Kate McCann releasing a book...

[indy and lara]

I don't believe that the McCanns did anything on purpose. Lots of people find one of their children challenging at one tine or another. There are often threads here when people are not coping well. That doesn't lead necessarily to something sinister.

 

[SKATERBUN]

Dont suppose anyone on heres old enough to remember the baby listening service they used to have had holiday camps such as Pontins in the 80's - admittedly its not the sort of thing you do in this day and age, but people used to leave their babies in the room and go and watch some entertainment whilst someone walked around the camp listening out for babies and then announce on a loud speaker to the parents if they needed to go back. How times have changed. I wonder if they trusted the holiday facility so much and felt safe there that they felt they could leave them, an unlocked apartment? really??
There was a message in the reception which indicated to the staff that there were children in the apartment, I guess this is how the information got into the wrong hands.
I never knew that their story had been judged so harshly. I have never really followed it, i can understand why she is never going to give up, it must be killing them inside.

 

[Xanthe]

I came onto this thread believing Maddie was abducted & thinking her parents made an awful mistake.

Read through the entire thread & links & can honestly say I find it very hard to believe that now, too much doesn't add up & doesn't add up by a mile!

I can't believe all this uncertainty hasn't been followed up on.

Unfortunately, despite been constantly told the contrary, we have a very censored media in this country. As another poster has already said Clarence Mitchell had very close ties to Murdoch and Blair.

I have relatives in Portugal and the facts are readily available over here.

I think the abduction of Madelaine was apart of something alot bigger. The Madeine fund, the libel cases, the powerful influential friends - all factors that stink to high heaven. The Mccanns openly support the Amber Alert campaign. Not a bad thing you say but note the campaign also advocates the microchipping of children from birth......................

All I can say is please never believe anything you read in the media.

Question everything

XXX

 

[TattiesMum]

Dont suppose anyone on heres old enough to remember the baby listening service they used to have had holiday camps such as Pontins in the 80's - admittedly its not the sort of thing you do in this day and age, but people used to leave their babies in the room and go and watch some entertainment whilst someone walked around the camp listening out for babies and then announce on a loud speaker to the parents if they needed to go back. How times have changed. I wonder if they trusted the holiday facility so much and felt safe there that they felt they could leave them, an unlocked apartment? really??

I'm old enough to remember that LOL

The thing is it isn't really about how much times have changed in terms of children being 'abducted'. In fact very, very few children are actually abducted by strangers - it's media hype which makes us believe that this is the case ... most children who come to harm do so at the hands of people who they know

But what about fire or accidents? We all know what small children are like ... it only takes a few seconds for them to switch on a kettle and scald themselves or climb and fall or fall down stairs (there were concrete stairs just outside the open patio doors) or run water into a bath and drown or open a door and wander onto a road or get into cleaning chemicals/medicine

60's parents (like mine LOL) did leave us to do all kind of incredible things ... looking back my siblings and I are astounded that me managed to make it to adulthood without serious injury or worse, but even they never left us alone at that age

 

[TattiesMum]

I have relatives in Portugal and the facts are readily available over here.

I think the abduction of Madelaine was apart of something alot bigger. The Madeine fund, the libel cases, the powerful influential friends - all factors that stink to high heaven. The Mccanns openly support the Amber Alert campaign. Not a bad thing you say but note the campaign also advocates the microchipping of children from birth......................

All I can say is please never believe anything you read in the media.

Question everything

XXX

Absolutely - all of this information has been readily available everywhere apart from in the UK. Even the transcripts of the interviews and police files have never been published by our Media - it's completely bizaare.

 

[Tasha]

I came onto this thread believing Maddie was abducted & thinking her parents made an awful mistake.

Read through the entire thread & links & can honestly say I find it very hard to believe that now, too much doesn't add up & doesn't add up by a mile!

I can't believe all this uncertainty hasn't been followed up on.

Unfortunately, despite been constantly told the contrary, we have a very censored media in this country. As another poster has already said Clarence Mitchell had very close ties to Murdoch and Blair.

I have relatives in Portugal and the facts are readily available over here.

I think the abduction of Madelaine was apart of something alot bigger. The Madeine fund, the libel cases, the powerful influential friends - all factors that stink to high heaven. The Mccanns openly support the Amber Alert campaign. Not a bad thing you say but note the campaign also advocates the microchipping of children from birth......................

All I can say is please never believe anything you read in the media.

Question everything

XXX

So do you think it was all part of trying to people microchipped from birth? If so I find that a little hard to believe, why not just get parents of one of the children actually abducted to support the campaign?

The thought of microchipping children is wrong to me though, just going to read up on the AMber Alert campaign

 

[Xanthe]

I came onto this thread believing Maddie was abducted & thinking her parents made an awful mistake.

Read through the entire thread & links & can honestly say I find it very hard to believe that now, too much doesn't add up & doesn't add up by a mile!

I can't believe all this uncertainty hasn't been followed up on.

Unfortunately, despite been constantly told the contrary, we have a very censored media in this country. As another poster has already said Clarence Mitchell had very close ties to Murdoch and Blair.

I have relatives in Portugal and the facts are readily available over here.

I think the abduction of Madelaine was apart of something alot bigger. The Madeine fund, the libel cases, the powerful influential friends - all factors that stink to high heaven. The Mccanns openly support the Amber Alert campaign. Not a bad thing you say but note the campaign also advocates the microchipping of children from birth......................

All I can say is please never believe anything you read in the media.

Question everything

XXX

So do you think it was all part of trying to people microchipped from birth? If so I find that a little hard to believe, why not just get parents of one of the children actually abducted to support the campaign?
The thought of microchipping children is wrong to me though, just going to read up on the AMber Alert campaign

I don't know what I believe. All I know is that the facts are there and I wish more people had access to it.

X

 

[Xanthe]

I came onto this thread believing Maddie was abducted & thinking her parents made an awful mistake.

Read through the entire thread & links & can honestly say I find it very hard to believe that now, too much doesn't add up & doesn't add up by a mile!

I can't believe all this uncertainty hasn't been followed up on.

Unfortunately, despite been constantly told the contrary, we have a very censored media in this country. As another poster has already said Clarence Mitchell had very close ties to Murdoch and Blair.

I have relatives in Portugal and the facts are readily available over here.

I think the abduction of Madelaine was apart of something alot bigger. The Madeine fund, the libel cases, the powerful influential friends - all factors that stink to high heaven. The Mccanns openly support the Amber Alert campaign. Not a bad thing you say but note the campaign also advocates the microchipping of children from birth......................

All I can say is please never believe anything you read in the media.

Question everything

XXX

So do you think it was all part of trying to people microchipped from birth? If so I find that a little hard to believe, why not just get parents of one of the children actually abducted to support the campaign?

The thought of microchipping children is wrong to me though, just going to read up on the AMber Alert campaign

Good luck. I haven't looked at for a few years but someone told me that they removed all references to it in their material some time ago as there was an outcry of some sorts. You may find it referred to on other links but there has also been a clamp down an anti Mccann links over the years...wonder why....

 

[Samemka]

The fact Kate had said that she found Maddie difficult is irrelevant to me. If you read some of my texts to my OH when Katie was screaming constantly with 'colic' in the early days they would look "bad" if (heaven forbid) something happened to her! And I can also understand their friends taking Maddie out so they can spend time with their twins. Unless it happened constantly I don't think there's anything wrong with that either......or that anyone without a toddler & twins can honestly say whether they should or shouldn't have done it - can only imagine it must be very hard!

Was thinking about this last night in bed & 'they've taken her' just makes me feel so uneasy. Who? Would you really assume your child had been taken straight away or would you assume they'd wondered off since they got scared? I just think the wording is very weird. Even 'she's gone' would have made sense. Or even 'she's not here, she's missing' etc.... They've taken her sounds like something you may say to cover up something else.....even the choice of the word 'they' - implying a group of people or more than 1...its just not right! And then leaving your two twins in a room where your other child had gone missing from - I dunno, maybe her instinct was to look for Maddie & she knew her shouting would alert people to come to the apartment with the twins...but even that, all that shouting should have woken them up anyway, so did she leave them there awake??

 

[Laura2919]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMBER_Alert#History

I never heard of microchipping but there was a documentary about it just after Madeleine went missing because they said if this had been in place they might have found her. Who knows Some of UK have also started their own child abduction schemes.

 

[Laura2919]

The fact Kate had said that she found Maddie difficult is irrelevant to me. If you read some of my texts to my OH when Katie was screaming constantly with 'colic' in the early days they would look "bad" if (heaven forbid) something happened to her! And I can also understand their friends taking Maddie out so they can spend time with their twins. Unless it happened constantly I don't think there's anything wrong with that either......or that anyone without a toddler & twins can honestly say whether they should or shouldn't have done it - can only imagine it must be very hard!
Was thinking about this last night in bed & 'they've taken her' just makes me feel so uneasy. Who? Would you really assume your child had been taken straight away or would you assume they'd wondered off since they got scared? I just think the wording is very weird. Even 'she's gone' would have made sense. Or even 'she's not here, she's missing' etc.... They've taken her sounds like something you may say to cover up something else.....even the choice of the word 'they' - implying a group of people or more than 1...its just not right! And then leaving your two twins in a room where your other child had gone missing from - I dunno, maybe her instinct was to look for Maddie & she knew her shouting would alert people to come to the apartment with the twins...but even that, all that shouting should have woken them up anyway, so did she leave them there awake??

I just have the twins and no older or younger child and its difficult. I dont know why people focus on her saying Madeleine was difficult sometimes, what child isnt? I know my two can test the water and we all get fed up at one point, doesnt mean we want to harm our children.

 

[Samemka]

Xanthe - Sorry to sound dumb but when you mentioned the Mccanns supporting the amber alert campagin & microchipping, why do you (or others) find that strange? (I'm not being funny just wondering if there's something here I'm missing) because IF she was taken I can understand them supporting that campaign.

 

[Tasha]

I wasnt meaning they had done anything purposely, just asking did any one think that? The main reason I ask is that the police say she was murdered that night, well if they think it was accidental surely it wouldnt be murder

Thanks for the link Laura, I tried to find stuff and couldnt really other than a fb page.

Where is that information avaliable in Portugal Xanthe, books, internet?

 

[Tasha]

Oh hang on they actually say died dont they, sorry need more sleep.

 

[Laura2919]

Tasha, Youtube might have some of the documentary on there if you want to know more about it.

 

[TattiesMum]

I just have the twins and no older or younger child and its difficult. I dont know why people focus on her saying Madeleine was difficult sometimes, what child isnt? I know my two can test the water and we all get fed up at one point, doesnt mean we want to harm our children.

I agree Laura - we all get fed up with our kids at some point or another when they are being difficult and we're tired etc ... which is why I never really take much notice of the 'behavoural' arguments in respect of the McCanns - whether that is that they seem very calculating and odd or that they don't seem to have been very 'hands on' parents.

I kind of think that that stuff is all a bit distracting from the more worrying stuff - like the immediate insistance on abduction, the ever changing stories about doors being locked etc, the refusing to answer questions or attend a police reconstruction, the trademarking of Madeleine's name, having her made a ward of court, washing the toy when they found out that the dogs were coming ... and (for me most importantly) the dogs themselves

It always comes back to the dogs for me ... what are the chances of two separate dogs (who have always been reliable before and after they went to Portugal) repeatedly backing each other up wrongly in this one case? Dogs don't have an agenda, they don't lie ... they just sniff out what they are trained to

Whichever way you look at it, that's just plain dodgy ... it might not be admissable as stand alone evidence in court - because it doesn't say anything about what exactly happened, but it's good enough for me to believe that Madeleine died in that apartment, that her body was at some point in the McCanns hire car and that the whole 'abduction' thing was made up. I just can't see any other logical explanation

 

[Laura2919]

I dont know a huge amount about the dogs but I can bet you that when they said about the doors being locked they wanted the public, media and police to believe they were stupid enough to go out and leave their door unlocked in their apartment, then when it got a little bit too much they decided to tell the truth.

Its true that the McCanns havent helped matters with lying but I suppose under pressure from what had huge media coverage from the very start would maybe thats the reasons they lied and when the british public get wind of lies they automatically think they had something to do with it. Maybe their lies were to stop them from SS getting involved, who knows. I just dont believe they had anything to do with her dissapearance.

 

[Tasha]

What documentry? Told you I need more sleep only had an hour or so a night in the last nearly four weeks.

They trademarked Madeleine's name? Who made her ward of the court, the parents?

 

[Samemka]

TattiesMum, why have they trademarked her name?? And what does ward of court mean?

I agree about the dogs. How did the Mccanns explain this??

If she did die in the apartment though, is it assumed it must have been some form of accidental overdose....ie something with no blood/forensic evidence??

 

[Tasha]

Ward of the court is where all decision's about the minors upbringing must be approved by the court, basically making the court its guardian.