long cycles support thread :) the yelping vaginas club! (closed group)

[foquita]

my OPK is negative my pee was pretty much clear and I did it at 6pm but I don't think they would have affected it so much that it was almost blank! it was actually a darker line yesterday

I don't know whether to tonight now or not, I have been abstaining the last few nights to save up the sperm and don't want to waste it if I'm not going to ovulate tomorrow

 

[Rachel789]

I know, tell me about it! I am soooo sick of being tested, going to appts, getting ultrasound probes, catheters and everything else up in my business I really don't know how much more of this I can take. If the IUI doesnt work I will have to take a break and reevaluate.

 

[Rachel789]

How dark was the line yesterday? Do you think its possible you already surged so by today it is gone and you will maybe O tomorrow morning? Thats a tough call on the BD'ing, I know due to the lower sperm count why you don't want to waste it. I think with lower sperm count you should only BD every 2 days right?

 

[foquita]

it's a horrible thing to go through, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy I have been finding myself wondering a lot what I have done to deserve this

is the IUI expensive for you?

 

[foquita]

How dark was the line yesterday? Do you think its possible you already surged so by today it is gone and you will maybe O tomorrow morning? Thats a tough call on the BD'ing, I know due to the lower sperm count why you don't want to waste it. I think with lower sperm count you should only BD every 2 days right?

it wasn't that dark yesterday, definitely not dark enough to call anywhere close to positive

there is so much conflicting information about when to BD I was thinking every two days would be good though I'm not feeling too great tonight anyway so I might just leave it til tomorrow afternoon. I absolutely despise having to think about when to have sex

if there were only 4 million sperm moving after 4 days abstinence I dread to think how few there are after 2 days

so many sad faces there! sorry to be such a moan

 

[Rachel789]

I am sorry you have to go through all of this. I wonder sometimes too what I did to deserve this. And I really hate my body most days for not working as it should.

When is your OH getting another SA? I really hope there is an improvement.

The IUI cycle will be somewhat pricey but DH and I both agree at this point we are willing to do what it takes. At the moment I am only working part time from home and don't bring in much money but luckily DH did really well this year (he is in sales) so it shouldnt be too difficult to spend a little money on it, although we would of course rather be saving that money or taking a vacation. It will be roughly $700ish each IUI cycle. That includes as many scans as are needed, the sperm wash and the IUI itself. It also includes the meds. It can range anywhere from $560-700 depending if your insurance covers meds which mine doesnt so I am on the higher end.

 

[foquita]

thanks rachel, i'm sorry you have to go through it too i wish none of us did

that's excellent! i've noticed that in the states most fertility stuff is more expensive but your IUI is about half the price of one here it's still a lot of money but it's worth it

I don't know about the SA, he went to the doctor the other week to ask and the doc just said he had to send away for the report from ACU and told him to come back 'in a few weeks' with me to the GP who referred me which is so vague and also impossible because that GP is on maternity leave plus she referred me to the wrong place in the first place anyway it is seriously easier to pull teeth than to get help what will happen is we'll go out of our way to get a time we can both go to the doctor together and the doctor won't have a clue what we're talking about and it'll be really embarrassing and we'll go away no further forward! I am still thinking about paying for one privately, I'm not sure what to do yet!

I think fear of tomorrow and the fact I'm really tired today is making me feel so much worse about things. the despair comes in waves doesn't it?

 

[Rachel789]

Yea the IUI isn't as much as I thought it would be to be honest. And my dr. said he will try to code the claim for the Femara as having to due with irregular periods instead of infertility so I am hoping to get that covered which would probably save me about $100 per cycle.

The process you have to go through to get testing done and see the drs sounds frustrating but it is so nice that it is free, I guess it is a double edged sword, huh?

I completely understand your fears for tomorrow. I had butterflies in my stomach before my appt last week. It is so nerve wracking. I hope and think you will get great news though!

 

[foquita]

I'll take some of your positivity about it in with me thank you

yeah I forget sometimes how insensitive it is of me to complain about the NHS when you girls have to pay I apologise for that, i always made sure never to moan about our health service but that was before i was infertile and in this case I'm just so frustrated still though, I've had all my tests for free and I will get one free shot of ICSI and I should appreciate that!

 

[Rachel789]

Yes that is amazing that you know you have a free try at that in less than 2 years! My dr said if I don't get pregnant over 3-4 IUIs we should consider IVF. DH doesnt really want to talk much about it unless it becomes a reality. Myself I like to plan ahead so I am mentally ready if it happens. I don't think he is excited at the idea of IVF but he would try it for me. My dr. said it would cost around 10k for us with a success rate around 50%. We have money in the bank so I think if it comes to it we should give it a shot once, so at least we will know we tried everything and if that doesnt work I can move on with my life. We may have spent 10k but if it doesnt work we will save 250k which is the estimated cost of raising a child and if it does work it will be well worth the 10k!

 

[cmwilson]

Hi ladies, hope everyone is doing well!

Bethany - I don't want to get your hopes up but it really does look like you O'd. I wouldn't worry about the opks I've gotten dark lines even when I didn't O and you've got a clear temperature rise. I hope this is it for you! Did you bd a lot around when you think you O'd?

Raven and Rachel - Your charts are both looking different than last cycle! I hope that's a good sign!

Hope all our mommies to be are doing well!!

Jbk - Great news on the positive opk!

Nat - Good luck tomorrow! I know how you feel about dreading doctors appointments. There have only been two or three appointments out of maybe 20 appointments that I've gotten good news. It's such a scary feeling but at least you are getting more information and with more information they can better treat you. I know it's hard, I've asked DH countless times, "what did I do wrong? Why am I broken?" He said that of course I'm not broken and didn't do anything wrong. He said we can't help what challenges we are given but we can do everything we can to fix things. I guess we're not given anything more than we can handle but it sure feels like I have more bad luck than others. We have each other and we have our wonderful men in our lives, in that way we are very lucky.

 

[bnporter81]

Thank you girls for your positive attitude towards my O. I wish I could be as positive about it, lol If I did O., then no, I don't think my chances this cycle will be very good. The OPKs have thrown me for a loop this time and I don't think we did enough.DH is hardly ever home and with me not really having an OPK to rely on this time, it has made it a lot harder. Oh well, at least if I did O., then I'll have an AF soon and I'll be glad of that

I agree, Rachel and Raven, your charts are looking good!

Nat, I hope you get some good news back tomorrowTry to stay positive about everything...I know it can be so hard sometimes, but when you're down the only way to go is up. Just remember, there can always be something good just around the corner I had a miscarriage in '06' and then was TTC off and on, but never used any protection and still didn't conceive until the end of '08'. So it was a little over two years but it finally happened unexpectedly and everything was fine. Hang in there, hon...I know it will happen for you

 

[Diddums]

Nat good luck at your appoitneby today. Will be thinking of you!xxx

 

[foquita]

that's a great way to think of it Rachel, I think we're similar in that we have to have a plan and there will come a point where we have to draw a line under it! I can't keep going like this forever either. it's actually helping me to think of it in the long term, I was going to pay lots of money to have things done privately just now but now I've decided I'll wait, try naturally until we have ICSI in summer 2014 then in 2016/2017 we will fund our own ICSI. we could scrape the money together before that but it would be stupid because I have to pay my own tuition fees in the third year of my degree because I've already done a degree so I should keep my money for that!

caroline, you're right that we are lucky I spend way too much time now thinking about what I don't have (kids) instead of thinking of all the things I do have (everything else), I need to stop it and appreciate things more! your hubby is so wise how are you feeling in the 2WW?

thank you bethany you're right that the only way is up, I'll remember that one it's reassuring that you conceived naturally after all that time, that's what is worrying me I think - as each month goes past your chances get lower and lower they say and a natural conception gets further and further away maybe it's different though because we're both subfertile! if I could know for sure it will happen one day I would feel much more relaxed if you know what I mean?

thanks Katya it's not til 3.30, I'm actually quite excited now and really looking forward to getting it over with!

 

[mrsc81]

Nat - my mum fell pregnant by 'accident' with my sister at 16, then she tried to conceive me and it took her 2.5yrs of trying.
It will happen for you, its just a matter of when, 95% of couples have conceived by the 2yr mark.

If anyone is interested the average statistics are as follows:

20% will conceive within one month
70% will conceive within six months
85% will conceive within one year
90% will conceive within 18 months
95% will conceive within two years

5% left after 2yrs is a very small amount of couples.

 

[foquita]

thanks to be fair though I think the 5% that's left are the ones with fertility problems i.e. me and davie

I have seven months to go then until I'm left in the 5% I'm only one month off being in the 10%

if I ovulate this cycle I'll feel loads better xxxx

 

[mrsc81]

Its kind of a bit off for us because we tend to have long cycles, and usually 1mth is about 1 cycle, so i guess that means 24 cycles.
You wont be in the 5%

 

[foquita]

yeah we have less cycles so it makes sense it would take longer I didn't even get a chance until I had been trying for 13 months! crazy

I hope not for me it's the sperm that are the biggest problem now though

 

[foquita]

my appointment went really well my AMH is 53.9 (normal range is up to 20!) and they've given me letrozole and provera, I've to take 10mg provera for 5 days then 5mg letrozole CD2-6, then I will have an ultrasound on CD12 to see how my follies are doing, and a CD21 progesterone test

I was feeling happy but blasé about it straight after but now I'm so happy, I've been waiting for this for a year!!! I can't believe I'm going to be being monitored wasn't expecting that at all so I'm very pleased

she did say though that I've not to get my hopes up, at least I will be having a chance though.

sooo when should I take the provera? I was thinking I'll wait a few days just to make sure that I didn't ovulate today?

 

[cmwilson]

Wonderful news Nat!!! That is so exciting! You were already ovulating with soy so I am optimistic that you'll ovulate with Femara! Things are happening! I'm so happy for you! That's great that you'll be monitored. Will you do an IUI as well if you have good follies?

Maybe give it two or three days to look for a temp increase, then start provera.