7th Natural cycle IVF(w/o meds) and finally BFP!

[Electricat]

I'm so sorry, Briss
At least you got time, right? For me, if this fails I'm out for having a baby - ever. Door shut.

I dunno what to say other that I feel for you and I hope you will get your baby in the end, just not this cycle.

 

[Briss]

bettybee, My AMh was between 6.6 and 9 this year so not terribly low and my AFC was 6-10 which is also reasonable so it's just FSH which is depressing at 16-19. NHS refuses finding for FSH above 12 but you can go as self funded. I still do not know what is the difference between self funded and private? I made an app with my NHS FS who can refer me but it most likely going to be self funding and she said around 7.5K so not really cheaper than just going private. I am trying to get funding based on my low FSH of 8 (I had a cycle where my estrogen went really high and suppressed FSH so maybe she could use that as a formality for referral). We spent 11K already on these two IVFs so DH is quite upset about money as well. why did your fist cycles failed? did you change the clinic?

Electricat, you are breaking my heart. why is this your last attempt? Sorry I forgot are you with Create? I have to say that my second cycle was managed very badly and lots of things went wrong and I am not happy about it at all. I was very happy after my first IVF as we almost got there with just one egg and they are very good at natural cycles but I have doubts they know what they are doing when it comes to stim cycles. Maybe I was just very unlucky but I feel mistreated.

I am still in shock, constantly crying and in disbelief. At the moment I do not even know what to think and what to hope for

 

[bettybee1]

The nhs meds tho are halv the price Hun aswell and your follow up apps etc and if you need ought else are very cheap or free

My 1st 2 cycles I did at my local nhs hosptial !! And both times I had top quality embyros I was only 20 so what they should have been and I really should of got preg my lining was gorgeous ! Everything was perfect apart from my period came early like 6-7 days early 4-5 days after transfer this was bad as my embies had no chance !!!

I only changed clinic as I egg shared this time round too make it cheaper but I explained about my period coming ealry and I said to them that because I was getting 40+ follies and loads off eggs my ovaries go crazy therefore had a lot off estrogen in my system but the bad & good thing is that after ec my body just get rid of all the extra hormones and send ovaries back too normal therefore my period coming early !!! These cycles I was just on the average 400mg progestrone

This cycle I was on 6 mg estrogen 600mg of one progestrone and 400mg of another !!!! And it worked !!!!!
And at a 5 weeks scan it proved that my body makes my ovaries calm down extremely quickly as my ovaries were the normal size and all the follicles had nearly gone i! At my 7 week scan at my fertilty clinic they actually couldn't believe how normal my ovaries was te nurse even got the docter too come in and look :/ !!! She said they have never seen someone who had as many mature follicles that I have and my ovaries too look like that she said normally pregnancy worsens them and most ofthe time ovaries are nearly touching :0 !!!

Proper strange as with my dd I took 50mg clomid as my periods were abit all over after coming off contraption and I actually got ohss moderate with her and was hosptialsed my ovary was hugeree!!!

Weird !!!!!

Yeah it's a lot off money we have spent 15-16000 on fertilty treatments this year ! It drained out accounts and wages every month it's hard but so worth it !!!! Xxxx

 

[Briss]

bettybee, thanks! I did not know self funded route had its benefits, meds half price is certainly worth considering Although I am not sure stims are for me. there is no point in getting more eggs if meds are making them of such poor quality that they are not capable of being fertilised. I guess it's the age thing, the eggs are more fragile and are easily affected by external factors despite excellent blood flow to the follicles

This is so surprising that your AF came 4-5 days after transfer while you were still on progesterone. when I had my chemical my AF could not start until I stopped the progesterone. I was on 800-1200 a day so I guess 400 was just too low for you. Amazing to have 40+ follies!! I only had 3…

Why did you need IVF? do you have a male factor?

Dovkav, how are you doing? are going to try again with your private clinic?

 

[bettybee1]

Yeah male factor , my husband got crushed in Afghanistan last year so he now has sperm antibodies bloody shit !!!

It may not have been meds that caused it Hun because when I got 13 fertilized 10 were fab but 3 were completely shit and didn't grow !!! Xxx

 

[Electricat]

I'm afraid I'm going down the same road as you, Briss

Had my CD6 (Four days of stim, as I took my shot when I got back this evening) and only had 5 (around 10mm) follicles. On the initial scan I had 11 follicles and somehow thought at least 8-9 would grow?

They up my Gonal f to 175 but told me my Estrogen was fine (1000-something, don't remember).

Only 5 follicles I'll imagine only one or two (if any!) will grow ripe enough for EC, and none of them fertilize
I know I have to stay positive, but I've always been a realist and like to know the facts
I know we have the same FSH, Briss, so I'm thinking I'm going down same road as you.

Sigh..
Wish me luck.

How are you doing after failed EC, do you cry less, or do you still feel down?

 

[Briss]

Electricat, 5 follicles is much better than what I had which is just 2 (out of 10), I hope all 5 will continue growing and hopefully all mature for EC. wishing you best of luck.

bettybee, i am very sorry about what your DH had to go through! must have been so hard for both of you.

afm, still very sad (and very angry at the clinic!) and tbh cant talk about it yet just trying to get through this day by day. I was supposed to be at home with two embryos inside today, instead i am alone staring at 4 pineapples that I got in advance to help implantation after ET ...

 

[bettybee1]

Tbh - it's sounds like both of your clinics starting you on low dose with high fsh are just stupid. !!

Electric - your only cd 6 it's completely normal on my last cycle I had 50 follicles they didn't all go mature !!! I started off with just 3 growing till they upped me too 300!!! I started on 225 aswell !!! D

 

[Briss]

Electricat, how is it going? have you had your EC yet?

 

[Electricat]

Yes, got six follies in the end (one smaller one) and we got four mature eggs. My lining is dead as roadkill though so we have to freeze and hope for a better cycle.

Hope you feel better Briss

 

[Briss]

Electricat, 4 eggs is fantastic!! well done! are they freezing the eggs or are they going to fertilise them and freeze the embryos?

 

[Electricat]

They will fertilize the eggs and freeze whatever embies come out of that.
FX it will be all four so we have a choice when thawing

Yes, I feel ok about the EC, but my lining just gets me down - my uterus isn't working

How are you doing Briss - do you see a light in the tunnel yet?

 

[dovkav123]

Hello ladies,
I was out of town and couldn't access internet. I was thinking about you every single day. I need to go back many pages and read your updates.
How are you everybody?
Natural cycle IVF again! I did my HCG trigger last night and ER will be on Monday morning in the same clinic. WE found 18mm follicle again on the R side, 9.3 mm uterine lining. Doing retrieval w/o pain killer again.
I didn't follow my anti-inflammatory diet at all this month. I ate lots of protein, high cholesterol foods, less veggies and fruits. I ONly took fish oil, vit E and folic acid.

Electrical, I pray for your succesful eggs fertilisation.
Briss, I am sorry about your bumpy road with IVF. What do you think happened? You wrote that 1 egg O'ed too early. Could you do IUI?

 

[Briss]

dovkav, I am very glad to hear from you! I was wondering where you have been.. very happy you are persevering with natural IVF. keep us updated. fingers crossed!

afm, stim IVF was a huge mistake, I regret it bitterly. Got my AF last night out of the blue. only 11 day LP this has never ever happened before even when i had lap my cycle was not screwed like that. these meds really messed up my cycle big time. I nearly lost it yesterday I do not even remember half of what happened I was very close to going properly crazy. Where would i get the strength to carry on I just do not know. I am so upset. I am now thinking that with my natural IVF and chemical, I started spotting on about 10 DPO and if I was not on progesterone it's possible that I would have got AF early just like this cycle and the embryo would not have a chance. there is just something not right with the meds and my body, they do not mix well because I never spot in TWW when i am not on meds.

 

[dovkav123]

Thank you, Briss for support.
I am so sad that you are going through a tough time. You did everything with supplements and diet to get good results. Your hubby tried to give up beer. Maybe he should quit for 3 months and you should try again in Spring(natural ivf cycle?)

Please read lilsluz first page she had low AMH and high FSH. She got lucky.

https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/p...-26-lilsluz-40-lttc-1-rmc-parl-mthfr-amh.html

So sorry to hear bad news in the end of this year, Briss sending u hugs...2014 is gonna be all of ours year I just know it xx


We retrieved my egg and waiting for a fertilisation report tomorrow. We're planning to transfer on Wednesday.
Another RE did a procedure and she didn't want my hubby in the room. We were so upset, my hubby complained in the front desk and I refused to sit in the chair till he is next to me. Why this private practice is not consistent with there rules? Finally the nurse gave sterile clothing to my hubby and we were reunited.
Last month I had no problems with another dr. during retrieval. She even didn't mind us filming...

I'll administer Brevactid 1500 IE 3 times a week for better implantation.

The preggo blood test suppose to be on the day of my birthday, but the office is closed, I'll do it on 23rd.

 

[Briss]

Electricat, any news on your embies and also did they recommend anything for your lining?

Dovkav, fingers crossed for fertilisation tomorrow!! At my clinic they never let men into the operating room. My Dh was also upset cos he did not know what's going on and what they are doing to me in there, he was worried, bless him. what does Brevactid do?

afm, it all depends on what the urologist is going to say. if there is a way to improve his sperm I do not mind waiting but if not, I'd rather we get on with the next IVf. Obviously, I need to make sure my body has recovered and I am scheduling appointments with other clinics to see what they may suggest considering my FSH. I am going for my follow up tomorrow. So angry with this clinic, not sure how it's going to work out.

 

[Electricat]

Hello again

I'm still waiting to talk to my doc about what to do with my lining. It annoys me that they're not more "on the ball" with the lining issue because it's just as important as growing an egg or having good sperm!
My doc kinda shrugged and said there is nothing we can do, when infact I read on the net that there IS things you can do such as Viagra, Estrogen and something called washing(?).
It's like they don't want to get in on working the lining and just say "wait and see". Well my periods have been very light for a year (for 15 years before that I had no periods as I had a coil in), so it's not going to just grow because doc tells me to wait and see!
Anyway, I'm waiting for a call from them to have a phone consultation about what to do next.


dovkav123
ER without sedation? Why? That must be torture!!! surely!!?
I was completely out of it and was pretty sore on the side where I had four follies just minutes after coming out of the OR.
I don't know what it must feel like, but don't they have to go through your vagina wall to get to the ovaries?....with a needle?

They didn't let OH in the OR at ER with me either, no point as I would be sleeping - and him busy doing his bit in a cup. (it would be different if I was awake though, yes, I would raise hell to have him there!).
They are letting OH's in at transfer though, so I guess the practice has to do with whether or not you are conscious during the procedure.


Good luck to you, dov, hope for a perfect embie
And good luck to you and me too, Briss - seems like IVF has given us a slap in the face so far

 

[dovkav123]

ER is not a big deal.!!! I was awake during ER and i felt like a bee sting for a sec when the needle poked the ovary. We retrieve only one egg. After procedure I had minimum cramping, got dress and after 1hour my dr. did a control u/s to look if everything ok.

We do have our emby growing nicely and tomorrow at 2pm ET.

Electrical., you did produced eggs and they were all matured. Did you freeeze them? (the cells or embryos?) Your body responds to treatment, why your lining is so lazy? Have you done hysteroscopy? Maybe you need more estrogen?

My dr. prescribed Brevactid it is HCG hormone but higher dose it should help with implantation. Also we'll BD tonight, studies showed that spermies in the uterus can aslo aid implantation.

 

[Briss]

Electricat, indeed, quite a slap! I am still recovering...

Actually they may not even know what to do with the lining except for the endo scratch. is there any way you can find a different specialist? I am quite sure it's reversible but it probably requires a lot of work. you are probably doing all the natural stuff as is but I guess some medical intervention might be needed here. Keep us posted

dovkav, wonderful news on fertilisation!! was the egg from your left ovary?

 

[dovkav123]

From right ovary Briss. Poor right ovary got poked 4 times(2 times IVF#1, dr. was hoping to fing an egg)! and the left one 2 times.