Anyone else now trying again STRAIGHT after a mc? NTNP?

[filipenko32]

Emum go and check the test again for any kind of line! Any kind of line on a frer is a positive. Also hate to say it but still early... I never got any kind of a positive at 9dpo when I was pregnant last time using frer. Also what are your temps doing?

 

[Emum]

Emum go and check the test again for any kind of line! Any kind of line on a frer is a positive. Also hate to say it but still early... I never got any kind of a positive at 9dpo when I was pregnant last time using frer. Also what are your temps doing?

Temps have stayed exactly the same for last 4 or 5 days. Definitely no line sadly. I looked very carefully!

 

[filipenko32]

The temps aren't dropping then? Should they be going higher by now then?

 

[Emum]

Not sure. I think so long as they stay up, they are OK. But if they go higher, that is a really good sign.

 

[struth]

:wave: Hi ladies - how are you all?

I've been a bit absent recently but thought I'd pop in and say hi. I've been on holiday and then have been super busy at work.

Not a great deal to report from here I'm afraid. I'm on CD7 today - AF arrived on 13dpo giving me a 12 day LP which I was pleased with. So, my first period in six months (due to the two back to back mcs) is out of the way, my body is fully reset and I'm hoping that it will be receptive to another pregnancy now. We'll see.... I'm also hoping for a super early ovulation - I have no idea when it is likely to be due to the wonky cycles and the two pregnancies. I'm hoping that it is all sorted now and that I ovulate before cd20...I guess I will know more in a couple of weeks.

In the meantime, I hope you are all well?

 

[struth]

BFN on FRER tonight. Accuracy at this point should be 62% according to the leaflet. Not looking good

62% accuracy is nothing - you have a 50% chance of guessing it right! So 62% is only a 12% increase in accuracy over chance.

You are not out yet hon - leave it a day or two (although if you have a 5 pack - go for it with fmu!!) and see what you get then. I have never got a bfp before 13dpo....

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Welcome back Struth, how you had a good hol and good luck for this months cycle.

 

[filipenko32]

Morning ladies, how's everyone doing today? Sometimes I wish the 1st thought of the morning could be un baby related!

Are you testing again today emum?

Me and dh are still discussing whether to ttc this month or wait and go for the IVF, question is if we ttc one more time naturally will we have another mc? Our mc consultant says no to IVF and to keep trying but our fertility specialist says yes we should do it.

Hope everyone has a good day x x


Hi Struth, good luck to you in the 2WW!

 

[pinksmarties]

Hi Ladies, Hope everyone is well.

Fili- difficult choice. Sorry if you have already said this, but if you go for IVF does that definitely rule out ttc until that all gets going? When would they be looking at starting IVF?

Hi struth, hope you are well, if we are not in the tww its countdown to ov! A lot of waiting

MrsMig - hope AF eased a little and today is better. I am with you with the tobelerone, I inhaled a large bar of Wholenut last night. No chance I could face running in this weather (or any weather really )- hats of to you fili!!

Emum- anything with the new tests?

Faye/louby - how are you both today?

AFM - had an emotional reunion with Stepmum and Dad. It was nice to be able to talk about it all again as Mum doesn't ask any more. Feeling much more positive now. Had a nice tea and large helped!

AF sore and lots of bright red blood but not too bad atm. My usual is clots/brownish red blood so I am hoping my lining is nice and new now and better for the next bean to stick. Reset my CBFM and today I got to switch it on for day 1 and can start POAS in 6 days time!!

 

[Emum]

BFN again this morning with FRER. But check out my chart

My Ovulation Chart

that looks to me like the start of a triphasic pattern. In fact I am not 100% sure of the temperature. It was either 36.71 or 36.77 this morning, I couldn't remember which when I came to check it, but still a good 0.2 degrees higher than it has been since ovulation. Interestingly, I woke at 4.15 too and checked it then, and it was 36.4 which is nearly 0.2 degrees lower than my normal post ov temps. Don't know if that means I had an implantation dip earlier this morning, then a rise later or just that my central heating came on around 6.30 (the latter being much more likely!)

I have my sister and her partner visiting us for the next few days, so I am going to try to forget about testing until Monday afternoon when they leave.

 

[pinksmarties]

emum - chart looks really promising. Did you adjust you temp at 4.15 this morning as that would put it up and give you a higher temp. The distraction will be good and give a few more days for the hcg to increase. Oooh getting so excited for you.

 

[Emum]

emum - chart looks really promising. Did you adjust you temp at 4.15 this morning as that would put it up and give you a higher temp. The distraction will be good and give a few more days for the hcg to increase. Oooh getting so excited for you.

Oh good idea. I never use the temp adjustment tool. I just fed in the data though and the 4.15 temp when adjusted comes out at 36.74 at 7.20 when I measured the second one at either 36.71 or 36.77

So either way it looks like it is definitely a rise. Hope it stays up for the next week.

 

[ickle pand]

Filipenko - that's a tough decision. At the clinic I go to, I know you have to wait 6 months in between IVF cycles if they're unsuccessful. Do you know how many cycles they'd give you? It seems like each clinic is different but in Aberdeen it's 3.

Here's some info about IVF from the Aberdeen clinic website (it really helped me understand the whole process). https://www.aberdeenfertility.org.uk/uploads/files/PIE.pdf

Also if you click on the headings on the left hand side under "IVF/ICSI" on this link, it explains each stage in detail and I think there's a link to an information sheet on each page too.https://www.aberdeenfertility.org.uk/treatments/invitro/

The clinic you go to probably has their own website and their own way of doing things but I just thought I'd pass this on anyway. The HFEA website is really good too and will give you information about your clinic

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Morning all! Emum, not had a look at your chart as I haven't quite got my head around them yet, and this is a quick fly by while I'm supposed to be getting showered, but from what you say your temps are sounding promising! Good plan to hold off the testing if you can, while you have things to keep you occupied in the meantime.
Fil, like Pink says, it is a toughy and I hope you and hubby manage to make the decision together as easily as can be hoped for.
Pink, AF sounds like mine, let's hope we get nice sticky linings for next month. Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend with dad and stepmum and a few more glasses of wine!
Afm, my first foray into temping this morning didn't go quite as planned. I woke up at 5.30 so took the temp, realised what people meant by the backlight on the thermometer not working. I read it with my phone anyway and tried to put it in the ff app on my phone. Looked again when I woke up but realised the chart is in Fahrenheit and the bbt in Celsius. So I had to try to remember what the temp was and convert it and go back and put it in again. So now I have a blue dot, but can't faff like that every morning. Anyone else use the app who might have any ideas?

 

[filipenko32]

Thanks ladies, and thanks for those links Ickle, they're really interesting. Added to all this is of course the cost. I don't think the NHS would fund IVF for us as the general consensus is to keep trying. We are hoping the IVF would cut the wait time for us if we did have any more miscarriages so I don't think that's a valid reason to fund us. All in all the treatment would cost nearly 10K with IVF PGD and ISCI and it might not even work! On the other hand I am healthy and get preg quickly but how many more mc's?! What would you do!!? Also if we ttc this cycle we miss our appointment with lesley regan as she won't see pregnant patients and this is the best recurrent mc clinic in the country so it's looking like we might not try but we're not sure yet.

Emum those temps look fantastic as mine started dropping my now although my method of temping last time was not reliable!

Pink af sunds good and glad you had a nice time! Hope this will be your month!

Mrsmigg I couldn't get round the early morning temping faff so i just do it as soon as i get up and sit down then take it so it's fair enough!

 

[ickle pand]

Mrs Miggins - I've got the app too. Have you signed in with the same user name as the main site? I sent my temp preference on the main site before I downloaded the app and it just uses the same settings. Try changing the settings on the main site (Chart Settings on the bar along the top) and then log back into the app and see if that helps.

I take my temp in the dark and wait until I get up to enter it so I don't wake DH up.

Filipenko - getting up before you temp will really make a difference to your temps, because you can't be certain that you move the same amount every day and the outside temperature will affect you too. It's hard though - I go through patches where I forget to grab it before I get up.

 

[Mrs Miggins]

Thanks Ickle, I'll have a go. I have only ever used my phone to get on it and I have a bit of a hassle with the password, once i log out of it it's not keen to let me back in. I will try it on the laptop and see if that helps.

 

[loubyloumum]

Morning Ladies,
I hope your all feeling ok today?
Emum, your temps are looking good from what I can gather, fingers crossed for you. Will be great for you to have a distraction for a few days also to deter you from tearing open the tests at every second (as this it what I would do) and let those hormones rise

MrsMig, I have only been temping for thr past few days so not that experienced but I have also been doing mine in the morning before I get up as from what I read on FF it was more accurate to do it before you are up and about?!

Pink, I hope you had a lovely time with your dad and step mum glad to hear the isn't being to hard on you too fingers crossed you will have a fantastic sticky lining in the making

Fil, its a very hard decision for you both to make I'm sure but you have to do what is right for you both xx

Faye, hope you feeling ok today. Have you had your as yet?

AFM - Feeling in a much better mood today don't know why but it seems I woke up on the right side of the bed this morning! Trying to be more positive

xxxx

 

[Emum]

Fili, why would you need ICSI if you and OH conceive easily? ICSI is normally only used when a man has a low sperm count, to maximise the number of good sperm available for the attempt. It does add about another £2,500 on to the bill IIRC.

For what its worth, I personally wouldn't go down the IVF route in your shoes at this stage, mainly because the whole process is incredibly stressful and expensive and not guaranteed to work first time or at all, and you have other avenues to explore. If you know that you ovulate, and everything else works, it is taking a risk to start inhaling and injecting large doses of hormones which could alter your natural balance for some time afterwards.

I would keep your appointment with Lesley Regan and see what she says about why you keep miscarrying. The only advantage which I can see of IVF is that you can screen the embryos for some (not all) chromosomal defects and only put back A grade ones. But you might still not achieve a pregnancy, and if the reason for your miscarriages is not exclusively a chromosomal issue, you might still go on to miscarry. Don't forget that the embryos are put back at a very early stage of development in IVF (usually at either 3 or 5 days post ovulation, when they are just a collection of around 8 cells or new blastocysts) If your issue is a poor implanatation for example, IVF would make no difference.

Hope you don't mind me speaking bluntly. I had one failed IVF attempt when trying to conceive my first, so I am very familiar with all it entails, and it is a long, hard and emotional process with actually a very small prospect of success despite what you might read. And for friends who have conceived this way, to miscarry after IVF seems to be much much harder than after a natural conception, and god knows that is hard enough, due to all that has been invested in the process and the fact that your hormones are completely screwed up from the drugs for a while anyway.

It is completely your choice but I just wanted to give a brutally honest opinion on it, for you to consider along with all the possible advantages of the process, so that if you do decide to do it, it is with eyes wide open.

Hugs

 

[filipenko32]

Thanks emum I really appreciate you taking the time to reply like that and what you said makes me feel SO much better!! I am much more comfortable with ttc naturally and if the specialist miscarriage consultants say just to keep trying then perhaps we should? I am a little concerned that we're going to get very conflicting opinions at the fertillity clinic and the rec mc clinic in the space of a week, do you think you would just focus on the rm clinic for now? The only thing that's good about the idea of PGD with IVF is that all the chromosomes are actually screened in the process we *would* go for. I am really uneasy with the idea of messing up my body hormonally though when as you say it's all happening naturally anyway. It must have been TERRIBLE to go through a failed cycle like you did, I really take my hat off to you for being able to go through the agony of that! How old were you when you did that if you don't mind me asking? Keeping my fingers tightly crossed that you get a big surprise on Monday and hoping you have a great rest from all the testing anxiety in the meantime! x

The truth is I don't really know about the ICSI, thought it would just up our chances and the fs hinted at this (via email) but perhaps it's unnecessary?