icsi in 2011?

[Reilley]

hmmm....since sperm issues are our problem too, I wanted to share the info the urologist gave us: There are a lot of thinks that can cause low sperm count, but unfortunatly none is researched enough to draw a causal line. Beside smoking. there is supposed to be a lot of reasearch which proves that sperm count goes down when DH is smoking.

Other than this they suspect too much sport, no sport, poor food choices, medications, stress, alcohol and a million more things to cause low sperm count. But none of that is proven.
So I guess it is: getting in better shape, have less stress, eat better, take vit and quit smoking what out darlings can do. Well and hope and pray. Piece of cake....right?!!?
Gee that makes my head spin!

He did not mention clomid.....how will that work??

 

[Cuffy]

Thanks Tinks fingers crossed 2011 is our year!!

annie25

We got messed around quite badly when we had hsg and laparoscopy they kept making the follow up consultation appointments wrong and kept cancelling so now I don't just go away I'm quite pushy lol that said our fs is absolutely fantastic!!

I'm 26 and hubby is 36. I have a 6 year old son, we have been trying for 4 years and hubby doesn't have any children but does have poor morphology and motility, I have blocked tubes as my son's father was a lousy cheating scumbag hence we are undoubtedly in the icsi camp and are being treated at BCRM, I also am assuming treatments start fairly rapidly now but don't really know Where abouts are you and how are you finding it all?

 

[Tinks85]

I think the trick may be not think about things too much

Are you going private then Cuffy?

I am 25 and DH is just about to turn 31 on Friady. We live in Fleetwood which is about 10 miles from Blackpool.

 

[Cuffy]

No we thought we would have to but the NHS here will give us one chance because he hasn't got any natural children which is good, I do sometimes feel bad for the people who don't get anything on the NHS but its out of my hands and if it's offered of course I'm going to accept!!

Defo with you on the not thinking bit think it would be too overwhelming truth be told like

 

[Tinks85]

No, dont blame you!!! I think it should be offered to who over needs it. It gets me sooo mad. I have just seen an advert about britans fattest man and how much he and all people his size are costing the NHS. Where is the justice??? Its not our fault we cant conceive naturally and we have not done a single thing to cause it nor could we have prevented it. Doesnt seem right does it.

 

[Lou32]

Lou Sounds like you have been very unlucky, first of all it not working and then with the embryo's not surviving

If you dont mind me asking, where abouts in the UK are you and which PCT are you under? Will they only fund 1 cycle???? That seems harsh

I have not spoken to anyone who has had short protocal, how many weeks did that take? Would you recomend doing that rather than Long?? Sorry for all the questios

Really pleased to hear that the treatment was not as bad as you thought it would be. I must admit I am dreading the injections. I am not scared of needles its the thought of having to pierce your skin, does that make sense??

If you are paying private then in may be better to go to a totally private clinic, does make sense. Have you checked out the clinics on the HFEA website?

The urologist never mentioned anything to us about clomid either. DH was wondering about it but we forgot to bring it up. As you will know, you are in a bit of a daze after they have delivered the bad news.

Hi, I don't mind the questions. It's good we can help each other out. We are with Leeds and we only get one funded go on the NHS.
The short protocol was super quick. I started injecting on day two of my cycle and I had eggs collected on day 12. They put the embryo back in on day 15 and by 26 I'd come on my period (two days before test day), so it was all over in about three weeks! I'd had a year of waiting to get well enough to start and then it was over in a flash.
I think if the fertility specialists say you could respond well on the SP then I'd definitely recommend it, as it was pretty easy, but I think you're best going with the protocol they recommend. I asked if I could go on that protocol after the awful year I'd had and I thought it would be easier, but I said only if it would make no difference. They told me there was little difference so were happy for me to go on it. I also thought it sounded more natural (not that any of it's natural really!) because they don't shut down your ovaries - they use your natural hormones and add to them. I'm not sure if I'll do the SP again when we move clinics. I'll ask them to make the decision for me.

Honestly, don't worry about the needles. They are tiny!! In my mind they were huge things and when they showed me how small they are I was so relieved. I did want to take projesterone injections instea of the pessaries (which I whish I'd done now as AF arrived so early) but the needle for them are much bigger and I decided against it. Next time I might take them and I have to admit I'm a bit worried about them as they have to be done in your bum! Nice!
Yep, I've had a look on the HFEA website at clinics, but I don't want to travel that far and Sheffield is about 45 mins away, so I'm thinking that is far enough. I think travelling hours for the scans might make things a bit too stressful. We didn't have to travel far at all before which was nice, so 45 mins feels like a long way!
I understand about being in a daze. I have been for every appointment really. I remember when we received the news after our first SA and the consultant brought in two student docs and I was sobbing. It was awful and I felt like we were on show for them to learn from. It was awful. Definitely thinking Care is the way forward for next time!

Urgh, can't believe it's almost the end of the Chrismtas holiday. Back to work Monday and I'm dreading it!

 

[annie25]

Tinks how many gos do u get on icsi in your pct? See this whole post code lottery makes me so angry! We get one go and others get three the stress of thinking where is the 7 grand going to come from is horrid!

Cuffy I'm glad to meet another bcrm client I live in south glos on the out skirts if Bristol I'm 27 later this month and dh is 32 been ttc 2 years I'm ok but dh count morphology and motility are very bad so it's most likely to be icsi for us I did feel quite young sat there each time it's weird! They seem very good I'm only gonna have the scan to see if my tubes are blocked if they decide iui after in depth sa but if not when we see dr on 3rd feb I think it all happens quickly check thier frequently asked questions page out on the website gives some idea of timescale.

We may end up being out there same time for scans and stuff were gonna be so close on timings etc! Do u have far to travel? X

 

[Tinks85]

Thanks for that info Lou, it has really helped to me to understand a little more about it. I take it someone else would have to inject me if its in my bum? DH would not be able to do it, he gets queasy just thinking about me having to have them. Saying this if it came down to it he may come round.

SP does sound a little less stress. We live 1.5 - 2 hours away fom our clinic Its small price to pay though.

I believe we will get 2 funded rounds but I am not 100% sure on that. No one has actually told us much info at all I think the postcode lottery is horrid and should not be allowed, it should be one rule for all

I am not back to work until Tuesday but soooooo dreading it. Will need to start my diet then as well, just encase we get an appointment quicker than we think. I want to get my BMI below 29 is poss before the first appoinment, will settle at 29 mind. About 5lbs should bring me below 30.

 

[cazhd]

hi was wondering if i could join ur thread????

i'm 28 and dh is 34 we've been ttc now for 43months now all okay with me and dh has poor motility/morphology. We were placed on waiting list for iui and icsi. However in nov our iui was cancelled without really an explanation which was obviously very upsetting. Were now awaiting to hear from the different health board for icsi, we have been on the waiting list for 17 months now and hoping we'll hear this month or next to start treatment.

 

[annie25]

hi was wondering if i could join ur thread????

i'm 28 and dh is 34 we've been ttc now for 43months now all okay with me and dh has poor motility/morphology. We were placed on waiting list for iui and icsi. However in nov our iui was cancelled without really an explanation which was obviously very upsetting. Were now awaiting to hear from the different health board for icsi, we have been on the waiting list for 17 months now and hoping we'll hear this month or next to start treatment.

hi cazhd i remember you posted on my journal before! your very welcome on this thread!!!

im so sorry that you have been waiting so long for assisted conception thats ridiculous!! iui seems generally not suitable for MF infetility i guess thats why they cancelled it but they should have been straight with you from the start!

i sometimes wonder what is wrong with the health system its so unfair big hugs to you!!!!

hopefully this thread will produce lots of bfps and hopes for a 2011/2012 baby for us all!!!!

 

[Lou32]

Thanks for that info Lou, it has really helped to me to understand a little more about it. I take it someone else would have to inject me if its in my bum? DH would not be able to do it, he gets queasy just thinking about me having to have them. Saying this if it came down to it he may come round.

SP does sound a little less stress. We live 1.5 - 2 hours away fom our clinic Its small price to pay though.

I believe we will get 2 funded rounds but I am not 100% sure on that. No one has actually told us much info at all I think the postcode lottery is horrid and should not be allowed, it should be one rule for all

I am not back to work until Tuesday but soooooo dreading it. Will need to start my diet then as well, just encase we get an appointment quicker than we think. I want to get my BMI below 29 is poss before the first appoinment, will settle at 29 mind. About 5lbs should bring me below 30.

Ha ha, there's no way my DH woud do mine either, so I'm either gonna have to call at my mum's every day for her to do it or somehow learn how to do it myself! Don't worry though, you might not need to do the bum injections if you're put on the Cyclogest progesterone pessaries. I just don't think they were enough for me which is why I'm gonna ask for the shots next time. The other injections are in your tummy or thigh and easy enough.

I need to start my diet too. I managed to get my BMI down from 27.8 to 26.1 before Christmas, but since then I've done nothing buy pig on choccies and sweets. It's impossible to start the diet when I know they're all in the cupboard. DH offered to take them all into work but I can't bear to part with them as it's then officially the start of preparing for the mission of icsi no. 2!
Am quite content slobbing about the house feeling sorry for myself and scoffing choccies to be honest.

 

[Nayla82]

Hi Ladies.

Thanks Lou for explaining it all, like Tink 85 mentioned really helps to educate us all on whats next to come Didnt think there were short and long ones? I will see what the ICSI specialist will say. Hearts of hearts I really dont want to take any strong drugs if possible As everything so far is fine with me and I just dont like the thought of messing with nature..? I mean why touch something if it isnt damaged? Just scared it will cause havoc to a healthy cycle that Ovulates every Month Again the GP will Explain all that nearer the time.

Im just thinking does anyones husband need to have surgery to remove the sperms for ICSI? or a normal sample in a pot is good enough? I have heard some womens DH that have much more sperms that my husband and they had the surgery? Just hoping my husband will not need it?

I really hope all goes well with us all. Also I cant stop thinking of maybe having twins, its going to be double the fun but oh boy how tough will it be.. my sister in law has twins and i just sweat looking at the work she does! but double the love

Im going to try and book myself for a knee XRAY soon as, its been very sore and painful for the last few Months and I keep thinking i need to be 100% fit when im pregnant, as excess weight will just make it worse and no XRAYS can be done when pregnant. My Goodness im talking away as it will happen so soon Really hope so

We all deserve this so so much.

 

[fisher14]

Hello Ladies

I have been looking on Babyandbump for a year now but never really posted anything so thought I would start now.
We are starting icsi this year, we have an appiontment on thurs 13th Jan to sort out dates so im hoping that we can start treatment in March.
Think I might need support from you ladies as we have decided not to tell anyone when we are starting treatment as dont want to worry our families and I dont want all the questions from friends.
I am really nervous about all the injections as I dont cope very well with needles but Im hoping once Ive started it will be fine.
Good luck to everyone

 

[Lou32]

Welcome Fisher14! I hope the forum helps you with the whole process. It's funny because sometimes I just need a break and to not think about the whole thing and then other times I log on and can't leave. I understand your decision to not tell anyone. I told my family and DH only just told his family just before we went through our first icsi. I just don't think I could have kept it to myself as I was such a wreck. It's such a personal thing that I can understand your decision though.
Everyone on here can be a big help if you need to talk to someone.
x

 

[Nayla82]

Welcome Fisher14

This is such a lovely forum to discuss your worries as were all in the same boat and you learn so many things on here

Like yourself Fisher myself and my husband have decided not to breath a word to anyone as we dont want to worry family and with friends I dont want them to feel sorry for me when they see me, with every failed Month

Will definitely be a top secret mission closer the time but on the other hand the sneaking around going to clinics i feel someone will just know something isnt normal?

Again maybe closer the time i will just have a big and need a hug from my mother (love my mum to bits but she worries so much it will just freak me out more )

Were looking at around April/May time? will be confirmed the exact date at the start of march

Good luck Hun and welcome on board

 

[Tinks85]

Welcome Cazhd and fisher, you have for sure come to the right place

Sorry to hear you have been waiting so long Caz, really hope you can some sort of plan in order soon The NHS can drive you crazy sometimes

Well my BMI is just over 30 but if I add an extra inch and say I am 5.1ft (I am a short arse at 5ft ) then my BMI is 29. Do you think they will measure how tall we are? I could where heals. Or am I am being silly????

Well I have now got EA sports active. Well is was DH birthday pressie but I have claimed half hehe. I have set up a 9week programme so we will see how things go. You should see the sight of me trying these workouts in my PJ's. Its amusing DH anyway

I think the opposite Nayla hehe, I want the strongest drugs they will give me if our chances will be higher, even if it only goes up by 2%. Everyone has different views though. I can see what you are saying about messing with nature, its so scary to think what they do to you.

My familly will know when we are going for treatment. We are so close they would guess anyway but for me, I think i will need to talk to my sisters and close friends. I find it helps but it is such a personal choice and everyone deals with things diferent.

The Urologist said that my DH will most likely need a little op to retreive the swimmers. HIs count is less than 1M. She also siad that this will most likely not be funded or there will be a very long list for the funding so we will be funding it ourselves, not sure how yet or how much we are looking. Money is really tight at the minute

Best get that knee looked at Nayla. More hospital appointments, just what you need

 

[Reilley]

huhu

The doc said we will wait and see what the second SA shows but maybe it will be better to do surgery on DH to get the swimmers? does any of you have experience with that?

@Tinks: Do you have to have a certain BMI? is it like a requirement for ICSI? Over here the doc told us that a lower BMI would be nice but that I should not stress about it. He said he is ok with the BMI as long as I eat healthy.

 

[Tinks85]

Yes Riley, over here if you are having ICSI or IVF via NHS then your BMI has to be below 30. Mine is only 30.5 so shouldn't be a problem as long as I have a few weeks before our first appointment, we haven't got a date yet.

It does seem a little silly as I am just in a size 14, I was in a 12 around November time and just put a few pounds on. I am by no means massive and most pregnant people I see in the supermarket and that are way heavier than me

I am going to call tomorrow to see if the referral has gone so wsh me luck girls

 

[fisher14]

Good luck Tinks with getting your referal I had to keep chasing ours up and I found out that the NHS secretary had sent it to the wrong hospital! I wasnt impressed with her but luckily now we are under the private hospital and they are very good. My advice would be to keep ringing them until you get it sorted.
Good luck again x

 

[Reilley]

Yes Riley, over here if you are having ICSI or IVF via NHS then your BMI has to be below 30. Mine is only 30.5 so shouldn't be a problem as long as I have a few weeks before our first appointment, we haven't got a date yet.

It does seem a little silly as I am just in a size 14, I was in a 12 around November time and just put a few pounds on. I am by no means massive and most pregnant people I see in the supermarket and that are way heavier than me

I am going to call tomorrow to see if the referral has gone so wsh me luck girls

good luck, I am keeping my fingers crossed!