Disco Derail! - TTCAL/PAL Discussion and Support!

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Grrr, I just spent like 30 minutes typing up a response on my iPhone for it to get lost when B&B went down for a second. I'm going to recreate, but it won't be nearly as good!

Megg, your email was amazing. I'm so impressed with your grace and eloquence as you stood up for yourself. No wonder your doctor responded immediately. I think the IVF option sounds great for you. You'll get more monitoring and personalized care. You just upped those odds! I hope this gives you a sense of hope and something to look forward too. I hope you are feeling better.

Allie, I've done a lot of reading about late ovulation and it seems the jury is still out on whether or not it means you have bad/old eggs and uterine lining. My FS didn't seem concerned with my late Ov. I'll ask my new FS and see what she thinks. I know many women who had healthy pregnancies with late Ov. My husband's cousin Ov'd on CD 40 when she got pregnant with her son!

As for ovulating twice, it is possible, but not so far apart. If it happened it would have been a day apart at the latest. There was a woman on the Today show who ovulated twice, had sex with two different men a day apart and got pregnant by each of them. She had "twins" with different fathers!!! Are you sure your test line was the dark one? I couldn't tell which was which. If I were to look at your chart, it looks like you Ov'd on CD21. If you did have a positive OPK today, then I'm definitely confused. Keep charting, it might give you more info in a few days. Maybe you are Ov'ing today/tomorrow. If so, you could always try soy next cycle to try and Ov sooner. Megg is the soy guru, so you can ask her for advice. Or, you could ask for Clomid. (My iPhone kept wanting to call Clomid cookies! Imagine a world where we could determine our ovulation by eating cookies! Heaven! Oatmeal chocolate chip for me please!) If nothing else, the CBFM will be more reliable than reading those damn lines.

As for BMI and Ov, I don't know much about it. I'm surprised that it would make such a difference, especially if you only need to lose 15 - 20 lbs. That doesn't sound right to me.

If anyone understands the frustration of late Ov and pinpointing Ov, it's me. I can totally relate to your frustration. It can be maddening, especially when everyone else is Ov'ing on CD 14. There are options though. It doesn't have to be like this forever. xoxo

 

[Allie84]

I'll ask my new FS and see what she thinks.

Are you sure your test line was the dark one? I couldn't tell which was which. If I were to look at your chart, it looks like you Ov'd on CD21. If you did have a positive OPK today, then I'm definitely confused. Keep charting, it might give you more info in a few days. Maybe you are Ov'ing today/tomorrow. If so, you could always try soy next cycle to try and Ov sooner. Megg is the soy guru, so you can ask her for advice. Or, you could ask for Clomid. (My iPhone kept wanting to call Clomid cookies! Imagine a world where we could determine our ovulation by eating cookies! Heaven! Oatmeal chocolate chip for me please!) If nothing else, the CBFM will be more reliable than reading those damn lines.

As for BMI and Ov, I don't know much about it. I'm surprised that it would make such a difference, especially if you only need to lose 15 - 20 lbs. That doesn't sound right to me.

If anyone understands the frustration of late Ov and pinpointing Ov, it's me. I can totally relate to your frustration. It can be maddening, especially when everyone else is Ov'ing on CD 14. There are options though. It doesn't have to be like this forever. xoxo

Oh hearty, thank you so much for your response! It is just what I needed to hear. I have been feeling so disheartened (pardon the pun hehe) this evening.

As for today's OPK, I am sure the test line is the dark one-if you click on the pic and make it large it shows which lines are 'T' and 'C'. It is truly confusing. If this is indeed ov and I get AF in two weeks, I think I am going to try soy or Clomid rofl: at cookies being Clomid..ah, the world would be a better place). I have another doctor's appointment booked to discuss my cycles next week. I'm wary of medication which leans me towards soy. Or acupuncture as you used! I need to look into that. But at the same time this is maddening ,and it totally is frustrating to see everyone else ovulate at a normal time. What always gets me is that this is a new phenomenon. It's like the universe's joke right as I decide to TTC.

When questioned about BMI and ov, my doctor said that my hormones must be really sensitive to weight gain (those 20 lbs I want to lose were all gained post wedding) and I am just an unfortunate person who is intolerant to being overweight. No pudge allowed apparently. It does seem bizarre, and this small town I live in means getting to see a specialist is nearly impossible so I am relying on family doctors for all of this info.

Anyways, thanks again so much for your response. Definitely let me know what your FS says about late ovulation. I hope everything is going okay....thinking of you often and hoping for some insight for you with
your new doctors.

 

[Sparkly]

Meg it's brill to wake up and see some positive posts from you hun, your FS is fantastic..I love him! IVF all the way hun...I can't wait to see you dream come true x

Allie, i find it so hard to believe that 15lbs is causing such a cycle change I am obese, with pcos and have regular cycles and ovulation. Don't be fobbed off chick, if you feel you need a second opinion, go get it x

Hearty mmmm clomid cookies Hope your okay hunny x

 

[Megg33k]

Thanks, girls!

Hearty - Actually, it CAN happen significantly further apart than that... its just not common. There was a woman who conceived her twins 2 weeks apart... Doctors were able to confirm. So, its not completely impossible, its just super rare.

 

[vickyd]

Hey Ladies!

Meggles i like your determination girl! Full speed ahead with IVF!!!!!
Allie i hope you get your cycle into shape quick doll!! See what is the most natural way at this point to bring on ovulation quicker. I dont think you will be given clomid at this point, at least in Greece its never given unless there is documented evidence of not ovulating.

Sparkly its great to have you back chicka!!!!

Hearty my next scan is Oct. 4th...Im dreading it after last time tbh. I never argued with doc on such a heated level before. At one point he told me that if i didnt trust him then why was i still seeing him. I do trust him its just that after what ive been through its hard for me to just accept that things are going ok, he should be more in tuned with this i think.

Today i woke up with the worst hip pain ever, it took me 3 times as long to walk the same distance walk every day....The bright side of the day is that we are bringing Popi home after her very long vacation at the beach house with my inlaws. Im gonna smother her so much tonight shell be hiding under the bed at some point!

 

[Fergie89]

i keep dreaming that i am pregnant with twins! LoL!!!!! xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[Megg33k]

Perhaps you are, Fergie!

 

[LucyJ]

Morning Girls,

Megg it was lovely to wake up and see your posts your dr really is on the ball. I'm so pleased you have a plan and a way forward. IVF sounds like a great option and I am so pleased that you are being taken care of, there should be more dr's around like that.

AFM: Well I've have made my appointment to see the midwife she sounded really lovely and supportive which is good as I wasn't impressed with the midwife last time round and this is a different lady. Seeing her on the 13th Oct at 10am for my booking in appointment.

 

[Megg33k]

Thanks, Luce!

Good luck with the new MW. Glad she seems better than the last!

Side note: Have any of you ever want to just write up a book called "What Mummy Went Through To Get You!" and give it to your future child? I mean... Not literally do it... but just so that they know how much they were wanted?

Let me introduce you to Chapter 3 of my book (Ch 1 = Natural, Ch 2 = IUI, Ch 3 = IVF)...

An IVF cycle at SIRM involves the following steps:

Preparing for Controlled Ovarian Hyperstimulation (COH)
Undergoing Controlled Ovarian Hyperstimulation
Egg Retrieval
Sperm Processing
Fertilization of Eggs in the Laboratory
Selecting the Best Embryos for Transfer
Embryo Transfer
(Optional) Cryopreservation (Freezing) of Remaining Embryos

Click here for a detailed overview of fertility medications.

I'm going a bit over here!

 

[vickyd]

Awww Megg, it can get so fustrating you just wanna scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alex constantly tells me we will defo use the "what i went through to have you line" in the future lol!!! I personally never wanna say those words but i think i wont be able to help myself!!

 

[prgirl_cesca]

Oh vicky it's hard sometimes when they're not giving you enough info etc. I felt like that after our first scan when she didn't even give me the bpm on the heartbeat or let me look at the screen long enough to see the heartbeat properly but my husband had a big go at me and said I just HAVE to trust she knows what she's talking about and if something was wrong then she would have said.

Hard to deal with though. Very hard.

 

[Megg33k]

I'm sure they would have mentioned any potential issues! I can't imagine them keeping something to themselves!

 

[vickyd]

Very true Megg but at the same time logic and emotion/instinct dont always go hand in hand. I believe that he would defo tell me if something was off but at the same time my gut instinct is telling me something is not right. Maybe its the fear talking and not instinct but i do think they should be more sensitive towards these issues. In my first pregnancy all was perfect till week 15 and at my anomaly scan that was COMPLETELY not the case so its only natural for me to be feeling this way.

 

[Megg33k]

Oh, I agree! I don't mean to suggest that you don't have good reason to feel what you're feeling... and they SHOULD be more sensitive about it. I just like to think that they wouldn't keep you in the dark! I hope its all fear and no instinct, honey! I've batted 1000 so far... and I feel like it'll be okay!

 

[LucyJ]

Megg my sil suffered a mmc many years ago now but when she was trying to get pregnanct for the second time she wrote a diary about her journey as it took her a while to get pregnant again the pregnancy was a successfull one and her little boy is 7 now, I dont know if she'll give it to her son to read but I've read it and it is so beautiful and heartbraking all at the same time. I think it was a very good thing for her to do as a way of dealing with the heartbrake of not getting pregnant and the fear when she did of something going wrong and the pure happiness she felt as the pregnancy continued successfully.

My midwife apointment has now changed its on the 12th now same time which is the same day as my scan so that will hopefully be a very good day. Feeling nervous and scared I guess it's all real now and I'm scared it will go wrong again. Had a horried dream were I was bleeding woke up and had to dash to the toliet just to check it wasnt true I think its really shaken me. Sometimes I think I dont feel pregnant but I guess I just have to have faith and hope that all will be alright.

 

[Sassy_TTC]

Aww Lucy it's completely normal to feel that way, just remember that you said yourself that it feels so different this time around, I have every faith that this is it for you. I CAANOT wait until your first scan, I'm proberly nearly as excited as you (clearly I need to get a life)!xxx

Megg - OMFG Hunny I'm over the moon that your going to be having IVF, I have no idea what's involved but I'm looking forward to reading your journey through it.

Hi to everyone else, I'll be back later.xxxxx

 

[msarkozi]

I'm excited for you Megg! How soon are you going to start?

 

[pregoinnorge]

I think your letter was absolutely wonderful, megg! I am so happy that your doctor is just as eager as you are to get that baby in your arms. That is truly amazing that IVF is also covered by your insurance! Even though pregnancy medical care is free in Norway, IVF is not free, and is actually quite expensive. I haven't really looked into it yet, but yeah, you totally scored on that one!

Today was kind of weird for me. One of my good friends here got herself into a little predicament by cheating on her husband and then getting pregnant. She had like 3 mcs in the past with her husband and then gets knocked up during her affair. Today she texted me to tell me she's 19 weeks now and it's a girl. Don't get me wrong, I AM happy that she's getting the baby that she's always wanted, but it's just hard for me that even with all her lying and deceits and the magnitude of complications this brings to her marriage and everything that's she's pregnant and I am not. I know that's jealous and selfish and everything, and I really don't want to feel this way, but I seriously felt like I got punched in the stomach with her text. And to make matters worse, she adds at the end, "can't you hurry up and get pregnant so we can be on leave together?" Double ugh.

Thanks for all your kind words about the job situation. It's actually starting to stress me out a little bit. See, when I moved to Norway for my husband, I kind of "gave up" a good career in the States. I had just started as an assistant professor of chemistry at a small university, but we realized that there was no way for him to get a job in such a small town. So I found a position with a private research and development company in Norway and am really happy here now. I mean I spent freaking 10 years at the university to finish my PhD and then I even spent time as a post-doc at Berkeley to finally get my "dream job" in the States. But then I moved for love, and now I feel like it's just happening again in some way. I want to be supportive of him, of course, but I just feel like I am always having to give my career up.
Sorry for the rant.
And yes, I most definitely would return to work if I ever miraculously have a kid. Norway is incredibly supportive of working mothers and there would be no reason not to. Unless of course my husband can find a job making the equivalent of two professional salaries, but I doubt that will ever happen.
OK, no more feeling sorry for myself. Sorry for the novel here

 

[Megg33k]

Lucy - That's a perfectly normal way to feel, babe! Everything crossed that your scan goes perfectly!

Amy - Oh man! I could see where you'd be hesitant to do that again! It does sound very much like you're being asked to give up your career once again... and yours is just as important as his! I don't know how quick I'd be to do it, tbh.

I'm excited for you Megg! How soon are you going to start?

Unfortunately, the next cycle starts in just a few days... and I'm a bit late to that one. So, The next available cycles starts Nov 1. I need you girls to try and occupy me until then! I think I'm going to lose my mind before then if I think about it too much! I just had to all explained, and wow! Its definitely different!


Soooo... What can I add to page 1 as what's going on with us? We have Lucy's scan... What else?

 

[prgirl_cesca]

My scan is the 14th October xx