j]

If 2 white guys murdered a Muslim guy in this way I don't think they would be called terrorists even if they did it in a Muslim country, hell it probably wouldn't get in the press over here

I strongly disagree. If this was two white men who murdered a Muslim this way there would be huge riots also...

What, like what happened to that Muslim grandfather on his way home from the mosque?

ETA of course we don't know if the guy is white, but there is a strong indication it was racially motivated.

 

[xemmax]

If 2 white guys murdered a Muslim guy in this way I don't think they would be called terrorists even if they did it in a Muslim country, hell it probably wouldn't get in the press over here

I strongly disagree. If this was two white men who murdered a Muslim this way there would be huge riots also...

I wish I believed that but you only need to look at recent events to see that isn't true

What has happened is so awful but murders do happen everyday without resulting in a Cobra meeting (I must stress I am in no way trying to downplay what has happened).

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

I said yesterday I bet they were already known to ss. This was not spontaneous.

 

[Pearls18]

The BBC article I just read said they were known to authorities.

 

[R_x]

If a white did this to a Muslim it would be seen as racist
It was the stuff that was said after and the reasoning to make it terrorism.
If a white person went to another country and did that then said that reason behind it and threaten to start war on there capital that night then yes that would be terrorism

 

[R_x]

And I know he is from our country but i was just using it as an example.

 

[Fergie]

If a white did this to a Muslim it would be seen as racist
It was the stuff that was said after and the reasoning to make it terrorism.
If a white person went to another country and did that then said that reason behind it and threaten to start war on there capital that night then yes that would be terrorism

Whites can be and frequently are muslim.
There was no reasoning to what they did, it was murder pure and simple and that cannot be reasoned.
"Whites" have gone to other countries, slaughtered the populate because of different religious views, money, power and started a war on it; The Crusades, The "discovery" of America, New Zealand, Australia, Africa, Middle East etc.

 

[louandivy]

You could argue that American drone strikes are terrorising civilians in Pakistan on a daily basis.

 

[louandivy]

Morality is relative, ya know? Terrorism is a fluid concept and whether someone is a 'terrorist' or a 'freedom fighter' changes depending on ideologies. I had an epiphany when I realised this last year and it has stressed me out ever since

 

[Fergie]

Morality is relative, ya know? Terrorism is a fluid concept and is whether someone is a 'terrorist' or a 'freedom fighter' changes depending on ideologies. I had an epiphany when I realised this last year and it has stressed me out ever since

Oohh i'm stealing that for facebook .

 

[louandivy]

Oh god I wouldn't dare. People would prob just accuse you of being a terrorist sympathiser (cos people are dumb)

 

[RedRose]

You could go viral with that Lu

 

[louandivy]

My 5 minutes of internet fame!

 

[LoolaBear]

the father of one of them has now been arrested at his home in a lincolnshire village (EEP!)
also it is now reported they were known to whoever they are meant to be known by but so far are not known to be link to the jihadists in nigeria 9where the family hails from i think i also read)

 

[Fergie]

I've just had a "friend" rip into me and tell me i am not british for not supporting the forces. Sad as my brother is in the army (RRS), my older sister was in the signals for 12 years, my bro in law was tankies for 15 years, my wee brother was TA, most of my friends are married to / have been in / have family in the forces but yeah i'm anti british . I should add this is the same persons dad who sat on FB saying my daughter was a half breed and that's why she didn't survive . Stupidity breeds stupidity.

 

[louandivy]

I've just had a "friend" rip into me and tell me i am not british for not supporting the forces. Sad as my brother is in the army (RRS), my older sister was in the signals for 12 years, my bro in law was tankies for 15 years, my wee brother was TA, most of my friends are married to / have been in / have family in the forces but yeah i'm anti british . I should add this is the same persons dad who sat on FB saying my daughter was a half breed and that's why she didn't survive . Stupidity breeds stupidity.

Omg I am so sorry, that is one of the most vile things I have ever heard At least now you have a good excuse to delete the stupid bitch! You can not support the government/wars but still respect the soliders, I don't know why people don't get this. Most of my family is Jewish but I still oppose to Israel as a legitimate state!

 

[Fergie]

I've just had a "friend" rip into me and tell me i am not british for not supporting the forces. Sad as my brother is in the army (RRS), my older sister was in the signals for 12 years, my bro in law was tankies for 15 years, my wee brother was TA, most of my friends are married to / have been in / have family in the forces but yeah i'm anti british . I should add this is the same persons dad who sat on FB saying my daughter was a half breed and that's why she didn't survive . Stupidity breeds stupidity.

Omg I am so sorry, that is one of the most vile things I have ever heard At least now you have a good excuse to delete the stupid bitch! You can not support the government but still respect the soliders, I don't know why people don't get this. Most of my family is Jewish but I still oppose to Israel as a legitimate state!

Sadly i've deleted quite a few. My daughter would have been brought up to understand that religion and skin colour don't make the person. I dread to think what her life would have been like if my friends of all people, attacked her because she was born muslim and half turkish. Small blessings she won't have to deal with that amount of hatred.