"Only female volunteers over 18 can change diapers"....

[Sussy]

My bro didn't go into childcare as he thought he would be viewed nagatively...such a shame as he is fab with kids and would make a great role model.

I am a nursery nurse and have worked in nurseries and a school with both sexes and obviously children have had nappy changes as it is part of the job the worker is qualified to do regardless of sex. I personally feel it is up to the safeguarding procedures of the setting to keep children safe not a ridiculous "only men abuse children" attitude, as that is where children are open to abuse when you assume "the nice lady is changing them", just as crazy as assuming any man who works with children is an abuser.

 

[staralfur]

I think for me it comes down to having "trustworthy" people change my LO's diaper and that's it. No gender discrimination. I have male friends who have babies who I would let change her diaper if the situation arose. I would trust my FIL, my mom's husband, my uncles, my male cousins. And yes, I'm aware that abuse happens more frequently among friends/relatives than strangers, but I still want to have trust in the people that I love and care about.

As far as daycare workers are concerned, if they've had appropriate background checks then I couldn't care less if they have a penis or not.

 

[Missy86]

My DH could care less that men can't change diapers at some places. He isn't offended by it at all...... Is it possible we are getting defensive on the behalf of a lot of men who really don't give a hoot?

That's not the point, sexism works both ways

But it is the point. It's one thing to get up in arms because someone was passed over for a job promotion based on discrimination. But we're talking about changing diapers.

But if people won't let a man change diapers how is he meant to get a job with babies

they currently do now work with babies, they just can't change them

If I was a bloke I would think I was being discriminated against, a women in the same job is allowed too change nappies but I am not even though we have the same training and have passed the same checks. What happened to job equality

If I women was told she couldn't do something in a job there would be uproar

I really fear for my boys

 

[jenniferttc1]

Can I just ask, those of you who say anyone changing a nappy should have a 'buddy'/do it in pairs, what about independent childminders?

X

Personally I would only let someone I really trusted to watch my child alone with the buddy system. Woman or male, I'm a mother that doesn't trust anyone I don't really know. I trust all of my family, mother, brother, sister and cousins and my dad. They would never hurt him in any way. My husbands family would be different, not because its not my family, but because my husbands mother was abusive and he don't even really know his brother. I would prefer a daycare with a good partner system or close family

 

[preggymammy]

My DH could care less that men can't change diapers at some places. He isn't offended by it at all...... Is it possible we are getting defensive on the behalf of a lot of men who really don't give a hoot?

That's not the point, sexism works both ways

But it is the point. It's one thing to get up in arms because someone was passed over for a job promotion based on discrimination. But we're talking about changing diapers.

But if people won't let a man change diapers how is he meant to get a job with babies

they currently do now work with babies, they just can't change them

If I was a bloke I would think I was being discriminated against, a women in the same job is allowed too change nappies but I am not even though we have the same training and have passed the same checks. What happened to job equality

If I women was told she couldn't do something in a job there would be uproar

I really fear for my boys

I used to work as a carer for the elderly. Male employees were not allowed to enter the home of a woman under our care, however female employees could see to both men and women under our care. That's the way it's generally done in home care or care settings... The male employeed don't get all fussy over job equality though.

Also women can't fly fighter jets or be on the front line in conflict situations... just the way it is!

Just saying, there are some jobs that can't be totally equal!

HOWEVER... I do get what you're saying

 

[bumpy_j]

Are male care home assistants not allowed to change adult nappies because far more men are found guilty of sexual assault than women on average? Genuine question

 

[robinator]

My DH could care less that men can't change diapers at some places. He isn't offended by it at all...... Is it possible we are getting defensive on the behalf of a lot of men who really don't give a hoot?

That's not the point, sexism works both ways

But it is the point. It's one thing to get up in arms because someone was passed over for a job promotion based on discrimination. But we're talking about changing diapers.

But if people won't let a man change diapers how is he meant to get a job with babies

they currently do now work with babies, they just can't change them

If I was a bloke I would think I was being discriminated against, a women in the same job is allowed too change nappies but I am not even though we have the same training and have passed the same checks. What happened to job equality

If I women was told she couldn't do something in a job there would be uproar

I really fear for my boys

You're assuming your boys would want to change diapers for a living.

 

[Missy86]

I thought women could be on the front line and fly fighter jets

 

[bumpy_j]

My DH could care less that men can't change diapers at some places. He isn't offended by it at all...... Is it possible we are getting defensive on the behalf of a lot of men who really don't give a hoot?

That's not the point, sexism works both ways

But it is the point. It's one thing to get up in arms because someone was passed over for a job promotion based on discrimination. But we're talking about changing diapers.

But if people won't let a man change diapers how is he meant to get a job with babies

they currently do now work with babies, they just can't change them

If I was a bloke I would think I was being discriminated against, a women in the same job is allowed too change nappies but I am not even though we have the same training and have passed the same checks. What happened to job equality

If I women was told she couldn't do something in a job there would be uproar

I really fear for my boys

I used to work as a carer for the elderly. Male employees were not allowed to enter the home of a woman under our care, however female employees could see to both men and women under our care. That's the way it's generally done in home care or care settings... The male employeed don't get all fussy over job equality though.

Also women can't fly fighter jets or be on the front line in conflict situations... just the way it is!

Just saying, there are some jobs that can't be totally equal!

HOWEVER... I do get what you're saying

I thought women were allowed on the frontline now?

 

[preggymammy]

Are male care home assistants not allowed to change adult nappies because far more men are found guilty of sexual assault than women on average? Genuine question

They are - but only for men. They can't take care of women. I never asked so not sure whether it's a safeguarding thing or just to save the embarrassment for the elderly lady in our care but it's just done that way

 

[robinator]

I thought women could be on the front line and fly fighter jets

We can fly airplanes, although a few of my clients didn't like to see me up front; apparently they think a man can do it better

No skin off my nose.

 

[Banshee]

Women can be fighter pilots and fight on the front line.

 

[Missy86]

My DH could care less that men can't change diapers at some places. He isn't offended by it at all...... Is it possible we are getting defensive on the behalf of a lot of men who really don't give a hoot?

That's not the point, sexism works both ways

But it is the point. It's one thing to get up in arms because someone was passed over for a job promotion based on discrimination. But we're talking about changing diapers.

But if people won't let a man change diapers how is he meant to get a job with babies

they currently do now work with babies, they just can't change them

If I was a bloke I would think I was being discriminated against, a women in the same job is allowed too change nappies but I am not even though we have the same training and have passed the same checks. What happened to job equality

If I women was told she couldn't do something in a job there would be uproar

I really fear for my boys

You're assuming your boys would want to change diapers for a living.

If they want to me nursery nurses I wouldn't mind

I would also like them to grow up and people not think they are Pedos but I guess that's a pipe dream

 

[preggymammy]

My DH could care less that men can't change diapers at some places. He isn't offended by it at all...... Is it possible we are getting defensive on the behalf of a lot of men who really don't give a hoot?

That's not the point, sexism works both ways

But it is the point. It's one thing to get up in arms because someone was passed over for a job promotion based on discrimination. But we're talking about changing diapers.

But if people won't let a man change diapers how is he meant to get a job with babies

they currently do now work with babies, they just can't change them

If I was a bloke I would think I was being discriminated against, a women in the same job is allowed too change nappies but I am not even though we have the same training and have passed the same checks. What happened to job equality

If I women was told she couldn't do something in a job there would be uproar

I really fear for my boys

I used to work as a carer for the elderly. Male employees were not allowed to enter the home of a woman under our care, however female employees could see to both men and women under our care. That's the way it's generally done in home care or care settings... The male employeed don't get all fussy over job equality though.

Also women can't fly fighter jets or be on the front line in conflict situations... just the way it is!

Just saying, there are some jobs that can't be totally equal!

HOWEVER... I do get what you're saying

I thought women were allowed on the frontline now?

I must have missed that one!! Last time I had any involvement with the military that was the case!

 

[bumpy_j]

it's only a very recent thing mind you

 

[robinator]

My DH could care less that men can't change diapers at some places. He isn't offended by it at all...... Is it possible we are getting defensive on the behalf of a lot of men who really don't give a hoot?

That's not the point, sexism works both ways

But it is the point. It's one thing to get up in arms because someone was passed over for a job promotion based on discrimination. But we're talking about changing diapers.

But if people won't let a man change diapers how is he meant to get a job with babies

they currently do now work with babies, they just can't change them

If I was a bloke I would think I was being discriminated against, a women in the same job is allowed too change nappies but I am not even though we have the same training and have passed the same checks. What happened to job equality

If I women was told she couldn't do something in a job there would be uproar

I really fear for my boys

You're assuming your boys would want to change diapers for a living.

If they want to me nursery nurses I wouldn't mind

I would also like them to grow up and people not think they are Pedos but I guess that's a pipe dream

But that's the thing - I don't think the vast majority of people think men are pedophiles. But the vast majority of pedophiles are men; therefore these places need to cover their asses, "just in case". I certainly don't go around looking at every man, or every man in a nursery and think the worst; I don't think most people do.

 

[lozzy21]

Are male care home assistants not allowed to change adult nappies because far more men are found guilty of sexual assault than women on average? Genuine question

Men can change men but not women. Women can change both sexes unless the client has specified no women but if a male member of staff is available he should do it. However it is not to prevent abuse but to keep the clients dignity.

 

[preggymammy]

It doesn't help that movies portray this stereotype too... Have any of you seen the movie 'The Back Up Plan' with Jennifer Lopez? That scene where her boyfriend freaks out after finding out she' having twins then he stands and stares into a playground full of kids and a Dad more or less tells him to p*ss off as he looks like a pedo??

 

[bookreader]

I havent read all of this but what offends me is that such a sign reinforces any fear we have about men abusing our children, when there are plenty of other ways around it.
People could change their own babies, or do it in pairs etc.

 

[robinator]

I havent read all of this but what offends me is that such a sign reinforces any fear we have about men abusing our children, when there are plenty of other ways around it.
People could change their own babies, or do it in pairs etc.

Maybe the OP could let the children's minister at her church know the sign could be taken as offensive. Would they consider changing their policy to pairs or parents only, or rewording the sign?

Because honestly, whoever came up with it probably had no idea how it could be taken.