For the Reproductively Challenged xxxxx

[Kelly9]

well docs told me with low sperm around 12 to 15 mil very slightly lowered motility (barely anything) and slightly lowered morphology we have a 4% chance of conceiving.

If he has count issues there is a chance he will have other issues to, I don't want to be a debbie downer just want you to have accurate info. WHen is his official SA? and are they testing counts, motility and morphology?

 

[grneyednurse]

Yes, everything. I rather have truth than false wishes, so thank you. With those stats if I am computing correctly then that would take up 10 months and only 40% with the same problem would be pregnant? 20 months 80%....I don't even think that is correct...sigh

 

[Betty]

Hi everyone I am pretty new to this site. I joined a few days ago because my Hubby and I are ttc. I have been off BC since oct of '07, but my hubby was in Iraq for 12 of those months since. In may I used a first response fertility check and got a positive result. I didn't realize it at the time but in that case positive is NOT good. I did get preggers that same cycle, but MS my 5th week. Recently learning that the positive fertility actually meant that I have a elevated FSH which means My egg supply is low....My question is if anyone on here has or is going through the same thing?? I am only 27 and I am terrified that its going to be impossible for me to have a baby. I see the doctor on Tuesday to get a referral to a fertility doctor so that I can get further testing. Does anyone have any advise or experience in this area with the elevated FSH?

 

[cazd]

Heya Betty. I have heard someone talking about elevated FSH levels but it was a long time ago and I don't think they're in TTC anymore - ha - maybe they got their !

Does anyone else know about this?
If not I'd suggest a sneaky look at the LTTTC section. They're the absolute ORACLE of everything infertile ! but please feel free to join us over here I'd be interested to hear what your doctors say.

 

[cazd]

AND OMG!!!!


a week before your FS appointment you go and drop the bomb!!!!
FANTASTIC NEWS - any stick pics to show us?
GO get every stick you can find - ooh - and a CB digi - the holy grail !

Now... Mrs N you're in line for a little surpise too - I second the FRER suggestion from Kelly!

 

[cazd]

Hello cazd,

I was stalking around and seems like we both have DHs with low sperm count. I have only done the home sperm tests and both were <20 million...so we have to do the official SA soon too. I started on my tests and checks, but my doc is a quack and sloooooooooooowww to do tests. I am depressed at this point-this will be our ninth month of trying (really 11 if you count some of the unprotected months before we lived together and with each other daily) and I don't know how to keep going on. I read like the first 50 pages of your journal-good thing you live in the UK where you can at least have everything paid for though you may have to wait a bit should you need it (hope I am not being naiive). Anyhow, I will keep stalking and hope we all get miracle BFPs soon!

That's lovely that you waded through some of my journal - its mostly verbal diarrhoea!

But that's where we started out - with a home S/A that came up borderline low.
I've just dug out his results:
Total sperm count = 7 mil
rapid progression = 46% (no idea where I got 70% from earlier - soz)
normal morphology = 6%

the FS said that 15% morphology is good and a count of what... 20 million is good? oh - I can't even remember now!

We've been trying for a similar length of time and I'm well and truly sick of it !

So pull up a chair and join us - what tests are you having next?

 

[wannabeamom]

AND OMG!!!!


a week before your FS appointment you go and drop the bomb!!!!
FANTASTIC NEWS - any stick pics to show us?
GO get every stick you can find - ooh - and a BD digi - the holy grail !

Now... Mrs N you're in line for a little surpise too - I second the FRER suggestion from Kelly!

haha that made me chuckle!!!!!!!!! i know talk about unexpected!! the first month that i havent symptom spotted and af was late!!

i didnt have any sticks left so went to buy a couple and i was in sooo much shock!! the camera's battery was flat it wouldnt even switch on!!! dh could see the line but he had it in his head that they both had to be dark!!

promise i will buy a digi either this afternoon or fri and post a pic for you

mrs n

 

[grneyednurse]

Wowwwwwww yayyyyyyy!!!! A BFP!! Congratulations wannabeamom!!

cazd, I am going to set up the official SA for Monday I hope. My doc wants me to run around and get my records instead of having her assistants have it faxed over which makes me mad because I am so busy! I think she had blood work and a poss hysterosalpingogram for me next. I did take that home FSH test teice before and that was fine, I know I O, but as for my insides, I need to know if they rotted out after all these years (11 years since last childbirth and 3 years since last preg-from a fiance previous) or are in good working order...going to see what my endo biopsy results were when i go to my next appt, but you know...this low sperm thing makes TTC near hopeless...I am so sad...AF is here, but I am no longer angry, only sad and what if I have a new problem-this will be virtually impossible. I didn't get up to what you are currently trying to do to conceive so clue me in if ya don't mind?

 

[Mrs_N]

i am now convinced that i have ov'd at the weekend, which puts me at 4dpo today.
if you look at the chart overlay i have made the temps fit in perfectly.

 

[cazd]

WOOOO YEAH !!!
those temps are perfik !
4dpo though - that's ages 'till you can test BOOOOOOOO

As for me - I'm defo in my 2ww - just waiting for my temps to go up to confirm it.

and OH has to eat better, stop drinking and give up coffee. We've got a diet to follow but he's really struggled with it. All I can do is keep nudging and hope that I don't push him too hard.

2 months 'till we find out if its had any effect on his soldiers....

 

[Mrs_N]

yay for the 2ww, last time I was in a 2ww was April

 

[Kelly9]

Ok Cazd and grneyednurse (hahaha I just got your name now while I was trying to find a way to remember how to spell it... green eyed nurse hahaha I'm a dumb ass)

Down to business, any sperm count lower the 40 mil is considered quite low. 40 mil is like the borderline for doing IUI. Normal morphology is 15% on the krueger scale but I don't think lower morph really affects chances as much as counts. Also motility should be a 50% to be normal or borderline.

My DH had 23 at his second last SA and they said that was bad, not even good enough for IUI. His last SA was 12 mil Which is extreme male factor infertility. Once again I don't want to bring anyone down but I am one of those "oracles" from the LTTTC section and this is what the other girls and my fertility clinic doc told us.

 

[Kelly9]

O and yay mrs n for the 2ww!!!

and on another note, I got an almost positive opk!!! Which means will get one tomorrow and O on cd16!!!! Shortest cycle ever! Yay clomid.

 

[grneyednurse]

In the US it is 5 million minimum for IUI I believe and anything under 20 million is considered a "low sperm count" by the WHO, but maybe it is different in Canada...anyway 20 million is low by any means and I doubt he even has that...gotta get that SA...if I weren't so tired to set it all up...gotta work again thur and fri

 

[Kelly9]

grneyednurse, we use the WHO here to but I think it depends on the clinic. My clinic told me they would do IUI but that it wasn't worth it. I don't think there is a difference, if one clinic says a higher number is very unlikely then a lower number is even more so. In a lot of cases couples can really only afford IUI and they offer it but I know for a fact that your chances are less then 4% for anything under 40 million sperm. Sorry once again to be so negative but I am just stating it like it is.

 

[grneyednurse]

So then what are you doing? Hoping for the best like me?

 

[grneyednurse]

Oh duh, it says ICSI on your avatar and IVF in your sig....

 

[Kelly9]

grneyednurse.

Yeah on the ICSI boat, hoping to start this coming cycle or the one after. I SHOULD still get my 2010 baby.... should being the operative word.

 

[grneyednurse]

Wow, I am sure you will...DH said he doesn't EVER want to do any of that...we will see how desperate I get and if I can talk him in to it later IF it comes to that...I just don't know.....so difficult without any other options now.

 

[cazd]

My DH had 23 at his second last SA and they said that was bad, not even good enough for IUI. His last SA was 12 mil Which is extreme male factor infertility. Once again I don't want to bring anyone down but I am one of those "oracles" from the LTTTC section and this is what the other girls and my fertility clinic doc told us.

Extreme male factor infertility
Glad you're our resident oracle though
and HOORAH for ov on CD16 - you're nearly 'normal'

My man did a S/a just over a week ago - I've just spoken to the hospital and they're going to see if they can call us back next week with the results

as for bloke reluctance.... I don't think we're going to go down the treatment route - we're really pinning our hopes on lifestyle changes and standard meds.
I'd be quite keen to try clomid now...
At first I was a bit worried about the increased risk of cancer - but that's only with long term use - and having a baby reduces your risk of cancer down there so I reckon it'll probably cancel it out!