~* For the "Did I O?" Ladies *~ (An Ovulation and BBT Temping Guide)

overanalyzer- It looks like you geared up to O but it didn't happen. That can happen sometimes and is completely normal. You should keep doing opk's until after you see your temp rise and stay up. :flower:

vic- How frustrating! I'm keeping you in my thoughts. FX'd that you do O! :hugs:

I kind of believe my body has been trying to O but it just can't (cramps, more CM, etc). I had a rather high jump in temp this morning but we'll see if it stays that way. We have been BDing every day for over week but unfortunately my OH will be gone now until Monday for a fishing trip. :-(
 
Hey
Me again lol. Right ff now says im on dpo11. Does it look any dif now. The last 3/4 days have been odd, iv been gettin loads of tummy cramps, which i get only like a hr before af shows but no sign of her, iv had abad tummy which i always have for first few days of af, iv also noticed my tummy is swollen, n this morn been gettin quite nauseous. I never put symptoms in ff but i put on dpo1 that i had bad tummy cramps.
Does it spound gd or is it jus me being silly.
I also done a hpt n a opk yday which was like dpo16 until it changed today to dpo10 n they was both bfn.
Any ideas? N to top it all im flyin on holiday today. Not gd timin at all.
Vic x
 
UGH! My temp today is exactly the same as it was yesterday :/
 
Hey great thread pinksprinkles!! Love your write up at the beginning.
I have a question for you ladies.... I'm sure I ov'd, just need one more temp in and ff will confirm it. I used opk's this month and if you look at my chart there's a big lag btwn when my temp goes up and my last positive opk as well as some very clear fertile signs. I took one the day before and it was close to positive, then I got my +, then the next morning it was -. So I caught the end of my surge. I just don't get how that works - why does it take a few days to shoot up? I always have odd charts like this - never have the little dip then rise. It always takes a while to go up. Any thoughts ladies? :flower:
 
It takes a few days to go up because you don't O the day of the positive. Normally one will O 12-36 hours after + OPK. Hope this helps!

Pinksprinkles will probably have a more in depth answer for you.
 
It takes a few days to go up because you don't O the day of the positive. Normally one will O 12-36 hours after + OPK. Hope this helps!

Pinksprinkles will probably have a more in depth answer for you.

yeah I've read that... I guess I always thought that it takes up to 36 hours bc you can still be surging and if you POAS you would get a +. What I'm hung up on is if my surge is over the next day after the + (bc the next day I got a neg), what exactly is stopping the temp from going up at that point... and I felt different the day I got the negative... CM had changed etc. I'm not completely convinced that the BBT is really pinpointing exactly when the egg comes out. Like for some ppl does it just take a couple days sometimes to get enough progesterone kicking to raise the BBT?

Sorry if that's not clear and I know I'm a little obsessive. I just hate it when I don't understand something. I feel like maybe the reason I haven't gotten preg yet is bc I'm not getting the timing right bc I'm jumping the gun. I'm always so worried I'll miss the eggy that I use all the good spermies up before the important day. :spermy:
 
Let me know what happens with your temp tomorrow. :flower: I hope it stays up!

Well, it stayed up (actually went up)! Had highest temp yet this morning! BUT, I'm feeling pretty bumbed out that I may have finally ovulated and OH wasn't here to BD the day of and the day(s) after (if I actually did O) :-(. I know they say spermies can survive for awhile but I'm just not very optimistic that they will catch an egg.

Question, I've been having little pains on right side close to my belly button, O cramps?. Also, my nipples have been rather sensitive the last couple of days - my boobs aren't really sore but it's more my nipples. I had a breast reduction years ago so never really had much feeling in both my nipples but this cycle I seem to feel more in both (and both nipples have actually been nipping out more at same time which is uncommon for me). And overall, I guess boobs do just feel heavier and achey at times. Hopefully all having to do with ovualtion?
 
It takes a few days to go up because you don't O the day of the positive. Normally one will O 12-36 hours after + OPK. Hope this helps!

Pinksprinkles will probably have a more in depth answer for you.

yeah I've read that... I guess I always thought that it takes up to 36 hours bc you can still be surging and if you POAS you would get a +. What I'm hung up on is if my surge is over the next day after the + (bc the next day I got a neg), what exactly is stopping the temp from going up at that point... and I felt different the day I got the negative... CM had changed etc. I'm not completely convinced that the BBT is really pinpointing exactly when the egg comes out. Like for some ppl does it just take a couple days sometimes to get enough progesterone kicking to raise the BBT?

Sorry if that's not clear and I know I'm a little obsessive. I just hate it when I don't understand something. I feel like maybe the reason I haven't gotten preg yet is bc I'm not getting the timing right bc I'm jumping the gun. I'm always so worried I'll miss the eggy that I use all the good spermies up before the important day. :spermy:

It seems like your over thinking this

You can have a + OPK around noon, a - that evening and still not O til the next day. Then the following day your temp should rise. It's not all immediate like you think.

NOTHING except sonograms can pinpoint exactly when the egg comes out.

Other than being monitored by a doctor, BBT is the most exact way of knowing.

:sex: every other day and you should have you bases covered for whenever the eggie decideds to come out :)
 
It takes a few days to go up because you don't O the day of the positive. Normally one will O 12-36 hours after + OPK. Hope this helps!

Pinksprinkles will probably have a more in depth answer for you.

yeah I've read that... I guess I always thought that it takes up to 36 hours bc you can still be surging and if you POAS you would get a +. What I'm hung up on is if my surge is over the next day after the + (bc the next day I got a neg), what exactly is stopping the temp from going up at that point... and I felt different the day I got the negative... CM had changed etc. I'm not completely convinced that the BBT is really pinpointing exactly when the egg comes out. Like for some ppl does it just take a couple days sometimes to get enough progesterone kicking to raise the BBT?

Sorry if that's not clear and I know I'm a little obsessive. I just hate it when I don't understand something. I feel like maybe the reason I haven't gotten preg yet is bc I'm not getting the timing right bc I'm jumping the gun. I'm always so worried I'll miss the eggy that I use all the good spermies up before the important day. :spermy:

It seems like your over thinking this

You can have a + OPK around noon, a - that evening and still not O til the next day. Then the following day your temp should rise. It's not all immediate like you think.

NOTHING except sonograms can pinpoint exactly when the egg comes out.

Other than being monitored by a doctor, BBT is the most exact way of knowing.

:sex: every other day and you should have you bases covered for whenever the eggie decideds to come out :)


Thank you for talking sense into me. :dohh: I needed that. Sometimes I get stuck on these things and they just bother me to no end. :flower:
 
Oh I know exactly how you are hun! If I can't figure out something I wanna know (even the most random thing) I wont stop til I find out. My hubs thinks I'm slightly eccentric :haha:

Just think of it this way...

+ OPK tells you O is on the way

Rise in BBT tells you O has happened

Some women know about the time it happens because they can feel it. Other than that, it's kind of a guessing game on EXACTLY the moment it happens.
 
Hey great thread pinksprinkles!! Love your write up at the beginning.
I have a question for you ladies.... I'm sure I ov'd, just need one more temp in and ff will confirm it. I used opk's this month and if you look at my chart there's a big lag btwn when my temp goes up and my last positive opk as well as some very clear fertile signs. I took one the day before and it was close to positive, then I got my +, then the next morning it was -. So I caught the end of my surge. I just don't get how that works - why does it take a few days to shoot up? I always have odd charts like this - never have the little dip then rise. It always takes a while to go up. Any thoughts ladies? :flower:

First off, when did you BD? I can let you know if your bases are covered.

As far as all the specifics of when to BD?

The easy answer:

For your best chance at conception, BD from your +OPK until your temps are up for a couple days using sperm-friendly lube on any days you don't have fertile CM.

The super detailed answer:

Your +OPK signals your rise in LH (which is immediately preceded by a rise in estrogen, often causing a dip), which triggers ovulation. Once ovulation occurs, the corpus luteum begins producing progesterone. Once the progesterone is in your system, your temp rises. (I'm guessing you probably know all this.) After this there is a secondary estrogen surge (which can show as a dip around 4-8dpo).

So it goes like this Estrogen Surge (temp dip) -> LH Surge -> Ovulation -> Progesterone Rise (temp rise) -> Secondary Estrogen Surge (temp dip) -> Estrogen Subsides -> Hormones Hold Steady -> Corpus Luteum Dies -> Progesterone Fall (temp fall) -> AF. (If pregnancy is established, the corpus luteum will not die and progesterone level will stay elevated, keeping your temp elevated.)

The most likely time O will occur is within 24-48 hours from your darkest +OPK. (Full range of O time is somewhere around 10 to 60 hours.) This is why doctors say make sure to BD the day after the +OPK, and fertility specialists often have patients come in for their IUI the day after the +OPK as well. This is to say that if you are only going to be able to BD once, the best time is 24 hours after you see a +OPK.

Another point of of note is that a small portion of women see their temp dip immediately at/after O. If you O at night, this can mean that your temp will not be seen as elevated until at least 2 dpo.

If you have multiple attempts of BD available but are not regularly BD'ing prior to your +OPK, the recommendation is to begin BD'ing day of +OPK and continue BD'ing daily until you see your temp rise. If sperm count is an issue, some doctors will recommend not BD'ing on +OPK day and instead BD'ing the following day and then each day leading up to your temp rise. If you want to really maximize your chance at conception, you want to make sure to continue to BD at least every other day until your temp has been elevated for three days.

What I often recommend is BD'ing every other day at the first sight of fertile CM, and then once you see a +OPK, begin BD'ing every day starting the day after the +OPK until you've seen two days of temp rise. I say two day rise because a one day rise could possibly be a fluke, and you do want to make sure you BD the day of actual temp rise. In my experience, two days covers your bases.

In your case, I would have said BD on: CD's 11, 13, and 15 (for every other day), and the 16-19 (as everyday post O until 2 day rise). With this schedule you would have been covered for an ovulation occurring anytime between CD 11 and CD 21.

Note: If you are having non-fertile CM but have not seen a rise in temp, use a sperm-friendly lubricant inserted 15 minutes prior to sex. Some women have decreased estrogen levels following their LH surge and their CM dries up before ovulation occurs. It is important to insert the lube at least 15 minutes before sex so that the lube has adequate time to raise in temp to body temperature, correct the pH level of the vagina, and be taken into the cervix.

Second Note: If you and your partner are not having sex regularly prior to +OPK, you do want to make sure that he is ejaculating at least once every 6 days. Letting the testes sit without release for over a week causes the next ejaculation to contain a disproportionate number of dead and defective sperm. If this is the primary ejaculation post +OPK, you decrease your chances of conception.
 
overanalyzer- It does look like you may have O'd on CD 29 or 30. When did you last BD? Your symptoms are all signs of having O'd.

Powell130- Do you have a chart link to your temps? It would be great to be able to check them out! If you look at my previous charts, you will notice similar/same temps often occur and are normal in BBT charting. (Don't look at the really long cycle though. I screwed up my body with supplements and that chart is incredibly abnormal and really messed up.) My charts:

https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/34e7df/thumb.png
~*My Fertility Chart*~
 
Omg Pinksprinkles you are a star. That was so helpful for so many reasons.

I BD'd the day before +OPK, day of +OPK, next day took a break then Bd'd the day I'm expecting FF to say I ov'd. (CD14, 15, & 17) My naturopath said I should hold off a few days before I expect to O then try and get it the day before, day of, and day after. So it didn't really go according to plan bc we started a bit early and then there's the lag btwn +OPK & actual Ov. DH hasn't had a sperm test yet, but he says not much semen comes out when we BD 2 days in a row. Anyway our timing isn't bad, but I do want to try saving up then getting closer to the actual O day. Been doing the SMEP thing and then just straight up every other day... Been over a year now gotta keep trying new things.

Thanks so much for that reply - helped explain a lot of things I've been pondering. :)
 
overanalyzer- It does look like you may have O'd on CD 29 or 30. When did you last BD? Your symptoms are all signs of having O'd.

We last BD on the night of CD 30. And pinksprinkles, I cannot thank you enough for all your insight and help!!!!! I truly mean it when I say, if anyone deserves a BFP, it's you! You have been more than helpful to so many of us on here. Even if you've had to repeat yourself, you've always taken the time to do so...it has helped me greatly just knowing that if I have a question, you've been there. Thank you!!!
 
https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3dcb34/thumb.png
My Ovulation Chart

Could you also take a peak at this?

https://babyandbump.momtastic.com/trying-to-conceive/1130893-opk-poll.html

that was my OPK this afternoon. I took one around 11:30 am, 3 something, and around 11:30 pm. The first one was kinda dark, the second almost looked positive to me and the one I just took was white.
 
I love you for this entire thread. I was SO confused about all of this, and you really explained in a way that made it so easy to understand, I am going to tell my doctor he needs to read this because THIS is how he needs to explain it!!!! lol
 
PinkPeony- Sounds like your timing was perfectly fine! :happydance: Glad I could help reveal a bit of the mystery. :winkwink:

overanalyzer- Aw, thanks hun! :blush: And no problem at all. I enjoy helping people get BFP's. It makes me not getting one seem a little more okay, because in the meana time I get to see so many other wonderful women get theirs. I like to feel like I'm a little part of that. Bte, did you BD on CD 27, 28, or 29? If you did, I would think your timing is spot on. :flower: CD 30 BD may have been perfect as well, depending on exactly what time you O'd. I'm keeping my FX'd for you!

Powell130- Your chart looks great! A few same temps is completely normal. There is absolutely nothing odd about your chart. The OPK looks very close to positive. I'd say make sure to BD tomorrow and the next day, and be sure to watch for your temp to rise. Keep on doing you OPK's until you wee your temp spike. A word of caution- be careful bout your OH drinking. Drinking alcohol, even in moderation, can hinder sperm production and development up to 6 months out. (Sperm take some time to develop so alcohol can have lasting repercussions.) Our better halves are never keen on cutting out the booze, but some men actually go from almost zero sperm count as a drinker to perfect numbers 6 months after cutting out alcohol. The less alcohol involved in TTC the greater your chance at conception. (Same with caffeine!)

J_Lynn- Aw :haha: Thanks! You know, I sometimes think doctors don't explain it like this because the just don't know it all from the consumer side. They know their medical bit, but the rest of it is just not what they deal with in the day to day ad they often have hard time converting to layman-enough speech that the average person can comprehend what they're saying. It just get's so garbled, and often time I think they try to dumb it down too much and they don't give you enough info to really "get" what they're saying. And that goes for pregnancy, too! I teach childbirth education and doula part time, and you wouldn't believe some of the things that OB/Gyn's fail to tell their clients! (I hate the term "patient" and just refuse to use it.) For my personal TTC care, I often find myself explaining to my midwife what is going on, what tests I need, and what meds I think would help. Last appt, I pretty much went in, showed her my charts, ran her through the newest details, and told her what meds I figured would be most helpful. And you know what, that's exactly what she prescribed! I love that my care providers trust my knowledge and let me plan my own treatment, and I love that I can respect them and trust them let me know when they have an idea they think will work better. I kind of feel like a group project! :winkwink: Hopefully I get an A+ (or at least a + ) at the end!
 
That makes me feel better about my chart. I see now HOW exact you have to be with your temp time now :) the beginning of my chart looks kinda crazy :wacko:
Okay so I slept thru my alarm (or so I thought, I accidentally set it for PM) this morning so I ended up temping about 2 hours later (i discarded on my chart) and with the regular it was 97.5 and BBT was 97.20. Maybe a temp jump, maybe not lol not counting on that one.
OH drinks once maybe every 6 months, so it's not regular enough to mess with his :spermy: and he had mayb 4 beers.
 
PinkPeony- Sounds like your timing was perfectly fine! :happydance: Glad I could help reveal a bit of the mystery. :winkwink:

overanalyzer- Aw, thanks hun! :blush: And no problem at all. I enjoy helping people get BFP's. It makes me not getting one seem a little more okay, because in the meana time I get to see so many other wonderful women get theirs. I like to feel like I'm a little part of that. Bte, did you BD on CD 27, 28, or 29? If you did, I would think your timing is spot on. :flower: CD 30 BD may have been perfect as well, depending on exactly what time you O'd. I'm keeping my FX'd for you!

Powell130- Your chart looks great! A few same temps is completely normal. There is absolutely nothing odd about your chart. The OPK looks very close to positive. I'd say make sure to BD tomorrow and the next day, and be sure to watch for your temp to rise. Keep on doing you OPK's until you wee your temp spike. A word of caution- be careful bout your OH drinking. Drinking alcohol, even in moderation, can hinder sperm production and development up to 6 months out. (Sperm take some time to develop so alcohol can have lasting repercussions.) Our better halves are never keen on cutting out the booze, but some men actually go from almost zero sperm count as a drinker to perfect numbers 6 months after cutting out alcohol. The less alcohol involved in TTC the greater your chance at conception. (Same with caffeine!)

J_Lynn- Aw :haha: Thanks! You know, I sometimes think doctors don't explain it like this because the just don't know it all from the consumer side. They know their medical bit, but the rest of it is just not what they deal with in the day to day ad they often have hard time converting to layman-enough speech that the average person can comprehend what they're saying. It just get's so garbled, and often time I think they try to dumb it down too much and they don't give you enough info to really "get" what they're saying. And that goes for pregnancy, too! I teach childbirth education and doula part time, and you wouldn't believe some of the things that OB/Gyn's fail to tell their clients! (I hate the term "patient" and just refuse to use it.) For my personal TTC care, I often find myself explaining to my midwife what is going on, what tests I need, and what meds I think would help. Last appt, I pretty much went in, showed her my charts, ran her through the newest details, and told her what meds I figured would be most helpful. And you know what, that's exactly what she prescribed! I love that my care providers trust my knowledge and let me plan my own treatment, and I love that I can respect them and trust them let me know when they have an idea they think will work better. I kind of feel like a group project! :winkwink: Hopefully I get an A+ (or at least a + ) at the end!

We def. BD those days as well! :) looks like we got lucky with timing and his trip so now its the waiting game.... thanks a million!
 

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