Do you think that hospitals should provide formula milk?

[Janidog]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

And you have no help what so ever in regards to providing for YOUR baby?

Irrelevant surely?

More to the point though, I take responsibility for the choices I make in regards to my baby. From the day he was born, If I'd made a choice to do with his care, then I had the things I needed to provide that without expecting someone else to hand them to me simply because it was there.

Thats my whole point here, that if you make the informed decision to FF from birth, then you take on the responsibility of providing the required stuff to do that. It's not up to anyone else to pay your way.

So we should pay into a system so you can have all the help you need from lactation specialists etc and we should have to pay for a few measly bottles of formula because we choose to FF???

Apparently so, but the lactation specialist supposedly prevents millions of children from illness compare to ff babies who are apparently in out of hospital because they have been formula fed and always ill

 

[NG09]

Well if you are choosing to BF but need help then pay for it. Double standards I think!

 

[Janidog]

I prefer clinchers over tubs, cause it means i can train on my time trial bike through the winter without having to worry about damaging my race wheels.

I have a shimano bike and a campag bike - hope this helps with the debate

 

[Sarah&Ady]

Okay a few bottles of formula which you can otherwise afford is TOTALLY different to lactaction specialists, who some women depend on to actually breastfeed successfully. (I'm not even anti-free formula but thats a stupid comparison)

Not really..... we all pay in and we all take out. Just in different ways.

 

[ShanandBoc]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

If as a mother my child went into hospital would I have to supply her meals?

I really don't see how thats even comparable. If your child went into hospital at any other time, I imagine it would be because they were ill, in an accident, otherwise hurt or injured etc. the of course the hospital would (and should) provide them with meals.

But at birth, if you KNOW that you don't want to BF, and you KNOW that you will be FF from birth, why would you not be prepared for that yourself? You know they'll need clothes, you take in clothes, you know they'll need nappies, you take in nappies, you know you'll need maternity pads for yourself, you take them in yourself. Why would you not take formula in yourself if you KNOW that you're going to need it.

Some newborn babies may very well be ill.

I dont see what that has to do with it tbh. A patient is a patient, whatever they are in for. As a new mum i wasnt ill during my hospital stay, but like my baby i was still required to be there for medical care.

The issue here is clearly people having a problem with formula, nothing else. Very sad.

well I hope that you're not implying I have a problem with formula. For whats its worth, it kept my son out of special care when he was born. Because like many, I had a baby that wouldn't feed, wouldn't latch, was jaundice, and was about to get VERY ill. Formula stopped that from happening, and allowed us to be discharged the next day.
He was combi fed for 5wks until a medical professional FINALLY listened to me and his 90% tongue tie was diagnosed and snipped and we were able to begin the very hard process to get him a breast fed baby.

Every step of the way here I've said that it should be available when medically needed.

I DO NOT have an issue with formula, I DO NOT have an issue with FF mummies. What I DO have issues with, is people expecting everything to be handed to them, that they could so easily provide for themselves, if they've made the CHOICE to do so. Rather then take the responsibility for the choice they've made, they expect the NHS to fork out hundreds of thousands more each year on formula because Joe Blogs doesn't think they should have to supply it for the first day their baby is alive.

Im sorry i still dont understand why you have an issue with formula being provided but not meals for the mother or any other patient? Hence why the issue seems to be with formula itself

 

[Raggydoll]

This would be a nightmare to legislate.

It's singling out somebody's personal choice. We all know the pro's and con's and make our own choices based on this.

If people provided their own supplies can you imagine the nightmare of sterilising, making up the milk, storing the milk. Thee wouldn't be the room.

Not everybody is decent, it's quite likely someone is going to help themselves to someone elses supplies.

 

[Kota]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

And you have no help what so ever in regards to providing for YOUR baby?

Irrelevant surely?

More to the point though, I take responsibility for the choices I make in regards to my baby. From the day he was born, If I'd made a choice to do with his care, then I had the things I needed to provide that without expecting someone else to hand them to me simply because it was there.

Thats my whole point here, that if you make the informed decision to FF from birth, then you take on the responsibility of providing the required stuff to do that. It's not up to anyone else to pay your way.

So we should pay into a system so you can have all the help you need from lactation specialists etc and we should have to pay for a few measly bottles of formula because we choose to FF???

You know what they did when I requested a lactation consultant..

They handed me formula.

I got absolutely zilch help from ANY lactation consultant. Instead, I got told my boy had a 'lazy latch' and to give him a bottle instead and not stress myself out about it.

If ONLY they had supplied an LC on that first day it would have saved me and my boy 6 wks of pure hell.

 

[NG09]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

And you have no help what so ever in regards to providing for YOUR baby?

Irrelevant surely?

More to the point though, I take responsibility for the choices I make in regards to my baby. From the day he was born, If I'd made a choice to do with his care, then I had the things I needed to provide that without expecting someone else to hand them to me simply because it was there.

Thats my whole point here, that if you make the informed decision to FF from birth, then you take on the responsibility of providing the required stuff to do that. It's not up to anyone else to pay your way.

So we should pay into a system so you can have all the help you need from lactation specialists etc and we should have to pay for a few measly bottles of formula because we choose to FF???

Apparently so, but the lactation specialist supposedly prevents millions of children from illness compare to ff babies who are apparently in out of hospital because they have been formula fed and always ill

erm...... bull!!! lol

 

[Kota]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

If as a mother my child went into hospital would I have to supply her meals?

I really don't see how thats even comparable. If your child went into hospital at any other time, I imagine it would be because they were ill, in an accident, otherwise hurt or injured etc. the of course the hospital would (and should) provide them with meals.

But at birth, if you KNOW that you don't want to BF, and you KNOW that you will be FF from birth, why would you not be prepared for that yourself? You know they'll need clothes, you take in clothes, you know they'll need nappies, you take in nappies, you know you'll need maternity pads for yourself, you take them in yourself. Why would you not take formula in yourself if you KNOW that you're going to need it.

Some newborn babies may very well be ill.

I dont see what that has to do with it tbh. A patient is a patient, whatever they are in for. As a new mum i wasnt ill during my hospital stay, but like my baby i was still required to be there for medical care.

The issue here is clearly people having a problem with formula, nothing else. Very sad.

well I hope that you're not implying I have a problem with formula. For whats its worth, it kept my son out of special care when he was born. Because like many, I had a baby that wouldn't feed, wouldn't latch, was jaundice, and was about to get VERY ill. Formula stopped that from happening, and allowed us to be discharged the next day.
He was combi fed for 5wks until a medical professional FINALLY listened to me and his 90% tongue tie was diagnosed and snipped and we were able to begin the very hard process to get him a breast fed baby.

Every step of the way here I've said that it should be available when medically needed.

I DO NOT have an issue with formula, I DO NOT have an issue with FF mummies. What I DO have issues with, is people expecting everything to be handed to them, that they could so easily provide for themselves, if they've made the CHOICE to do so. Rather then take the responsibility for the choice they've made, they expect the NHS to fork out hundreds of thousands more each year on formula because Joe Blogs doesn't think they should have to supply it for the first day their baby is alive.

Im sorry i still dont understand why you have an issue with formula being provided but not meals for the mother or any other patient? Hence why the issue seems to be with formula itself

Because I'd rather the money that you're wanting spent on providing formula that a mother could provide themselves as they know thats what they will need. be spent on things like providing someone else with the life saving surgery they may need, etc.

 

[special_kala]

It seems that its some of the FF turning this into a BF vs FF discussion. Personally dont see the need for it but whatever makes your day go quicker i guess

 

[smelly07]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

And you have no help what so ever in regards to providing for YOUR baby?

Irrelevant surely?

More to the point though, I take responsibility for the choices I make in regards to my baby. From the day he was born, If I'd made a choice to do with his care, then I had the things I needed to provide that without expecting someone else to hand them to me simply because it was there.

Thats my whole point here, that if you make the informed decision to FF from birth, then you take on the responsibility of providing the required stuff to do that. It's not up to anyone else to pay your way.

No not irrelevent, Most people CHOOSE to bring a child into this world therfore should they provide everything for their baby without any help?

 

[Lellow]

Theres tons of things we could do to save hospitals money! Why is formula one that is first in line?!
If your going to remove a babies meal, then remove everyone elses too as its essentially the same thing!

 

[ShanandBoc]

It seems that its some of the FF turning this into a BF vs FF discussion. Personally dont see the need for it but whatever makes your day go quicker i guess

Just wow. Like i said if its not about formula, what is it about? Its those against it that are turning this into a FF v's BF debate. Why is formula being singled out?

 

[ShanandBoc]

Theres tons of things we could do to save hospitals money! Why is formula one that is first in line?!
If your going to remove a babies meal, then remove everyone elses too as its essentially the same thing!

My point exactly.

 

[Lellow]

Weve been mooooooooooooooved

 

[Kota]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

And you have no help what so ever in regards to providing for YOUR baby?

Irrelevant surely?

More to the point though, I take responsibility for the choices I make in regards to my baby. From the day he was born, If I'd made a choice to do with his care, then I had the things I needed to provide that without expecting someone else to hand them to me simply because it was there.

Thats my whole point here, that if you make the informed decision to FF from birth, then you take on the responsibility of providing the required stuff to do that. It's not up to anyone else to pay your way.

No not irrelevent, Most people CHOOSE to bring a child into this world therfore should they provide everything for their baby without any help?

going a bit off topic arn't you there? Theres a BIG difference between a mother choosing to FF, providing that formula herself when her baby is born, and a mother never getting help from anyone ever from that day forth which seems to be what you want me to say. .

 

[special_kala]

It seems that its some of the FF turning this into a BF vs FF discussion. Personally dont see the need for it but whatever makes your day go quicker i guess

Just wow. Like i said if its not about formula, what is it about. Its those against it that are turning this into a FF v's BF debate. Why is formula being singled out?

Money?

 

[jstarr]

wait WTF am i doing arguing about milk on the internet when the sun is shining, i'm off!

good idea me too

 

[smelly07]

and as a mother, you should be responsible for providing that food for YOUR baby, however that may be, Not relying on someone else to do it for you.

And you have no help what so ever in regards to providing for YOUR baby?

Irrelevant surely?

More to the point though, I take responsibility for the choices I make in regards to my baby. From the day he was born, If I'd made a choice to do with his care, then I had the things I needed to provide that without expecting someone else to hand them to me simply because it was there.

Thats my whole point here, that if you make the informed decision to FF from birth, then you take on the responsibility of providing the required stuff to do that. It's not up to anyone else to pay your way.

No not irrelevent, Most people CHOOSE to bring a child into this world therfore should they provide everything for their baby without any help?

going a bit off topic arn't you there? Theres a BIG difference between a mother choosing to FF, providing that formula herself when her baby is born, and a mother never getting help from anyone ever from that day forth which seems to be what you want me to say. .

Its the same principle....no?......

 

[Kota]

Theres tons of things we could do to save hospitals money! Why is formula one that is first in line?!
If your going to remove a babies meal, then remove everyone elses too as its essentially the same thing!

okay, well then they shouldn't supply nappies then either. After all, no one goes into hospital not intending on putting their baby in nappies. They should supply them themselves. Why should it be up to the hospital to do that?

It's the same principle,. knowing what your baby will need in those first days, based on what you've decided and making sure you as the mother/father provide that.