Kate McCann releasing a book...

[Samemka]

I heard on the news at teatime that the Macanns want answers and want the governments help in getting these.

Correct me if i am wrong but they want the British taxpayers to pay for an enquiry for something that happened in another country and for the want of a better wording their own fault??

They left their children with no adult while they ate, they are educated people and their own stupidity cost them one of their children.

V xx

People do stupid things all the time. Our government should absolutely step up and try to find out what happened to Madeliene, whatever the cost.

It's not about money, it's about a little girl who has been missing for 4 years, and the authorities have given up on her.

Im sorry but when most of the general public believe that the macanns are involved in maddies dissapearence it is about OUR money!! who knows what they are spending all this money on, well apart from their mortgage.

im sorry but there are 100's of thousands of genuine children missing in the world and they dont get such a high profile search do they?

the mcannans have only been able to do so much by begging the public for more money.

there does have to come a time when you can look no more.

gerry and/or kate know exactly what happened and one day it will leak out.

I expect they are spending alot of money on private detectives ect..... as we would all do if our child was missing, and desperately wanted to find her.

You say most of the general public believe that the mcanns are involved in Maddies disapperence, and you mention all the money the public have given them?

If your child is missing, you would never stop looking, would you?

You don't know that Kate and Gerry know what happened to Madeleine.

Im sorry but you really need to read the full thread, every thing that people are mentioning and your shooting down has been spoken about in different stages. Can you explain why kae mccann never physically searched for her daughter, not once? or why she refused to answe all 48 questions during her interview with police? Why gerry mccanns large holdall that he tok on holiday hs never been found and he claims to not know where it is? People arnt just plucking these thoughts from thin air! Kx

I have to agree here - I think if your attitude is going to always be 'there is no evidence, you don't know they did it' then that point has been made several times over on this thread. Seeing as we are all painfully aware there is no 'solid' evidence to link the McCanns to Madeleine's 'disappearance' every new suggestion is met with the same response which just seems like going round in circles for no good reason. If people want to discuss the hundreds of discrepancies....then really, they should be able to without constantly being met with the suggestion they there's no solid evidence. If there was solid evidence then we wouldn't need to discuss it!

 

[Samemka]

https://truthformadeleine.com/2008/07/theauthor-dumfounded-by-chaplins/

Very interesting comments, numbers 5 and 6

 

[// arcadia]

The McCanns dined out every night of their holiday while their poor children slept alone. They are lucky that this happened on the night they chose to dine in the tapas bar and not Tuesday for example when they dined in Chaplins, below their beloved church, near the beach, 8 times the distance away. They never once checked on their children as they claim, ask the staff! Talk to elderly Mrs. Senn [sic] who lives above and she’ll tell you on that particular Tuesday night she had to sit listening to one of the children “screeming [sic], crying” from 22:30 till 23:45. They went to dinner around 19:00h. Those poor, poor children. Yes, they should be prosecuted. How DARE they preach to other parents and try to teach us safety measures to ensure our children are safe from predators? How DARE they take the positions of heroes? How DARE they commit this crime upon poor Madeleine? Yes, they did it.

Is that true?!

 

[Strawberries]

Read that site Sam. Think those points are fairly plausible poor little girl.

 

[Nut_Shake]

I am just in shock. From the start I personally have believed that they haven't told the truth. I'm not saying they are cold callous killers, but I believe there was an accident, they covered it up and they are running scared, they have dug a lying hole so far deep it is now impossible to get out. I actually believe that emotionally they have hidden what happened so deep inside that they no longer even believe they had anything to do with her disappearence.

How lovely that all the holes in their stories are being covered up left right and centre. Just lovely.

 

[TattiesMum]

IF they did, how can they have kept up the lie for 4 years & very much in the public eye??
They have to keep it up because of the attention, they can't appear to just 'give up' on her.

Ben Needham went missing in 1991, his mum still has no idea where he is & she's still searching, you just dont see it like with the McCanns, She hasnt given up the search for her little boy so if the McCanns did do it, why didnt they just slip into the background like Kerry Needham (unfortunatly poor woman) why be constantly in the public eye? ie going on oprah, writing to The PM, having celebrities on your side??? Just doesnt make sense to me x

The McCanns have to keep going in such a public way because they know so many people don't believe she was abducted.

Kerry Needham didn't have anything to 'prove' ... few people disbelieved that Ben had been taken and she never sought attention for herself

On the subject of a UK police team flying to Portugal to view the files ... it would seem that either our media or the PM has rather jumped the gun on that one ... it appears that no-one bothered to even talk to the portuguese in advance of today's news

This : from ABOLA (a portuguese newspaper)
The PJ has this Friday denied the existence of a collaboration with the British police in the investigation task into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the English girl who was last seen in Praia da Luz, Algarve. The information was provided by Renascenca.

Remember that on Thursday night, the international media told of the British government's decision to order new efforts in the investigation of the Maddie case. However, no information was given about an involvement of the Portuguese authorities in the case, only the participation of Scotland yard.

And this from the Portuguese Judiciary:

The Judiciary Police denies that there is at this time any joint investigative team - involving Portuguese and British - devoted exclusively to find new clues about Maddie's disappearance. Contacted by Renascença, Pedro do Carmo, the Judiciary National joint director, explained that similarly to other cases, an investigation of this kind is never completely closed.

Portugal's contacts with the British authorities and vice versa have occurred informally and spaced. The information exchange has taken place where necessary in the context of police cooperation.

The new British incursion in trying to find the British girl does not bring any new responsibility to Portugal. It also does not give total freedom to the British to do any investigation in the Portuguese territory, unless it is done trough the legal processes.

Pedro do Carmo explains the Judiciary Police continues to be open to all steps that might contribute to enlighten and solve Maddie's disappearance. So far, there is no new information, or evidence, that can lead to the reopening of the investigation archived in 2008, said the director.

 

[TattiesMum]

I joined the Offical Find Madeleine campaign page on FB, but something about the status updates bothers me.....I don't know what or why, and I know it's only their pr person behind the computer so to speak....but eugh......

It's not something I'd ever join Hon and I've never even looked at it ... what do you mean?

 

[TattiesMum]

was gerry acompanied and watched while getting maddies pillowcase from the uk?? i highly doubt it. If that was the UK police that apartment would have been sealed and forsenics in straight away. they would have seized everything! how can the police force get away with not doing that?!?!? why has nobody from the police been fired for that?

He actually was escorted to the house by UK police to remove the pillowcase - which never went back to Portugal as far as I know, but was taken to the FSS in Birmingham by the Leicester Police

Oddly enough there weren't any sheets on the twins cots when the Portuguese police originally arrived at the apartment. Other bedding was kept but, as Tasha said, being resort linen it would have been contaminated with other DNA. They did take Madeleine's toothbrush, but again it could easily have been tampered with ... that's why they wanted something from the McCanns house, so that they knew it would be as uncontaminated as possible.

LOL ... sorry for the posting frenzy! I've been out all day so I'm catching up

 

[Samemka]

was gerry acompanied and watched while getting maddies pillowcase from the uk?? i highly doubt it. If that was the UK police that apartment would have been sealed and forsenics in straight away. they would have seized everything! how can the police force get away with not doing that?!?!? why has nobody from the police been fired for that?

He actually was escorted to the house by UK police to remove the pillowcase - which never went back to Portugal as far as I know, but was taken to the FSS in Birmingham by the Leicester Police

Oddly enough there weren't any sheets on the twins cots when the Portuguese police originally arrived at the apartment. Other bedding was kept but, as Tasha said, being resort linen it would have been contaminated with other DNA. They did take Madeleine's toothbrush, but again it could easily have been tampered with ... that's why they wanted something from the McCanns house, so that they knew it would be as uncontaminated as possible.

Thank you for clarifying.

I still find it strange the twins cots didn't have sheets on. There's no way in hell I'd let Emma or Katie sleep on a bare matress, you don't know what it's had on it

 

[purpledahlia]

The status updates in it are all about money, thanks for buying the book, thanks for being there, more advertising of the book, advertising them on TV, etc etc

 

[honey08]

i find it all just to bizarre and odd, sad and upsetting, no cot sheets its just all weird

 

[TattiesMum]

I still find it strange the twins cots didn't have sheets on. There's no way in hell I'd let Emma or Katie sleep on a bare matress, you don't know what it's had on it

I wouldn't even let Kaylum do it in my house - where I know what the mattress has had on it

.... and this from the woman (ie me) who let him share carrots with goats at the farm this afternoon

 

[purpledahlia]

I think that point number 5 in that link is the most perfect example ive read/heard. ill copy and paste for anyone who wants to see. bear in mind this is just someones individual perspective. but to me, its the most sense out of the whole thing. I did think about ''did she hurt herself when the upstairs lady heard the crying'' but i didnt think further. I agree with the poster who wrote this quote -

5
PeterMac Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 3:52 am
This fits perfectly with what another poster said more recently. Sorry, to quote it in full, but I think it bears another read.
178
Lyndsey Says:
I have been giving this case a lot of thought lately, and still believe, despite the rumours about paedophilia, that Madeline was somehow injured, which accounts for the blood findings in the apartment. (Of course it could be that she was subject to both!).
However, I have been thinking along the lines that she was not injured on the night she went missing, but the night Mrs Fenn heard her crying. I believe that on that night when Mrs Fenn heard her, that somehow she had fallen and hurt her head really badly and carried on crying. I believe that she may have bled from either her nose or her ear, which is common with a bang on the head. I believe that when her parents came home they managed to calm her down pretty quickly and clean her up. (Remember that Kate McCann did admit, as one of their innocent reasons for finding blood in the apartment, that Madeleine had indeed had a nose bleed).
Crucially, I believe they did not seek medical help for Madeleine because they had left her for 75 minutes and thought they would be asked some awkward questions. I believe she should have had a scan on her head in a hospital but they failed to do this, thinking, we are doctors we will keep her under our own observations.
I believe they gave her Calpol to calm her down, as well as again the next morning when Madeleine asked why they did not come when she was crying (they omitted to say that Madeline said why did you not come when I was crying because I hurt my head!). I believe no visible mark showed on top of her head because she has a very good head of hair. I then think that Madeline, the next day, and as a lot of small children can do, appeared to get over her trauma quite quickly and because the Calpol had helped soothed her headache, but that the McCann’s both decided to increase their checks on the night of the 3rd May, just in case.
I believe that Madeleine would have gone to the kids club as usual next day with her parents telling her that they would mention her head to the staff (which I do not believe they did). I think they gave her even more Calpol when they collected her at lunch time.
Again, on the night of 3rd May they gave her more Calpol and increased their observations of Madeleine, this is why not only the McCann’s but indeed all of their friends were checking the McCann apartment (Remember, the McCann’s at no time stated they helped to check their friend’s apartments).
There must be a good reason for this and I think it was because of Madeleine previously hurting herself. Then, the unthinkable happens, and Madeleine is discovered to have had a relapse from her head injury, which has proved fatal. Having failed to seek medical help for their daughter, having left her 75 minutes when it occurred, having failed to stay in with her on the night of the 3rd, there is only one course of action open to them, that is to avoid a post mortem at all costs.
They would be well aware of the consequences of their actions and how they would be accused of neglect. Also they would have given her a lot of Calpol to help ease her headache and it might have been too much for her small body. (I think the twins had had their fair share as well to ensure they all slept soundly).
All in all they were disgracefully neglectful of their children, especially of their eldest daughter and failed her. Even Kate McCann is quoted as saying, “We have let her down”. I believe they invested the abduction theory as their apartment was on the ground floor, opening on to the street, and they thought it was a story that would be believed, especially as they are well educated doctors.

 

[honey08]

just read that it just doesnt add up not to be anything against the maccans !?

 

[Nut_Shake]

I'm so angry right now my head might just explode

 

[Samemka]

I think that point number 5 in that link is the most perfect example ive read/heard. ill copy and paste for anyone who wants to see. bear in mind this is just someones individual perspective. but to me, its the most sense out of the whole thing. I did think about ''did she hurt herself when the upstairs lady heard the crying'' but i didnt think further. I agree with the poster who wrote this quote -

5
PeterMac Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 3:52 am
This fits perfectly with what another poster said more recently. Sorry, to quote it in full, but I think it bears another read.
178
Lyndsey Says:
I have been giving this case a lot of thought lately, and still believe, despite the rumours about paedophilia, that Madeline was somehow injured, which accounts for the blood findings in the apartment. (Of course it could be that she was subject to both!).
However, I have been thinking along the lines that she was not injured on the night she went missing, but the night Mrs Fenn heard her crying. I believe that on that night when Mrs Fenn heard her, that somehow she had fallen and hurt her head really badly and carried on crying. I believe that she may have bled from either her nose or her ear, which is common with a bang on the head. I believe that when her parents came home they managed to calm her down pretty quickly and clean her up. (Remember that Kate McCann did admit, as one of their innocent reasons for finding blood in the apartment, that Madeleine had indeed had a nose bleed).
Crucially, I believe they did not seek medical help for Madeleine because they had left her for 75 minutes and thought they would be asked some awkward questions. I believe she should have had a scan on her head in a hospital but they failed to do this, thinking, we are doctors we will keep her under our own observations.
I believe they gave her Calpol to calm her down, as well as again the next morning when Madeleine asked why they did not come when she was crying (they omitted to say that Madeline said why did you not come when I was crying because I hurt my head!). I believe no visible mark showed on top of her head because she has a very good head of hair. I then think that Madeline, the next day, and as a lot of small children can do, appeared to get over her trauma quite quickly and because the Calpol had helped soothed her headache, but that the McCann’s both decided to increase their checks on the night of the 3rd May, just in case.
I believe that Madeleine would have gone to the kids club as usual next day with her parents telling her that they would mention her head to the staff (which I do not believe they did). I think they gave her even more Calpol when they collected her at lunch time.
Again, on the night of 3rd May they gave her more Calpol and increased their observations of Madeleine, this is why not only the McCann’s but indeed all of their friends were checking the McCann apartment (Remember, the McCann’s at no time stated they helped to check their friend’s apartments).
There must be a good reason for this and I think it was because of Madeleine previously hurting herself. Then, the unthinkable happens, and Madeleine is discovered to have had a relapse from her head injury, which has proved fatal. Having failed to seek medical help for their daughter, having left her 75 minutes when it occurred, having failed to stay in with her on the night of the 3rd, there is only one course of action open to them, that is to avoid a post mortem at all costs.
They would be well aware of the consequences of their actions and how they would be accused of neglect. Also they would have given her a lot of Calpol to help ease her headache and it might have been too much for her small body. (I think the twins had had their fair share as well to ensure they all slept soundly).
All in all they were disgracefully neglectful of their children, especially of their eldest daughter and failed her. Even Kate McCann is quoted as saying, “We have let her down”. I believe they invested the abduction theory as their apartment was on the ground floor, opening on to the street, and they thought it was a story that would be believed, especially as they are well educated doctors.

This would also explain why they thought it was ok to go out the night after she was heard crying for so long - they didn't expect her to wake because she'd be drowsy.

Not that they needed an excuse to leave them mind!

 

[purpledahlia]

They probably justified it to themselves by 'being closer' at the tapas bar rather than the other one, which is why the whole group of them are all covering up because they all left their kids for so long, some of them were only 1! its F%^£ing disgusting!!!!

 

[purpledahlia]

Could the cot sheets have been used to, well on maddie? I'd never let ava sleep on something without a sheet!!

 

[Samemka]

Could the cot sheets have been used to, well on maddie? I'd never let ava sleep on something without a sheet!!

I thought this too originally, but then I thought, nah, because surely if they had gone back & found her that night they wouldn't have risked waking up the twins to get their sheets.

However, if she was dead earlier than that night, it would make perect sense...

Made myself feel really sick now, like to me, that really makes sense

 

[Tasha]

Especially as they were able to request new sheets, so if the LO's had had an accident they could of got more.