Kate McCann releasing a book...

see that kinda contradicts things for me further ..... if she fell too her death and it was an accident .... where does the 2nd home come into it and why try hide her body .... it was an accident ...... a 2nd holiday home would imply they calculated the whole thing ..... but then that doesn't make sense either

accident + 2nd holiday home .... they just don't add up, it's one of the other surely?

I still can't believe they were involved, the british justice system states 'innocent until proven guilty' and there isn't enough 'proof' they they are guilty for me :(
 
What an interesting read this makes!!!
I hate gerry and kate with a passion and they are guilty as hell!!

with 2 people with such incredible knowledge and skills within their job they are obviously very bright but to leave your children alone whilst they go out to dinner, very clearly they are not right in the head and are therefore clever enough to fool the public!! well not me.
Im sorry but I have 3 children one who is 9 years old and I wouldnt even leave him alone ANYWHERE!!! protective mother yes? but im just the same as the next responsible mother. There is no grey area here, this situation was neglect end of and the mcanns dont deserve to have their twins, sounds harsh yes I know but levaing your children at night???? come on anything could of happened, well it did didnt it.

There is something fishy without a doubt and no one will sway me on this, there is to much information of foul play and absolutley NO evidence of abduction...thats because it didnt happen. At least one person without that dining group knows what happened and I shudder to think. I find it really eerie. This beautifull little girl has just vanished into thin air without so much of a hint of a break in or abduction. its rubbish.

the blood that was found, the fact that they all dined without their children and not one of them thinking this was wrong!! well there you go because there is a plan between them all.

God forbid if something hapened to my daughter I would scoop up my other children (not that I would leave them in the first place) and run around hysterically like a nutter looking for her.
I certainly woundnt wash the special teddy that would have her scent on her, oh no that would remain unwashed and smelly im afraid for my comfort.

If I was on holiday with my children...im on holiday WITH them so they go everywhere with me day or night.
If I was to eat out in the evening they would be in their buggy beside me or I would be eating in the room with a takeaway and a pack of cards!! boring maybe?? but at least my kids are safe.

The fact is if they hadnt of left their children alone maddie would still be here today and none of this would of happened.

these people make my blood boil and to think they dont even think they were wrong to leave their children alone?? WTF??
It should pain them everyday knowing it is their fault their daughter isnt here and that they are not fit to be parents.

just my view of course. x

I could go on but i would be here all day.
 
I meant they had a second holiday home anyway out in Portugal which they had to move into while the apartment was being examined, not that they had it for the purpose of hiding Madeleine's body
 
I have a question about the dogs ..... didn't it come too light that the hire car had been rented out too more people after the McCann's before it was searched by police & dogs

I really can't get my head around the fact the police didn't make certain things (car/appartment etc) crime scenes right away and instead allowed them too be rented out and stuff surely this contaminates the scene and therefore can't be seen as reliable 'evidence'??


No - the car was still being rented to the McCanns at the time the dogs searched it.

I agree (and so do the Portuguese police) that errors were made and that those errors may well have cost them valuable forensic evidence and thus the chance to bring a case against the McCanns.

But in all honesty, in terms of the alerts from the cadaver dog, it's really irrelevant ... after all they know that no-one else had died in/mysteriously disappeared from the apartment before or since the McCanns stayed there - so where else would the smell have come from? And just how likely is it that anyone else would have been carrying corpses around in a hire car? :wacko:
 
Wow tw freemason chapel in the hotel can NOT be a coincidence either. So dodgy. I cant understand why people would dispel dog links.

Also, I dont think people realise about under cover power, literally these people CAN control what goes in and out of the papers, even what people say to a extent. I would never undermine what can and cant happen with regards to laws, there is ALWAYS a way around it, if you have the right contacts!
 
Kris, I wondered what you would make of this with talking about freemasons?

There are some good repositories of research devoted to the case of the missing Madeleine McCann, mccannfiles.com and others. Some blogs contain information that one doesn't see often, if ever. One poster to a Madeleine forum, Truth for Madeleine, writing as bugalugs tracked down the first mainstream press story about this case.

The current URL of the story in question is:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/e...ree-year-old-feared-abducted-in-Portugal.html


The dateline of this story is 12:01AM BST 04 May 2007. In Portugal the time would have been the same 12:01 AM, because that country is in the same timezone as the UK.

There is some dispute as to the exact time that Madeleine's disappearance was discovered and reported by Kate McCann. For the sake of discussion, let's say that the disappearance was reported at 10:00 PM on May 3, 07.

A British child goes missing in Portugal and exactly 121 minutes later a press story appears on the website of the Telegraph newspaper announcing that there is a child missing in Portugal and this announcement is made by the British Foreign Office.

Let's try to construct a timeline of events working backward from the precise moment at 12:01 AM when someone pressed the key on their computer to upload the story to the web.

12:01 AM 04 May 07: Story is uploaded.

11:58 PM 03 May 07: Story is typed up and proofread.

11:45 PM 03 May 07: Data entry staff receives email from editor containing story after having been phoned and alerted to situation.

11:35 PM 03 May 07: Night editor of Telegraph receives phone call from publisher or editor in chief informing him of the details of the story which he takes down over the phone. There is minimal discussion. He relays story and instructions to publish immediately to his staff.

11:15 PM 03 May 07: Foreign Office press officer phones Telegraph publisher and relates the substance of the story and requests immediate publication of it. He agrees to accept attribution of the story to the Foreign Office. There is some minimal discussion. The publisher agrees to print the story in accordance with long established protocols between the press and the FO.

11:13 PM 03 May 07: Mr. X, a functionary of the British Foreign Office at a level somewhere in support of the Minister of State for Europe, Geoffrey Hoon (in 2007), gives instructions to the FO press officer, above.

11:00 PM 03 May 07: Mr. X is instructed by a superior in the Foreign Office to relay the substance of the story of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann to the Telegraph through established channels.

This is irregular and it is difficult to understand the purpose of it. Mr. X would have remarked this undoubtedly. Usually such stories would be "broken" independantly by the press itself or through official statements from Interpol or other police agencies.

The "Foreign Office" attribution for the story is the sticking point.

Keep in mind that only a little over an hour has passed since the disappearance of the child! What if the child were to be found? Twenty minutes later the British Foreign Office might have to issue another press release with the happy news.


If the British ambassador in Portugal were the first member of the British Civil Service to hear of this story and wished to expedite press coverage of it, he would normally use backchannels of his own to alert the press and ask for an "unnamed sources" attribution of the story.

Keep in mind that even a quickly solved child disappearance is a winner in press circles. The ambassador would not have to twist arms to get the story published, or would he?

Does the press normally publish stories about children who have been missing only for a little over an hour?

10:XX - 11:00PM: Information and a request for assistance in the matter of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann moved from Portugal to a ministerial level in the UK where discussions took place and a decision was made to issue an alert to the press, with Foreign Office attribution, for a child who had been reported missing less than an hour before.

10:00 - 10:XX Madeleine was discovered to be missing and after searching for less than an hour, political help in the situation was sought in the UK and received.

This is truly impressive. Rule Britannia! Congratulations to the FO.

Over here in the boondocks of Canada our "External Affairs Department" doesn't have the balls to issue a press release when a child goes missing for an hour. Shame shame you "two bit" ex-colony of woodchoppers and fur traders. Take a leaf from the FO's book. Not a sparrow falls from a foreign limb without being observed and aided by the FO. And on such short notice too. Less than an hour and they are on the case. Truly incredible.

Strange though, that one doesn't hear the constant praise of the FO being sung by British travellers around the globe. I'm inclined, myself to believe that they are much like any other government department. Wily, but slow and deliberate.

If the British Foreign Office and its masters are wily, but slow and deliberate, isn't it more likely that the timetable for their deliberations and actions, actually started a day earlier than advertised, and that they only seem to be alert, quick and decisive, not to say impetuous, gallant and slightly hysterical?

But that is precisely the claim being made by the blog Unterdenteppichgekehrt, that Madeleine died on the 2nd. of May, 07, a day before the public became aware that something was wrong in Prahia da Luz.

From here: https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread628700/pg1
 
I just can't get my head around it all

what is sad is she has now been 'missing' longer than she was with her parents
 
Did any police check their cerdit cards or anything? They could have hired another apartment closer to the beach nobody knew about and she was there??

No ... first of all they denied having credit cards at all (even though the holiday had been booked using one :dohh: ) and then they refused to provide access to the credit card records.

These were some of the records which the Portuguese Police applied to the UK for and which were never supplied :shrug:
 
see that kinda contradicts things for me further ..... if she fell too her death and it was an accident .... where does the 2nd home come into it and why try hide her body .... it was an accident ...... a 2nd holiday home would imply they calculated the whole thing ..... but then that doesn't make sense either

accident + 2nd holiday home .... they just don't add up, it's one of the other surely?

I still can't believe they were involved, the british justice system states 'innocent until proven guilty' and there isn't enough 'proof' they they are guilty for me :(

The writer isn't saying she fell to her death. He said that's one theory put forward but feels that the scent would be far stronger if she had died there as the dog handler said it was a 'weak' scent. He is suggesting that the explantion for the scent on the shelves, and flowerbed, is that at some point the body was concealed in something & placed there.

The second home link was a reply to me asking where they stayed immediately after the 'disappearance'. I was lying in bed last night wondering because it reminded me of when we were burgled when I was little & how we didn't stay in our house for a few nights cos my Mum was so creeped out. I wasn't suggesting there was anything dodgy in it, just interested.

As for it being an accident, I don't think there's been any suggestion she died because her parents intentionally killed her. For me, there is a hell of a lot of inconsistancies & outright lies, and a weird need for the 'Tapas 7' to cover for themselves & Gerry/Kate, that suggests something sinister underpinns this all!
 
Did any police check their cerdit cards or anything? They could have hired another apartment closer to the beach nobody knew about and she was there??

No ... first of all they denied having credit cards at all (even though the holiday had been booked using une :dohh: ) and then they refused to provide access to the credit card records.

These were some of the records which the Portuguese Police applied to the UK for and which were never supplied :shrug:

That is a disgrace.

And they then complain about being made suspects! :dohh:
 
My opinion seems to go against the grain of this thread, but I don't think the Mcanns were involved in their daughters disappearance in any way. I don't know what happened to Madeline, but I do have huge compassion for Kate and Gerry.

I know that people say 'they shouldn't have left their kids on their own that night', but they have paid a huge price for that action. At the end of the day, nobody is perfect, and they will regret that for the rest of their lives.

I feel so sorry for them, their lives must be a living nightmare.

They don't deserve people accusing them, and being nasty about them on top of everything else they have been through IMO.

I can't believe that the police stopped looking for that little girl years ago. How would that make you feel as a parent -it's disgusting.

To all those mummies who have said such awful things about these poor people - have a heart, please,
 
My opinion seems to go against the grain of this thread, but I don't think the Mcanns were involved in their daughters disappearance in any way. I don't know what happened to Madeline, but I do have huge compassion for Kate and Gerry.

I know that people say 'they shouldn't have left their kids on their own that night', but they have paid a huge price for that action. At the end of the day, nobody is perfect, and they will regret that for the rest of their lives.

I feel so sorry for them, their lives must be a living nightmare.

They don't deserve people accusing them, and being nasty about them on top of everything else they have been through IMO.

I can't believe that the police stopped looking for that little girl years ago. How would that make you feel as a parent -it's disgusting.

To all those mummies who have said such awful things about these poor people - have a heart, please,


I have a heart as do all the parents here which is why we can tell the way this was handled was not "Normal" to many suspicious links for me, if it was any of us, we would have been slaughtered in the press!!
 
There's a lot of speculation that masonry links were informed before even the portugese were. Obviously that is just that, speculation butit is food for thought in my mind.
There's also the question of how everybody seemed to know she's was going to be long term missing. Kate reckons she had left her on her own in her bed with patio doors open, why did no one consider the possibility of her running off? Especially considering the crying the night before, maybe she had run off ofind her parents? The fact the press wer MADE to publish the story so soon doesn't sit right to me. Also to anyone questioning why they are still putting themselves in the public eye please remember how any people gave up there full time jobs (John McCann being oneof them, a man with a mortgage and a family) to work for different parts of the case. Surely that's a bold move o have made considering the press attention has made the chances of finding an abducted madeline very likely xx
 
My opinion seems to go against the grain of this thread, but I don't think the Mcanns were involved in their daughters disappearance in any way. I don't know what happened to Madeline, but I do have huge compassion for Kate and Gerry.

I know that people say 'they shouldn't have left their kids on their own that night', but they have paid a huge price for that action. At the end of the day, nobody is perfect, and they will regret that for the rest of their lives.

I feel so sorry for them, their lives must be a living nightmare.

They don't deserve people accusing them, and being nasty about them on top of everything else they have been through IMO.

I can't believe that the police stopped looking for that little girl years ago. How would that make you feel as a parent -it's disgusting.

To all those mummies who have said such awful things about these poor people - have a heart, please,


I have a heart as do all the parents here which is why we can tell the way this was handled was not "Normal" to many suspicious links for me, if it was any of us, we would have been slaughtered in the press!!

I think they are getting slaughtered in this thread! I feel for them.
 
I know that people say 'they shouldn't have left their kids on their own that night', but they have paid a huge price for that action. At the end of the day, nobody is perfect, and they will regret that for the rest of their lives.

how on earth you can say that is beyond me!!!

this isnt an everyday mistake that you just leave your children!!!!

it is a PLANNED situation that as a parent you know can lead into something bad.

It is down right neglectful and they deserve to be punished and regret it everyday...the thing is they see no wrong in leaving their children??? hmmmm
 
I would feel sorry for them if I believed they really were suffering. However the only moves they have ever taken to help find their poor daughter have been ones that have also made them a fortune. Anything that doesn't line their pockets has taken a back seat, police interviews, police leads, physically looking themselves, encouraging the police o not believe she's dead and keep looking. They ave done nothing in these respects, but tv interviews , fund raising, books, radio interviews, magazine photoshoots - they have taken priority. Why have they always been more concerned with what the public thinks than the police? Surely it is important to have public support to keep looking but i would award a guess that the people trained to find missing kids deserve a focus as well. Ye they told them t get lost basically and instead brought in drunkard PIs who were trained in detecting money laundering and fraud?
For two very respectable and intelligent doctors facing their most desperate times they have made some decisions which are impressively either stupid or lucritive (depending on your take on the whole thing)
 
My opinion seems to go against the grain of this thread, but I don't think the Mcanns were involved in their daughters disappearance in any way. I don't know what happened to Madeline, but I do have huge compassion for Kate and Gerry.

I know that people say 'they shouldn't have left their kids on their own that night', but they have paid a huge price for that action. At the end of the day, nobody is perfect, and they will regret that for the rest of their lives.

I feel so sorry for them, their lives must be a living nightmare.

They don't deserve people accusing them, and being nasty about them on top of everything else they have been through IMO.

I can't believe that the police stopped looking for that little girl years ago. How would that make you feel as a parent -it's disgusting.

To all those mummies who have said such awful things about these poor people - have a heart, please,

I have a heart thank you, and in my heart there's a big place for little Madeleine McCann. There is NO part however for her so-called 'parents' who, despite the fact their daughter was apparantely kidnapped and could potentially be in the clutches of a paedophile ring, see fit to CONTINUE to almost justify what they did & try to make out it was a normal thing to do! They talk of the guilt they felt, not the guilt they feel. They called it 'what any reasonable parent would do'. If they are wracked with guilt and their lives are a living nightmare, they do as good a job as hiding that as they do about lying about what really happened. I would be wracked with the most god awful guilt and constantly be saying I had made the biggest mistake ever. They refuse to do this. You haven't got your child & you still can't hold your hands up & admit liability? They are, at the least, deluded.

I'm sorry but if people are 'nasty' about them, they only have themselves to blame!

People don't like them because their stories CONSTANTLY change. One minute Kate is on tape saying she never searched for Madeleine's body. The next, her published book says she did. Well did she, or didn't she? Why is her story changing - that is NOT something you forget. The stories of their friends are riddled with inconsistancies.

People don't like them because they are sneaky. They refused to hand over their credit card records. They refused to have their twins tested for drugs, despite Kate suggesting HERSELF that she felt the twins had been drugged by an abductor hense their sleepyness. Kate says she'd do anything, but she refused to answer the police's questions. They ignored advice from the police at the earliest stage not to release details of Madeleine's disntinctive eye because it would be like signing her death warrant. I'm sorry, but you can't go against firm advice with your daughters wellbeing in mind & then complain in the next breath that the police didn't do what you wanted them to do!

Can you HONESTLY tell me you don't find it strange that on finding her daughter missing, despite Kate saying Madeleine DOES get out of bed & infact had a reward chart in which 'not getting out of bed' was rewarded, your first insticnt would be that your child had been taken? Not that they had wondered out, scared, looking for you? She shouted, 'they've taken her'. She then left, in a room where her baby girl had been snatched from, her two twins. These are reasons why people are so suspicious...and there's hundreds more if you read this thread.

The view of the British media is that a poor little british girl was snatched whilst her 'poor suffering' parents dined a few yards away, 'in view'. What rubbish. The media and the McCanns try to tell us what to FEEL about this story, and don't want us to think about it too much. Anyone who does, just doesn't have a heart because how could we say anything nasty about these poor people? Nevermind the fact there is more evidence of foul play and coverups than an abduction!

People do not like it but THEY NEGLECTED THEIR CHILDREN. Madeleine has payed the ultimate price for that - SHE deserves our sympathy.
 
Its just rediculous how Kate, Gerry and the Tapas 7 behaved after supposidly finding Maddie missing! Does anyone know if they were ever asked outright in an interview why they did what they did? Why they didn't run around like loons all night searching for their daughter? I would be very interested to hear what they say.

When I was little I was walking with my dad but somehow we lost each other. I remember looking around and he was gone....no where to be seen. I was on some back roads so no one around. Then I saw a guy and told him I had lost my dad and did he know where Hetley Studios (the place we were going) was? He said he would take me, took my hand and off we went. About 5 mins later my Dad, screaming his head off for me came running round the corner. He told me afterwards that I was nowhere near the studio and was going in completly the oposite direction!! Whether that man intentionally took me away I will never know but if he did, god knows what could have been.

Anyway!!........my point is......If my Dad didn't run round the streets looking and calling for me but instead sat down and wrote a time line, called the media/foriegn office then went to bed, he would never have found me. No sane person would do what they did :growlmad:
 
https://fakedabduction.com/

this is the book you want to try and get hold off.... seems you can get it from 1st june 2011 from USA. x
now that would be an interesting read.
 

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