Do you think that hospitals should provide formula milk?

[LoraLoo]

Formula is fine but its no way just as good. idk why people say it is?!

Nor me Im amazed this thread is still going

 

[PepsiChic]

Im sorry but you cant say ff is not nutritional its been carefully put together to be just as nutitional...

almost...

 

[LoraLoo]

Im sorry but you cant say ff is not nutritional its been carefully put together to be just as nutitional...

almost...

nowhere near imo, and yes ive FF and BF.

 

[PepsiChic]

Im sorry but you cant say ff is not nutritional its been carefully put together to be just as nutitional...

almost...

nowhere near imo, and yes ive FF and BF.

i dunno...with the technology and science that goes into making formula its not as far away from BM as people thing. infact there are things in formula that there isnt enough of it breast milk! (like vitamin d for example)

and ive done both BF and FF too. so im not bothered either way on the whole BF vs FF debate.

 

[Blah11]

Yes well vitamin D isnt really an issue unless you never take your LO outside

Formula does its job. It keeps a baby alive and growing but thats about it. I won't rattle off the benefits of breastmilk because I'm sure everyone knows them but its not just about basic nutrition and people forget there's lots of benefits for mum too, not just the baby.

 

[Lena]

I just don't get why people have this sense of entitlement that the hospital should give them this and that. As I said on pg 42, yes, formula should be there if the mommy wants to breastfeed but isn't able to once she has the baby, but if you know before you have the baby that you want to FF, then you should bring your formula and bottles to hospital to feed YOUR baby.

 

[Blah11]

^ If its not hospitals it's some other public service.. police, schools, even benefits

 

[charli87]

lena i agree completely!

 

[PepsiChic]

Yes well vitamin D isnt really an issue unless you never take your LO outside

Formula does its job. It keeps a baby alive and growing but thats about it. I won't rattle off the benefits of breastmilk because I'm sure everyone knows them but its not just about basic nutrition and people forget there's lots of benefits for mum too, not just the baby.

well when i was BF LO it was July/August and no i didnt take LO outside...when its 55C outside it'd do him much more harm going outside then staying in the house with the AC. so he had vitamin D supplements. thats why here in the US its recommended to give them vit d supplements because the weather isnt always friendly enough to take LO outside.

 

[Blah11]

Suppose but thats generally not an issue in the UK, lol. I think most of this arguement is relevant for the UK more so than the US due to the NHS and stuff.

 

[freckleonear]

Im sorry but you cant say ff is not nutritional its been carefully put together to be just as nutitional...

almost...

nowhere near imo, and yes ive FF and BF.

i dunno...with the technology and science that goes into making formula its not as far away from BM as people thing. infact there are things in formula that there isnt enough of it breast milk! (like vitamin d for example)

and ive done both BF and FF too. so im not bothered either way on the whole BF vs FF debate.

It's nowhere near the same despite what the formula companies would have us believe, have a quick look at https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/whatsinbreastmilk.pdf if you want to be amazed.

 

[freckleonear]

Regarding the "hospitals feed patients, babies are patients too" argument, the way I see it is that the NHS provides basic food for patients. They don't usually need to provide for babies because breastmilk is the normal food for babies (by which I mean biological norm). Anything other than the norm, i.e. formula, should be provided by the parents, just as patients with special dietary requirements (cultural, ethical or medical) often have to provide their own food.

 

[24/7]

Regarding the "hospitals feed patients, babies are patients too" argument, the way I see it is that the NHS provides basic food for patients. They don't usually need to provide for babies because breastmilk is the normal food for babies (by which I mean biological norm). Anything other than the norm, i.e. formula, should be provided by the parents, just as patients with special dietary requirements (cultural, ethical or medical) often have to provide their own food.

As coeliac who has to take all my food with me when I go into labour, I agree!! xx

 

[ttc_lolly]

I just don't get why people have this sense of entitlement that the hospital should give them this and that. As I said on pg 42, yes, formula should be there if the mommy wants to breastfeed but isn't able to once she has the baby, but if you know before you have the baby that you want to FF, then you should bring your formula and bottles to hospital to feed YOUR baby.

^ If its not hospitals it's some other public service.. police, schools, even benefits

EXACTLY both of these statements

This is what I meant to say but put in better words

 

[Mum22GTTC]

Regarding the "hospitals feed patients, babies are patients too" argument, the way I see it is that the NHS provides basic food for patients. They don't usually need to provide for babies because breastmilk is the normal food for babies (by which I mean biological norm). Anything other than the norm, i.e. formula, should be provided by the parents, just as patients with special dietary requirements (cultural, ethical or medical) often have to provide their own food.

Good point, hadn't thought of it from that angle!

 

[aliss]

Okay, bad wording, the nutritional option that the hospitals choose, is BF. Yes, formula has nutrition (I'm an FF mom btw), but it is not the nutrient option of choice.

 

[ShanandBoc]

Ok enough bagging of formula now. Why do these threads always end with people going on about HOW much better BF is and that FF is NO where near as good.

Is it REALLY necessary...again?

Lines like, 'well all it does is keep a baby alive'. I mean, come on! Be a bit more considerate. Many of us didnt choose to FF and had alot of emotional battles that went along with that. Just because you have been successful at it, have a bit of respect and understanding for those that didnt.

I dont think she was saying 'its just as good as breastmilk', just that it provides a baby with all their nutritional needs. Its been carefully formulated to do so.

 

[Kota]

I just don't get why people have this sense of entitlement that the hospital should give them this and that. As I said on pg 42, yes, formula should be there if the mommy wants to breastfeed but isn't able to once she has the baby, but if you know before you have the baby that you want to FF, then you should bring your formula and bottles to hospital to feed YOUR baby.

^ If its not hospitals it's some other public service.. police, schools, even benefits

EXACTLY both of these statements

This is what I meant to say but put in better words

Yep, I think this sums up what I have been trying to get across as well, it's not formula, or formula feeding mums I have issues with, but people that seem to have a sense of entitlement and that they should have it 'just because' even though they're more then capable of supplying it themselves as they have made the choice to do so and know it will be needed.

 

[PepsiChic]

i dunno...with the technology and science that goes into making formula its not as far away from BM as people thing. infact there are things in formula that there isnt enough of it breast milk! (like vitamin d for example)

and ive done both BF and FF too. so im not bothered either way on the whole BF vs FF debate.
It's nowhere near the same despite what the formula companies would have us believe, have a quick look at https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/whatsinbreastmilk.pdf if you want to be amazed.

it might not be exactly the same, or "nowhere near the same" but its not an evil posion that people are feeding their children...i mean if someone cant breastfeed or have money to get donor breastmilk what would you rather they give them? water? fruit juice? i think not.

formula has a reason, it serves a purpose it is made with an intent to provide nutrition and calories and everything a baby needs to survive AND thrive.

im very pro breastfeeding, and ive seen a few people on here who have pissed me off with comments such as "i didnt breastfeed because i still want to have my own life" and so forth and that just makes me speechless with anger!

but i do feel that people in this thread are making formula out to be an evil poison people are feeding their child.

breastmilk is the TOP choice, but if not then formula is the perfect second option!

 

[Kota]

So, I've continued to think about this today, and attempting to see it from the other side..... and I'm wondering.

If a mother has chosen to BF, and when the baby is born, there are issues that prevent her from doing so. (baby not latching, jaundice, requiring special care, mother needing further medical treatment etc) Should the hospital be obliged to provide that baby with donor breast milk free of charge?

Because going by a lot of the comments in here, that baby is a patient, and should be fed the special dietery requirements that it needs, as per the mothers wishes.

If the hospital is going to supply formula free of charge to those that have CHOOSEN to FF and have not bought it in with them because they think they are entitled to it free on the system. Then why should a mother who has CHOOSEN to breastfeed but is unable to provide it herself not be given the same consideration?