child benifits UK girls....not good news

[Laura2919]

Everyone is paying back the debt that's what the VAT rise is meant to do.

Some people can just afford to pay back more than others, and I think if you and your OH are living apart so you have more money, that you're kind of out of order commenting on other people who are on benefits. Because quite clearly you and your OH are not entitled to that much childcare help.

Everyone does what they have to do, I know. You just can't go around judging other people when you're using it to suit you, too.

The VAT isnt going to clear up a hell of a lot of deficit it wont even scratch the surface thats why we are getting cuts. My OH has his own bills and neither of us are well off. I have sometimes nothing out of my wages after paying bills and all that comes with having a family.
We dont have 'more' money. I have mine and he has his. If cuts are being made to childcare element, CB, and whatever else then what is being cut from benefits. We all have VAT to pay so why should that be it for benefits?
I have never said I dont get help I said I didnt get benefits and with that I meant JSA and income support. I have been in work since 16 and have never been out of a job.
If we are going to pay back the debt everyone has to do something and not just with VAT! There has to be more. Like I have said and will keep saying if the working are having to pay so should everyone.

 

[Serene123]

Everyone is paying back the debt that's what the VAT rise is meant to do.

Some people can just afford to pay back more than others, and I think if you and your OH are living apart so you have more money, that you're kind of out of order commenting on other people who are on benefits. Because quite clearly you and your OH are not entitled to that much childcare help.

Everyone does what they have to do, I know. You just can't go around judging other people when you're using it to suit you, too.

The VAT isnt going to clear up a hell of a lot of deficit thats why we are getting cuts. My OH has his own bills and we arent well off at all. I have sometimes nothing out of my wages after paying bills and all that comes with having a family.
We dont have 'more' money. If cuts are being made to childcare element, CB, and whatever else then what is being cut from benefits. We all have VAT to pay so why should that be it for benefits?
I have never said I dont get help I said I didnt get benefits and with that I meant JSA and income support. I have been in work since 16 and have never been out of a job.
If we are going to pay back the debt everyone has to do something and not just with VAT! There has to be more. Like I have said and will keep saying if the working are having to pay so should everyone.

Tax Credits are benefits. You're claiming more from the system than you pay into it, tbh. The system is helping you.

 

[Laura2919]

Everyone is paying back the debt that's what the VAT rise is meant to do.

Some people can just afford to pay back more than others, and I think if you and your OH are living apart so you have more money, that you're kind of out of order commenting on other people who are on benefits. Because quite clearly you and your OH are not entitled to that much childcare help.

Everyone does what they have to do, I know. You just can't go around judging other people when you're using it to suit you, too.

The VAT isnt going to clear up a hell of a lot of deficit thats why we are getting cuts. My OH has his own bills and we arent well off at all. I have sometimes nothing out of my wages after paying bills and all that comes with having a family.
We dont have 'more' money. If cuts are being made to childcare element, CB, and whatever else then what is being cut from benefits. We all have VAT to pay so why should that be it for benefits?
I have never said I dont get help I said I didnt get benefits and with that I meant JSA and income support. I have been in work since 16 and have never been out of a job.
If we are going to pay back the debt everyone has to do something and not just with VAT! There has to be more. Like I have said and will keep saying if the working are having to pay so should everyone.

Tax Credits are benefits. You're claiming more from the system than you pay into it, tbh. The system is helping you.

Yes I know but it wasnt about tax credits so I didnt say tax credits. I am not saying I dont get anything or I should get more I am saying that I have had to take a cut so if I have had to then so should everyone. Why does it just have to be working that have to pay back.
So we pay back VAT, Cuts to what help us work, CB which was a universal benefit and people on benefits such as JSA and income support only pay back VAT.
Do you see my point? Why is it the working are singled out every time.

 

[Serene123]

Everyone is paying back the debt that's what the VAT rise is meant to do.

Some people can just afford to pay back more than others, and I think if you and your OH are living apart so you have more money, that you're kind of out of order commenting on other people who are on benefits. Because quite clearly you and your OH are not entitled to that much childcare help.

Everyone does what they have to do, I know. You just can't go around judging other people when you're using it to suit you, too.

The VAT isnt going to clear up a hell of a lot of deficit thats why we are getting cuts. My OH has his own bills and we arent well off at all. I have sometimes nothing out of my wages after paying bills and all that comes with having a family.
We dont have 'more' money. If cuts are being made to childcare element, CB, and whatever else then what is being cut from benefits. We all have VAT to pay so why should that be it for benefits?
I have never said I dont get help I said I didnt get benefits and with that I meant JSA and income support. I have been in work since 16 and have never been out of a job.
If we are going to pay back the debt everyone has to do something and not just with VAT! There has to be more. Like I have said and will keep saying if the working are having to pay so should everyone.

Tax Credits are benefits. You're claiming more from the system than you pay into it, tbh. The system is helping you.

Yes I know but it wasnt about tax credits so I didnt say tax credits. I am not saying I dont get anything or I should get more I am saying that I have had to take a cut so if I have had to then so should everyone. Why does it just have to be working that have to pay back.
So we pay back VAT, Cuts to what help us work, CB which was a universal benefit and people on benefits such as JSA and income support only pay back VAT.
Do you see my point? Why is it the working are singled out every time.

No I do feel your pain, honestly. I just think you have said a lot of things in this thread that have contradicted yourself. (I know I'm guilty of that so many times before but I'm glad people pick up on it.) Not many people on benefits can afford to pay back into the system, and as frustrating and unfair as it is, I could easily give up my CB and Tax Credits and be... not fine, but able to live. There'd be food on the table still.

The problem with this country, IMO, is peoples desperate need to have everything they want right away. They never want to save for anything so they want to constantly have enough money to go out and buy an xbox.

I don't know anyone on benefits who can't afford to buy their children presents and take them for days out, but I wouldn't want them to not be able to afford that.

So from where I'm standing, my grass is green. I have somewhere to live, people who love me to live with, and if we have to struggle while the country sorts itself out then I'm going to be fine, and so will you.

I could sit here and tell you all the things in the system that piss me off, but it isn't going to make it better x

 

[Laura2919]

Everyone is paying back the debt that's what the VAT rise is meant to do.

Some people can just afford to pay back more than others, and I think if you and your OH are living apart so you have more money, that you're kind of out of order commenting on other people who are on benefits. Because quite clearly you and your OH are not entitled to that much childcare help.

Everyone does what they have to do, I know. You just can't go around judging other people when you're using it to suit you, too.

The VAT isnt going to clear up a hell of a lot of deficit thats why we are getting cuts. My OH has his own bills and we arent well off at all. I have sometimes nothing out of my wages after paying bills and all that comes with having a family.
We dont have 'more' money. If cuts are being made to childcare element, CB, and whatever else then what is being cut from benefits. We all have VAT to pay so why should that be it for benefits?
I have never said I dont get help I said I didnt get benefits and with that I meant JSA and income support. I have been in work since 16 and have never been out of a job.
If we are going to pay back the debt everyone has to do something and not just with VAT! There has to be more. Like I have said and will keep saying if the working are having to pay so should everyone.

Tax Credits are benefits. You're claiming more from the system than you pay into it, tbh. The system is helping you.

Yes I know but it wasnt about tax credits so I didnt say tax credits. I am not saying I dont get anything or I should get more I am saying that I have had to take a cut so if I have had to then so should everyone. Why does it just have to be working that have to pay back.
So we pay back VAT, Cuts to what help us work, CB which was a universal benefit and people on benefits such as JSA and income support only pay back VAT.
Do you see my point? Why is it the working are singled out every time.

No I do feel your pain, honestly. I just think you have said a lot of things in this thread that have contradicted yourself. (I know I'm guilty of that so many times before but I'm glad people pick up on it.) Not many people on benefits can afford to pay back into the system, and as frustrating and unfair as it is, I could easily give up my CB and Tax Credits and be... not fine, but able to live. There'd be food on the table still.

The problem with this country, IMO, is peoples desperate need to have everything they want right away. They never want to save for anything so they want to constantly have enough money to go out and buy an xbox.

I don't know anyone on benefits who can't afford to buy their children presents and take them for days out, but I wouldn't want them to not be able to afford that.

So from where I'm standing, my grass is green. I have somewhere to live, people who love me to live with, and if we have to struggle while the country sorts itself out then I'm going to be fine, and so will you.

I could sit here and tell you all the things in the system that piss me off, but it isn't going to make it better x

I probably have said things but I am terrible with words I honestly dont mean to beat around the bush. I just get carried away.
But in a post I said I was watching panorama on monday night and the girl on there actually got more in benefits in a week than I earned in a week so its that that I am saying is wrong. Why should they get more money on benefits than someone does working? This is why this post has got slightly out of control. I know a lot of people struggle and it is sad but it is life and I have to take a cut with what I get for help so why should that be the case.
I agree with your post. I honestly didnt mean to offend anyone.

 

[AppleBlossom]

Laura, to a point I agree with you. I think it's wrong that people on benefits earn the same or more than some people who are out working. The system is wrong in that respect. Because for people who have no motivation to work, being on benefits are too comfortable and they gain no incentive. Most people, if they were told if they went to work they would be considerably better off financially it would probably get them off their bums to go and do it. I'm pretty sure that within the next couple of years, the government have proposed to take away JSA from those who refuse job opportunities on 3 occassions. Which I think is a start at least.

Tax credits are benefits so you are actually having help from the government with childcare etc. I think a large proportion of people DO have help in some form from the government whether it be childcare fees, tax credits etc.

ETA: The point about not living with your partner. I don't think it's a crime. If it's what works for you then fine. But I don't think it's fair of you to judge people on benefits and saying they should pay back into the system etc when you and your partner live seperately incase you have YOUR benefits cut? We all do what we have to to get by but it's seems a bit hypocritical that you would be so righteous about people on benefits while you are also trying to find a way to get around the system

 

[EternalRose]

I never thought I would see the day where people claiming tax credits would look down on someone claiming JSA or IS...

 

[midori1999]

I actually agree with Serene here!

Talk about pot kettle black, when you knowingly choose to not live with your OH to ensure you get more money off the state. Isn't that scamming?

And tax credits is still benefits.

No its not scamming. If I didnt get help with tax credits then I wouldnt be able to work. I am saying that there is help for people to work so some dont want to because of excuses. I cant live with my OH and he doesnt help me because he cant afford to and unless you are married of living together then I am commiting no crime!

I have to say, I sort of agree with EternalRose. You don't live with your partner because that would mean your tax credits (benefits) would be cut? Obviously not committing a crime as such, but I don't think it is morally right either. If you lived with your partner you could surely get a different job during the hours he is not working so you had no childcare to pay and surely that would be better for the girls too?

When I applied for tax credits they told me to cancel my joint claim because in the eyes of the law we arent together. So I did. Me and OH have only been back together since August so I dont think it would be better for my children. We had lots of difficulties in our relationship and still have some to overcome.

Only, you didn't say anything about your circumstances before except for you didn't live with your partner as you couldn't afford it...

 

[Laura2919]

I dont claim HB and I am not looking down on anyone.
As for my relationship its not something I want everyone to know. Yes we have problems so its not better for my children. Im no scammer.

 

[Dragonfly]

I often see these threads by this stage like a pack of vulchers ripping each others private life to bits. Its terrible to watch other look down on some. Just get on with it nothing you say will change things apart from make others feel like total shit. And thats not aimed at anyone in particular just condescending people. sigh.... I wish everyone could be happy but that would mean staying out of other peoples financial state of affairs and just sticking with worrying about your own.

 

[helen1234]

when i went back to work i was £400 better off a month working than not working.

i questioned that i was actually having more money from the state working than i was not working. but the 'back to work' person at the job centre explained its about breaking the cycle, its proved if childrens parents work the children are more likely to goto work when they to adult age too.

its not about what benefit you get its your working ethics past, present, and future.

even though i'm taking a small break in my career to look after my children till i can go back to work in a few yrs time, i'm 36 yrs old i have enough experience and qualifications to have a healthy cv. my children will know the world goes round by working for a living

 

[xoxsarahxox]

i think the goverment is alot to blame for how people clim benefits. i was on benefits when i had my first, i was 17 living with my then partner who worked full time, and i got CB and CTC. and ill be honest, i probably didnt need that money but as a 17 year old £80 a week was like mega money to me! and i didnt want to give it up so of course i claimed it. looking back now i can see that really i didnt need the money, i just had it for the sake that it was there available to me so i took advantage of the system. and i dont blame myself for it i blame the goverment. i was 17, young, and loved having that money that i didnt even need. the goverment should not hand out money left right and centre to people like that. im sure if they did proper financial checks on families they would realise there are alot of other people out there who are in the same position as i was and do not actually rely on this free money to survive. when i was 19 and my son turned 2 i started looking for a job and i was really proud of myself for wanting to get off benefits. but then i had a friend who was also a young mum who had no intentions of ever getting a job she was happy to stay at home claiming housing benefit, child tax credit, income suport, child benefit and council tax benefit. she got it all and still to this day does. people that like should not be entitled to all those benefits. i understad people want to stay at home when there child is first born, just like i waited until my son was 2 before i started job searching. but there comes a point when the goverment need to step in and stop handing out free money to people who not cant work, but dont want to work.

 

[Serene123]

i think the goverment is alot to blame for how people clim benefits. i was on benefits when i had my first, i was 17 living with my then partner who worked full time, and i got CB and CTC. and ill be honest, i probably didnt need that money but as a 17 year old £80 a week was like mega money to me! and i didnt want to give it up so of course i claimed it. looking back now i can see that really i didnt need the money, i just had it for the sake that it was there available to me so i took advantage of the system. and i dont blame myself for it i blame the goverment. i was 17, young, and loved having that money that i didnt even need. the goverment should not hand out money left right and centre to people like that. im sure if they did proper financial checks on families they would realise there are alot of other people out there who are in the same position as i was and do not actually rely on this free money to survive. when i was 19 and my son turned 2 i started looking for a job and i was really proud of myself for wanting to get off benefits. but then i had a friend who was also a young mum who had no intentions of ever getting a job she was happy to stay at home claiming housing benefit, child tax credit, income suport, child benefit and council tax benefit. she got it all and still to this day does. people that like should not be entitled to all those benefits. i understad people want to stay at home when there child is first born, just like i waited until my son was 2 before i started job searching. but there comes a point when the goverment need to step in and stop handing out free money to people who not cant work, but dont want to work.

Almost totally agree with you.

When I was 18 and had Caitlyn I told them I lived with my mum and how much money my OH gave me and they still gave me loads of money because I was "entitled" to it.

 

[Tasha]

This thread has left me feeling bad, not because of the benefits thing (I am a SAHM, my ex lives with us and supports us financially, I claim CTC and CB, I am lucky we can live like this and be friends, it works for us and I dont give a toss what any one else thinks to do with that) but because of the not trusting nursery's excuse stuff. I dont, I dont trust any one with Kaysie, and I am sorry if that makes me a truly awful person but I cant control it. It isnt that I think they will hurt her but more the fact that I think she will die if I am not there to protect her. Kaysie is always with me or her Dad, she has been left with my brother once and my sister once, in her lifetime (she is two years eight months), so you see I dont even trust my family, really. I wasnt like this with the older two, I had an assessment in September and he said it was because of losing Honey, and that I need counselling for it before she goes to Nursery/school (which I am still waiting for). So others may see that I am 'wrapping her in cotton wool', but I dont want this to be me or for her to miss out on things because of me, but as I said I cant control this, I wish I could.

I dont know, just feel as if everyone is saying oh dont judge me and my situation, but then judging others for theirs or things that may well be beyond their control

 

[Tasha]

It's not benefit fraud. I was still considered single when I told them about Rich before we lived together x

Although I am sure your OH helps you out a little bit Laura. More than £10 a week anyway.

I was reported for benefit fraud when I claimed as a single parent when me and my OH didn't live together. The only people who followed it up were the council but nothing ever came of it - though they did tell me, if you have a partner, whether you live with them or not, and you claim as a single parent it's benefit fraud. x

See there lays another problem with the system then, one person getting told one thing and another a totally different thing.

 

[Serene123]

It's not benefit fraud. I was still considered single when I told them about Rich before we lived together x

Although I am sure your OH helps you out a little bit Laura. More than £10 a week anyway.

I was reported for benefit fraud when I claimed as a single parent when me and my OH didn't live together. The only people who followed it up were the council but nothing ever came of it - though they did tell me, if you have a partner, whether you live with them or not, and you claim as a single parent it's benefit fraud. x

They asked me: "Do you have a partner?" I said: "Yeah, I have a boyfriend." He said: "Do you live with him?" I said: "No." He said: "You're single then."

That was it

 

[xoxsarahxox]

It's not benefit fraud. I was still considered single when I told them about Rich before we lived together x

Although I am sure your OH helps you out a little bit Laura. More than £10 a week anyway.

I was reported for benefit fraud when I claimed as a single parent when me and my OH didn't live together. The only people who followed it up were the council but nothing ever came of it - though they did tell me, if you have a partner, whether you live with them or not, and you claim as a single parent it's benefit fraud. x

See there lays another problem with the system then, one person getting told one thing and another a totally different thing.

i agree with this. when you fill in a benefit form it tells you that by partner, they mean someone you are married to, having a civil partnership with or someone you live with as though you are married to. so to me that comes across that if you dont live with them and you are not married then they are not classed as your partner in the eyes of the goverment. x

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

I was told to claim as a single parent as my OH only stayed over twice a week and did not work. We claim together now but maybe it has changed?

 

[My_First]

No problem claiming as a single parent, as long as all the other income and financial help from the ex is also declared, if they are contrubuting.

 

[xoxsarahxox]

yeah, they dont really make it clear enough to people about what is and isnt allowed if you get what i mean. the forms are way to confusing and when you ring them up, like you said previously, they sometimes tell you different to what is told on the form :Sx