jury3 - lol yes I get that all the time, the whole "you can't afford that many" or "what's wrong with you?". I think though especially here in Australia I can't speak for other parts of the world but our society is making it seem like children need all this stuff which is totally unnecessary. We live in a house with 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms, it's not massive but it's our own home. We don't drive the fanciest car, infact we're about to sell and buy another older people mover. Alot of people make you feel like if you don't have the very best for your children they're missing out on something. I find this sad, ok I don't buy from second hand stores and my kids certainly do not go without the necessary items infact sometimes my kids act like spoilt brats. But wanting 4 children and living that out has really made me realise what is truely important. I know people with the biggest, fanciest cars, sell, rent or buy these huge homes, spoil their kids rotten, but I don't think their kids are any better off then mine.We have had to sacrifice alot to have our kids, and i'd much rather drive an uglier car or have to go without buying more clothes or unnecessary toys, or cut back on birthday's and christmas and have another bub in our lives.