icsi in 2011?

[Nayla82]

Evening

Tinks85 you do make total sense if it will make our chances higher why not use the stronger drugs? im just a worrier i think im so alike my mum

Reilley- I have read about few men that had TESE for ICSI i Heard its not that painful its a very very thin needle they use to get all the little boys out they freeze the area so the men dont feel anything. The painful one is SSR (Surgical Sperm Retrieval) thats when they cut it open and i read it can take weeks for recovery

I hope and pray the sample will be good enough for our men if not just the thin needle

I really didnt know they set a weight limit for ICSI? the average women in the UK is a size 14, I hope you all meet your targets

Is it possible to have a too low BMI for ICSI? My BMI last was 16.5 but i know 18 seems to be 'normal' im hoping to get within that range just in case

Good Luck Tink85 xx

 

[annie25]

I believe you should be a bmi of 20-30 for my health authority?! I have lost 2 stone 1 lb to go from a size 16-18 to a 12-14 and a bmi of 26 gonna try for another 9lb to get to 25 bmi more than enough!

It does seem unessecary however being to heavy or light can increase the risk of miscarriage and that's why I'm gonna keep going because I want to know I've given icsi my all!

Bought some wellmam conception tablets for dh today my guess we need to start them now as his sample for icsi should be in 3 months!

I feel down today guys I don't know about you all but one day I'm up next day I'm down! I'd just like to get started!

Welcome fisher!

Xx

 

[fisher14]

Hi Annie

Well done on losing weight, Ive also lost 2 and half stone and bmi is now 23.5 I feel so much healthier. My husband has lost 3 stone, stopped smoking and exercises few times a wk Im soo proud of him as now I think we have done everything we can do to increase our chances of conceiving.

Sorry you are feeling down, I have good days and bad days and there is not always a reason for the bad days! Its really hard to stay positive sometimes as all you think about are babies and what we have to go through to achieve our dream!
We will all get there in the end though so try and be positive

Gd luck on losing the last few pounds

xx

 

[Nayla82]

Annie I totally know how you feel My period is due in a few days (1st cycle since i Found out about my husbands Zero Count 3 week back ) yet I still keep thinking I might be pregnant, and maybe that Cramp is implantation? But hey who am i kidding?? When I know for a FACT no sperms were going in (My poor husband this morning even said to me are you late? do you think its a yes? thats all we have been used to )

My mind is still playing sick games with me.. as thats all I have been doing for the past 15 Months is obsessing for the signs, secretly getting excited, thinking of ways to tell my husband that im pregnant? I know my period is just around the corner and to make myself feel better I will continue to think 'i might be pregnant' and i will have a good cry when gets me than think next Month is mine! ( I think i have gone crazy)

Why couldnt it have just been simple? Made love, missed my period and im pregnant! The thought of going to the clinic, doing blood work taking the drugs and injections, Will they collect enough eggs from me? will they survive? will my husband produce any sperms on the day..? will it all stick, can my heart survive the 2WW and hopefully if it all goes well will it stick or will i be worried sick of a MC? and if ICSI doesnt go to plan we have to re-play it all again..? How much will it cost? where in 2011 will this take me?

Im feeling so down today just wish my period would just come.. Or I could just see in a crystal ball that will tell me all will be well? I just feel good things dont happen to me? And the thought of ME having a BABY just feels like a magical fantasy that will never happen? My goodness its so early in the day and im feeling so so down.
Sorry ladies for being so morbid, I guess I will be ok later...

I just want to have that precious baby in my belly and I will be so so happy and content. Hate living my life on maybes, ifs and buts...

Ok better look presentable and off to work it is.. Enjoy your day xx

 

[Reilley]

Oh Nayla ..... I know how you feel!!! There are just days like that, they sneak up from behind and cach you when yo don´t expect it! Thinking of you! HUGS for you!

 

[annie25]

thanks fisher i feel so much better for losing the weight too its a nice feeling to chuck all the fat clothes out thats for sure!!!

nayla its like you have stepped into my brain and put my thoughts on the page!! i totally agree with you and that is exactly how i feel right now i also have to add im just fed up with waiting for everything! waiting for BFP, periods, gp appts, tests, test results hospital appts and just waiting to start!

its so frustrating! one more month to wait then i can find out how much mre i have to wait to start icsi i'd like to give my employer some ideas of time off etc but i have to wait for a answer to that too!

oh and the persistant relax and itll happen comments by people who do not understand infertility are a annoyance at the moment - we can relax all we want but if our husbands sperm counts are low and dont move being less stressed wont make us concieve!

ugh now i have my rant off my chest i feel better!

i really hope that we all achieve our dream this year and we can make the icsi stats look even better!!

xxxxxx

 

[Tinks85]

Girls you have described exactly how I feel and what is constantly going trough my head Its no wonder I have a concentration spam of a 2 year old

Unfortunalty the Urologist mentioned to DH about the sergical retrieval. I remember wincing when she mentioned making a small cut in his testical. I know we have to go through a lot more and egg retrieval isnt meant to be nice but I don think its harder for the men and I feel sorry for him. Does anyone else feel like this??

Well I think my AF was due yesterday and she hasn't shown her face Its all I need for my cycle be messed up now. I did forget to use my CBFM the day i was expecting my peak so I dont have 100% confirmation when I ov'd. Yet more waiting, as already posted

I called the hospital and DH bloods are still not back??? Was told to call back in 2 days. Plus the referral letter has still not gone. I was so mad, I feel like I have wasted 2 weeks just waiting for nothing. Their excuse was that the typist is off sick! Fair enough the Urologist may only have 1 typist but surley they could get help from another Dept or something. I will be call a few times a week until I know its gone.

 

[annie25]

tinks im glad they have not mentioned that to dh his face would be a picture!

i feel your pain about thinks like the referral letter taking time - the first time i went to gp a year ago he did not want to know about sending us for initial tests even after 15 months ttc it upset me so much it took me three months to build up the courage to see the female gp in our practice who was brilliant and helped us all the way!.

however it has taken from april til feb to get sorted and after we got second sa back took the doctors four attempts and a 4 week delay to get dh's blood tests right (he's needlephobic)!!

if people got things right 1st time i should be preg or trying again by now it's so infuriating isnt it?!

 

[Tinks85]

I only bring the sperm retreival up regarding us saving for it nothing else. I dont think he wants to think about it

It is frusrating, we have been lucky with times so far though. When you get to this stage you just want to some straight answers and know when we are likely to get going. I hate not having control over anything and putting so much trust in others to do their job right. I am not getting to stressed yet and will see what they say Thursday.

 

[Nayla82]

Morning Ladies

Sorry about yesterday I was so so down and just scared I guess Thanks for the warm words we will get there

I have to be stronger and more focused as we all now it really isnt going to be plain sailing from here We just need to be prepared for anything

Annie- Your so right its just waiting waiting waiting... As I type im waiting for my period shes due today but thought will come late and make me think im pregnant aghhh

Dont want to freak you out ladies but would like to share what i read (Probably you have read it also) Theres a women in this forum bless her, she was ready for ICSI they collected 25 eggs from her (excellent) her Husband had 20million sperms back in May ok they were ready for his sample so they can perform ICSI and it came back ZERO, they quickly rushed him to do the surgery to physically find the sperms again ZERO

My Goodness what a nightmare, and this thought has been haunting me for a while since i heard we have to do ICSI, and theres a chance that it could happen! luckily this ladies eggs have been frozen and they have put her husband on strong drugs for the next 3 months if it can bring it up?

Isnt that awful, they have your eggs told you there great and strong than not even 1 sperm from 20million to 0 really sent shivers down my spine ANYTHING is possible.

Again need to think Happy Thoughts that this will not happen to anyone else.

Tink85- When my husband first gave his semen analysis the night before he didnt sleep a wink had tears in his eyes going to the clinic saying he feel violated and the laughing stock of the Clinic he had crazy theories.. Honestly my heart broke for him and I was going to say 'lets wait till its 24 Months of trying 2 years in total..' In the end he did it and I didnt feel that bad.

Since the heart breaking results came back of Zero he seems to be a different man, Keeps telling me I dont mind if I have to run naked around the Clinic or get his bits chopped and poked at hes willing to do everything any anything (bless him for 16 Months didnt even want to hear TTC now hes into it so much) If he needs SSR i dont think I will go into detail too much about what it involves will play it down (Little sore for a few days will be worth it I guess )

The other day he said to me over dinner 'will ICSI give you any side effects? when they take your eggs out im sure it will not be pleasant? Just worried may damage your body' Was so sweet to hear him say that! Im so sure all our men are feeling sorry for what we have to do but find it hard to express it.. As long as we keep talking to our men and share our feelings we will get through it!

My husbands off on a business trip for 2 days will be alone for 2 nights hope I dont think too much while hes gone

Enjoy your day Ladies I hope it all works out for us I wonder where we will be in our lives this time next year?? BABIES AND BUMPS I HOPE!

 

[Reilley]

I only bring the sperm retreival up regarding us saving for it nothing else. I dont think he wants to think about it

It is frusrating, we have been lucky with times so far though. When you get to this stage you just want to some straight answers and know when we are likely to get going. I hate not having control over anything and putting so much trust in others to do their job right. I am not getting to stressed yet and will see what they say Thursday.

That is my trick too, only bringing up sperm retieval in other contexts like money, schedules etc, but not going into detail. I am sure he already googled it but isn´t ready to talk about it but he will come around!

 

[Tinks85]

Nayla as you have read it must be possible for that to happen but I would think the chances are extremley slim. I would suggest being a little selective as to what you read, for your own sanity . The first thing I did was research and some of it was the worst thing I could have done I got myself so worked up over stats and figures that I nearly made myself ill.

It really would feel like the end of the world though, that poor couple

How sweet is your DH Nayla??? Bless him. Mine cant seem to get his head past the injections. We joke about how my mood will be as well

Reilley, glad we are on the same page

Nothing to report my end. Still waiting for AF, seems to have gone AWOL. Not suprised with the stress but hope she shows soon

Hope everyone is well

 

[Nayla82]

Evening Ladies

Tink 85- My period has gone AWOL also shes just messing around now, again I think its the stress and worry were going through I really do get myself in a pickle

I know I should google more happy stories and be more of an optimist than a pessimist I just dont know why the bad stories seem to stick to me more The chances are very slim though with these extreme scenarios

On my way home from work I popped into WaterStones and bought a book all about IVF/ICSI from the minute you find out you need IVF till the end Looks like a very informative book, while husbands away I will read as much as I can in the next 2 days than hind it under my bed, dont want him to know im obsessing too much

Too lazy too cook so I think Beans and Toast tonight,

Enjoy your night xx

 

[Tinks85]

Its so hard not to worry and the bad things do stick in your mind more.

Oooooh you will have to tell me what the book is like and if its informative. at hinding the book.

I have just been to my mums for tea and have eaten loads, so much for a diet. Will do some extra exercises tonight to make up for it. Could murder a glass of wine. Do you think one glass is really naughty on a school night. Not normally a mid week drinker

Feel for you Nayla being on your own hun. It is nice to have the house to yourself though sometimes. Hope you have a nice night anyway

 

[annie25]

Its so hard not to worry and the bad things do stick in your mind more.

Oooooh you will have to tell me what the book is like and if its informative. at hinding the book.

I have just been to my mums for tea and have eaten loads, so much for a diet. Will do some extra exercises tonight to make up for it. Could murder a glass of wine. Do you think one glass is really naughty on a school night. Not normally a mid week drinker

Feel for you Nayla being on your own hun. It is nice to have the house to yourself though sometimes. Hope you have a nice night anyway



tinks go for it! u wont get to drink anything soon enough!

well after saying yesterday im fed up with waiting i got my impatient head on this morning called clininc and managed to move my appt to next thursday three weeks sooner! - i hope its a good omen!

xxx

 

[Tinks85]

I have refrained from the wine. I did a work out and that near killed me, I am so unfit, that a cold coke was much more appealing I am going to hurt in the morning.

Nice one Annie, is this your first appointment with the clinic? Sorry if you have already said, I am trying to keep track of everyone, honest So excited for you

 

[annie25]

Well done you!! I managed to cook dinner and do washing up that was it!!

It's my second appt should be consenting for icsi or poss iui but most probably icsi! Then should be able to start mid feb hopefully!
Finally the waiting could be over never thought I'd be excited tho! Ha

Xx

 

[Tinks85]

It is exciting hun, we are hoping this will be the end of the TTC nightmare. I really hope you can get started ASAP. It is soooo scary at the same time.

What would you rather do? IUI or go straight to ICSI or are you just going to let the specailist decide for you?

I am hoping the hospital will have more answers for me tomorrow when I ring but dont know if I am expecting to much

 

[GillAwaiting]

Hey Everyone, Happy New Year!
Our internet bit the dust for a few days when we were changing service providers. It was actually a blessing. I couldnt spend the whole new year weekend googling myself bonkers and my DH and I got on like a house on fire.He was so bored he cleaned the toilets and cleaned out the wardrobe.

Just been catching up. Everyone in the same boat, nervous, worried, excited,terrified and that's just in any given 5 minutes

I see a few of you girls cycles have gone batty. Mine has also gone pearshaped. Ovulation seems to have happened but with all the temping and doing opks neither I or Fertility Friend can pinpoint when.

Is't it great to be finally thinking in the terms of weeks and months instead of 'next year'. The countdown is on. yeee hawww

This forum is getting big. It's great! Love all the info and good advice. Now Im off to google..

 

[annie25]

Gill welcome back glad to see you've not dissapeared!!

Tinks- iui would be good in a way as we get three nhs funded gos at that and then one at icsi but if were not suitable (were not likely to be a dh total motile sperm per ml = 0.13 pretty low!) then there's no point in it and it will waste our time and stress levels
doc said after we get in depth sa results we can start planning for icsi so I'm guessing she thinks were clutching at straws!

I think nhs needs to assess individual funding needs because mf couples pull the short straw as iui is not suitable!

I will listen to what the doc tells us after all she's the specialist she knows best!

I love this thread guys it's so nice to have loads of us in the boat with the same hopes and fears and before long were gonna have 2011 icsi bfp's I just know it!

Xx