Dealing with azoospermia?

lol. I know that Mo switched to oral after 12 weeks, to prevent pre-term labour. So there aren't only vaginal suppositories. But I think they are the most effective, because they get absorbed directly through the tissue without having to go through the digestive tract first. :)
 
hey! i would do the trigger for 2 reasons: ensures ovulation and causes that follicle to boost progesterone production. i did a trigger for natural fet for that reason since timing is everything. i did vaginal progesterone b/c of mc hitory and ob switched me to 400 mg oral to prevent pre term labor. 400 is a high dose. but this isnt needed,
 
Mikihob - I did progesterone in oil, which was a butt shot. I started right before transfer up until I was 14w pregnant.......something like that.....all I remember is that it was 78 days straight. Towards the end it hurt, but once you get the hang of it, it just becomes routine.
 
Is there a specific HCG amount for the trigger? I am going to ask my doc about adding the trigger just to make sure the timing is perfect and we have the added bonus of knowing the eggs released AND that we have the right timing. I don't know if he will go for it, but I can ask right?. :thumbup:
 
It's usually ovidrel 250 or novarel/hcg 5000 for iui
 
Hello ladies,

So an update from me. DH and I have been waiting on these herbs from an infertility specialist in Chinese medicine in NYC. We finally had our consult and he prescribed a concoction of herbs for my hubby based on our situation. For the first time DH seemed excited like we had a plan to help him. We also found an accupuncturist for him. It's community accupuncture so its much cheaper than others. So we finally had a plan!

Then the pharmacy calls today and says that the herbs will cost $1,050 per month and we were planning on three months! I just can't see how we can afford this. So now I feel like we are back at square one. Why would our next round this summer work if we aren't doing anything to have an impact on the quality of his sperm??(aside from the vitamins and chlomid hes been taking for 6 months which have done nothing). I just feel like we are back at square one.

In addition, I called my mother for a little moral support and she says to me, "You know, this may just not ever work for you two. You do know that don't you?" I just don't see why she felt the need to say that. Don't you know I try my hardest to NOT think that every second of every day, I don't need that kind of negative attitude. I am trying to think positive and convince myself this WILL work somehow, someway. Like you always say bub, stay positive. I am back and forth on whether I should tell her that it hurt my feelings. I'm already the "crazy infertile lady" in everyone's eyes, like everyone is afraid to talk to me. But really, I'm fine, as long as these negative thoughts are not thrown at me.

I just wish I had a magic crystal ball. If someone said, these herbs will change everything and it will work for you, I'd pay even more! But the herbalist said himself that DH's case is more of a severe case than he has ever had and he doesn't know if it will help. I just can't see spending that much money and it might not do anything. I'm still trying to pay off my last failed cycle in January, and that's only a couple hundred dollars.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I have been watching from the sidelines. I will continue to pray for positive results for those who are doing transfers soon and those who are still long away from that like me. :Hugs: to all.
 
Gem - I'm sorry your mom made you feel that way! You keep trying everything until you feel you have exhausted every option! We kept trying....and we finally got our miracles. Don't give up because someone knocks you down!
If the herbalist said it may not work, and you can't afford it, don't do it right now...try it later when you can save up for it.
 
Mik- that be so great to be so close!!

I will be natural FET- no meds and prog supp after transfer
I think you a IUI ( natural) you should make enough prog on your own.. I think...
 
GEM- been thinking of you!!

I'm sorry to hear these things are so expensive!!

Did you take a look at my list from my hubby's fertility accupuncturist?


I also forgot to mention- I also went to a Chinese herbL doctor in Chinatown/ called Layfettes herbal ( will get you info)... He doesn't speak much English, but you can explain situation to him and he will make you a pavkGe of herbs for tea to brew. Think the consult was 50/herbs was 50 and that's for a week but I extended ours to two weeks.
Might be worth a visit and not too expensive.

What about taking to the person you went to and asking them to prescribe herbs within your budget... I know it wouldnt be all.. But I think some would be better than nothing!

Please don't give up hope- I'm not/ we need to stay strong and keep fighting!!

And yes- express yourself to your mom- she should know how you feel!!

Be well!
 
Gem :wave: I'm with Stinas and MBaby on that one ... keep trying and trying, as long as you can emotionally and psychologically manage. I think you need to know for yourself that you have really tried everything! As for the herbs, maybe there is a cheaper option?
Concerning your Mother - I am sure she didn't mean to make you feel bad. She is probably just worried that you (like we here all do) put all our hope in this and dream of our miracle babies at the end of it ... and for some people, the journey doesn't work. People who don't deal with infertility have no idea, that that thought plagues us all the time, but that we push it to the back of our minds in order to be able to cope and be positive .... that we need hope. Perhaps in a calmer moment, you can explain that to her and let her know, that you are well aware of all scenarios (sadly), but that you need to hope and you need to keep trying and that you need her support in this ... :hugs:
 
Thank you all for the advice and words of encouragement. Thank god I have you all to vent to, or I would honestly lose my mind.

Bub, I took your advice and some of your exact words to explain to mom how I am feeling. Its hard when no one knows what it feels like, so I guess the best thing to do is to educate them.

Shopping other pharmacies to see if we can find herbs cheaper.

Bub and Stinas, do you feel like you did anything that madr a difference, or do you feel like its almost like luck of the draw that it worked. Just curious because I cant shake the feeling of helplessnes that we need to be doing more, or it will never work.
 
Hi Gem - did it help? Did you manage to have a good talk with your Mum and explain it all? It is very difficult for people who don't go through this to fathom.
My Parents-in-Law (mainly MIL) asked after the previous try, if we didn't want to give up and adopt. I said that there were a few other avenues I would want to explore (as I really wanted to experience pregnancy, giving birth etc.), but that as a final option, I would move to adoption ... but that I wasn't ready to throw in the towel yet. I think it is very difficult for the people who care about us to see us suffering and in so much pain and sadness...

To be honest, I really think it is a combination of many different things, all coming together. Including a huge portion of luck!
As we have clearly seen from our / my experiences, just because the eggs fertilise, does not mean that everything is OK and that they will develop into fully-fledged embryos. And that is just nature - in "healthy" natural cycles, it happens too and there is no pregnancy / chemical ... but because we follow the whole process so carefully, we are that much more aware of it.

From November until my try in December, I did acupuncture and drank chinese herbal teas. I didn't do that this time around, but perhaps it contributed.

Also, even though my thyroid levels were all healthy, there are studies that show, that a TSH value around or below 1 can help. By the time we had this try, the medication I was taking had kicked in and my levels were well below 1. This was "new" for this try. For November/December, the meds weren't working yet, as I hadn't been taking them long enough. Before that, my TSH was between 1,7 and 2,1 - healthy, but can impact TTC.

I have been taking various supplements for over a year now :
CoQ10 in very high dosage (600mg) which aids cell regeneration
Resveratrol (also supposed to aid the cell development)
Zink (helps with immunity)
Vitamin D (my levels were slightly low)
Folic-Acid (higher dosage, as I have some trouble absorbing it)
Magnesium

Big different thing for me this time was doing hypnotherapy. I purchased the MP3s from the site : Natal Hypnotherapy - the ones for IVF and listened religiously every day from the first day of medication (track 2) and then from embryo transfer (track 3) until well after I had my BFP. Once we had seen the gestational sac, I purchased the MP3s for Pregnancy Relaxation and listen to that now religiously every day.
I found it helped immensely with my mindset. With using and "accepting" the medication into my body. With positive suggestion towards all parts of my body, the ovaries, the womb. It significantly improved the quality of my sleep and I was / am much more relaxed.

Our RE had said, that at my age, one can expect to have to have on average (when I was still 37) 7 blastocysts transferred, before achieving pregnancy. Once I had turned 38, this number went up to 9! I have stayed within that statistic ;)

Finally ... luck / nature! So many of the fertilised eggs will not be healthy, will be genetically abnormal, that their development simply arrests (and like I said earlier - that is not due to the treatment, that would happen naturally too - except we wouldn't know it!). If the transferred embryos - even if they look good - are not healthy, then even if pregnancy does ensue for a short while, it probably won't be viable.
So - yes, a big portion of luck, that a healthy embryo (or two) is transferred, that can develop in its new home...

If I look at my journey in a very sober way ... sure, we were at the clinic for 3 years - but we had 9 transfers. Since we know that we can't get pregnant naturally, I won't count the months in between - just the time that we have transferred fertilised eggs. If we think about it, that corresponds to 9 months of "successful" sex, where the sperm finds the egg and fertilises ... perhaps about 9-12 months of trying for a healthy couple? And I think when looking at it that way, is more or less the average time that a healthy couple will need to get pregnant (only just started looking at it this way when writing this post, but to me, it makes sense...).

Due to the fact that we are faced with a disability : infertility - we are helpless. Our only way to get pregnant is through medication, operations... getting help. And that makes it so incredibly hard, because we want to do everything in our power to get pregnant - and it is out of our hands :( :( ... so we can try to do our best - live healthily, take supplements, do what the clinics tell us and hope, that we will get lucky!
:hugs:
 
I'll comment on this too since we had 6 transfers. Dh sperm is basically non-existent but we always managed to have just enough for icsi. We didn't do the mtese b/c dh had 2 surgeries as a child that messed him up and we were afraid a third would wipe out what was left. He had the workup (except ultrasound) and has a slightly elevated fsh. We tried vitamins, hcg, clomid with no luck. Our first 2 icsi = bunch of eggs, bunch of embryos, only 2 blasts. Same for second. My egg quality is fine so we knew it was sperm issue. (I had 1 mc from 2nd ivf which is thought due to bad sperm since analysis of tissue was negative). We changed my protocol and dh stayed on vitamins (fertility blend, fish oil, zinc) and that 3rd icsi we got 6 blasts. We ended up transferring them all before our baby so total of 10 blasts transferred to get 1 healthy baby. In all honesty I feel it was just finding the best embryo from 1 strong sperm and 1 good egg. I wouldn't go the route of Chinese herbs b/c no one really knows the impact of those on the body and it could make things worse. I think with azo it takes patience and perseverance until the right embryo is found.
 
Ahhh... Patience.. Your right Mo!!

Just need to wait for the right egg and sperm

We had 5/8 fertilized eggs make it to blast- I'm PRAYING 1 of the 4 left is that perfect one!!
 
Gem - dh was out on clomid for a few months, but we knew it wouldn't do anything. We got little sperm from TESE.... Third IVF it worked but ended in MC. DH wanted to go directly to DS....I wanted to try again, I was not ready for DS at that point, I was before we got preg, but not when they told us there were no hb. I don't know why I all of a sudden was not ready, but it was just a feeling I had...I was determined to get preg again....thankfully we tried again and our twins should be here within a few weeks.
I personally don't think too many homeopathic things can help our situation. I think we did everything we could surgery wise. I don't regret trying them, even though we knew it was rare for it to be fixed.
I think you should do what your heart tells you to do. It does not hurt to try things, just don't put your expectations up too high. All azoo ladies can tell you it's a very long journey with lots of tears but thankfully, there usually is a light at end of tunnel....the route you take will be the right one for you! Just never give up
 
Like the girls said.....it takes a lot of patience.
What I found that helped me was in between losses and failures, I made sure to make me time. Dh and I also acted younger again and went out and partied like we were young again. Like we didn't have a worry in the world. It helped a lot.
 
Thank you all so much. It really helps to hear all of your stories. So much of what you all said makes sense. DH says he is willing to do surgery again this summer, although he is still in pain from the last one. But after that he says he needs some time off. This will be his third surgery in a year! If it doesnt work we may go to donor and then try with him at a later time. Patience is the key. Something that is so so hard when you want something so badly!! Thank you all again for your wordsof advice and encouragement. It has made me feel a lot better!!!
 
Gem - its hard not to be discouraged after multiple surgeries and IVF failures. No matter what you think "am I doing the right thing?". Its a crazy roller coaster ride, but once its over, it was totally worth the ride!
 
Update and Question:

My blood work showed my Progesterone to be at 21. Doc said they like to see 10, so he's happy with the 21.

BUT they don't do weekend IUI's. (It's Alaska no one does anything here...lol) If I get my OPK surge on Friday night, I have to wait until Monday morning for the IUI. Do you ladies think I will have any chance at all at getting that egg?? He says the egg can live in the tube for a couple of days, yes he's a pro and is very successful but my research says he should do it Saturday morning or even Sunday morning.

Should I do it Friday night and hope the sperm lasts long enough. I was so excited about this and now I am a little worried.

HELP ME!! I AM WORRYING - AGAIN!! :dohh:

:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
I would try and find a clinic that does weeken service. That was one reason I picked the clinic I went with- I had confidence they would really watch and follow my body cues than waste few days of waiting when it could be done on the weekend. Not sure what u can do at this point though. Yikes. Hope other ladies offer good tips or success stories of waiting few extra days working for them.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Members online

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,650,308
Messages
27,145,021
Members
255,759
Latest member
boom2211
Back
Top
monitoring_string = "c48fb0faa520c8dfff8c4deab485d3d2"
<-- Admiral -->