parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

[Anjali]

Ok, since a lot of people have taken offense to a statement I made about Americans (I live here too), this is not unknown about us! This may not apply to you personally, so no offense was meant. This is simply IMO.

 

[JleStar]

I am choosing to keep my LO vaccine free for a number of reasons.

(1) Vaccines include a lot more than just the "virus" they are trying to prevent. Vaccines need to have a lot of other additives in them to be injectable into the body. Primarily, the biggest turn offs are mercury (thimerasol), aluminum, formaldehyde, biological ingredients such as aborted fetal cells, chick embryo cells, aborted calf cells, oil-based adjuvants, peanut oils, preservatives, and more (and worse).

Each vaccine contains most, if not all, of those ingredients (plus more I didn't list). Keep in mind that the average child will be injected with 36 vaccines before the age of 3. Each time you give your child a vaccine, you inject more mercury, more aluminum, more formaldehyde, more chemicals, more aborted cells, etc, into your LO's bloodstream.

The human body is not made to expel these ingredients easily. Mercury and aluminum can build up in the body, causing a lot of health issues and a lot of side effects. For example, the peanut oils in the vaccines cannot be easily broken down by the body. Thus, the body develops an intolerance to them and - ding ding - you get peanut allergies (ever wonder why the sudden increase in peanut allergies???)

Vaccine ingredients are absolutely terrifying. You can read more in depth about these ingredients here:
https://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/what-is-coming-through-that-needle/

(2) My second reason for not vaccinating my child is that the childhood illnesses they are attempting to prevent are NOT commonplace anymore. And it was not vaccinations that made these illnesses decrease to the extent they have - it was the improvement of living conditions - running water, waste management systems, better healthcare, increased hygiene, etc. If you had any idea the squalor people lived in back when these illnesses were rampant, the living conditions of today are 100x better. We don't go poop in a bucket in our house and then toss the bucket onto the muddy street, where it runs down a makeshift sewer and infects the local butcher's shop....Medical care for illnesses was very primitive - they didn't understand coughing on people spread illness, or what germs were.

(3) Even if my child contracted an illness, chances are it would run its course as "childhood illnesses" do, and if she ended up getting more sick than usual, medical technology of today can cure it up pretty darn well.

(4) I believe in evolution, I believe in nature, I believe that, for the human species to have survived as well as it has, our immune systems must be pretty tough. ESPECIALLY to make it through hundreds of thousands of years of dismal living conditions, and dismal medical treatments. Obviously our bodies can handle a sickness here or there.

I believe that breastfeeding and giving my child a natural antibodies to fight sickness is nature's intention. I believe that my child can be exposed to certain germs and her body will develop its own antibodies, and thus she will have a natural immunity rather than an artificial one.

(5) Vaccines don't necessarily protect your child from the intended illness. The whooping cough vaccine is notoriously known for being very ineffective. As a child, I was vaccinated for whooping cough and guess what - I still got it, in grade 3. I was MISERABLY sick for weeks, but with the proper treatment (humidifiers, puffers, etc), I was fine. And not just in the child's case, but ANY vaccine has the potential to be ineffective (ie: the flu vaccine "attempts" to predict which strain of flu could be the bad one for the year...most of the time, you inject yourself with the vaccine for the WRONG strain.) I would rather be sniffly and sneezy for 10 days than inject myself with such chemicals and nonsense.

In conclusion, there is NO way to know what the accumulation of all these vaccines will do to a person. 36 injections before the age of 3? Injecting things into your baby's body that were NEVER meant to be in a human's body is just a deplorable thought to me. I don't know how anyone could honestly justify vaccinating, especially after doing the research.

I find that many people shun those who choose not to vaccinate. But the difference, is that those of us who do not vaccinate have DONE OUR RESEARCH. We have not blindly accepted that "doctor knows best" when doctor is paid by pharmaceutical companies to sell, sell, sell. It is not about protecting health anymore, it is about making money. I find that, those who do vaccinate, have done so without an hour's worth of study. They do not investigate deeper, go around what one doctor suggests, and truly do the research and find out what these vaccines are doing to this world.

And when those parents who vaccinated because of fear DO do their research, they quickly become defensive about their decision to vaccinate because they feel cognitive dissonance between their decision and the evidence. That creates a hostile person, because they have done something that contradicts what the evidence truly says.

For all of these reasons, and then some, I choose not to vaccinate. I could never justify doing that to my child, especially after knowing what those vaccines contain, and the VERY high unlikelihood my child will contract anything in this day and age. And if she does catch something? No big deal. Maybe she'll be sick, but her body will fight it and she will be all the stronger for it.

Parents who do not vaccinate are often attacked by parents who do vaccinate. Why is it any of your concern? Why would you be worried? If your child is "VACCINATED" then you should have no problem with those who don't vaccinate. After all, your child won't 'get sick', right? So you are SO concerned for the health of my child? That you are willing to tell me I'm a bad parent for not vaccinating? I'm not sorry to say it, but I feel if you vaccinate without having done research, you fit the category of bad parent. In this day and age, it is essential to research. It is essential to go around the big pharmaceutical companies and the highly paid doctors and go behind the front lines, to discover for yourself what is going on. Watch documentaries, read the clinical experiments, open some books and do some research. This is your child's life, after all.

Thank you for this. I completely agree with you 100%. We are not intending to vaccinate.

My response is the following:

From the moment a baby is born the following is done: A synthetic Vitamin K injection is given to the child, and antibiotics are put in their eyes, all to 'protect the child'. Any pregnant woman who eats lots of greens throughout her pregnancy and doesn't have any STD's will be just fine without either of these, however these 'precautions' are 'recommended'. Why would my baby bleed to death? A baby's immune system is so fragile at birth, not to mention the liver/kidney function doesn't begin to function after approximately 2 weeks after birth. The extremely high doses of both the synthetic Vitamin K and antibiotics are basically poisoning the child since it has no way to filter either out of the body. On top of that, synthetic vitamins (as most drugstore vitamins) are not absorbed by the body, which again, harms your baby and shuts down its immune system before its even fully developed. This is from day one of its life! This brings me to my next points:

Doctors/pharmaceutical companies/the government have been concocting viruses in the lab for many years. This pays off for all of them. To promote their product and to make more money, they get the CDC to 'suggest' that you and your child 'need' this or that vaccine or shot. They get doctors to scare the poor parent into what the parent thinks is 'protecting their child' from future illnesses, when in fact these vaccinations are a) ineffective b) costly and c) cause more illnesses for you to come back and spend more money on healthcare throughout your lifetime. I prefer to question everything than to trust doctors, because everyone works for someone else and doctors are incessantly paid to promote certain products and the CDC is just another instrument of the government as well. I live in the US btw so this may not apply to all countries.

Back to the baby's immune system: that is correct that 36 vaccines will be introduced into your baby's body by the time they are 3yo. Improving their chances of not being sick, say the doctors? More like impairing your baby for life. The flu shot is heavy commercialized here, and you can get one on every corner. Yet every person I know had one, and got the flu. IMO these vaccines do not guard your baby against contracting one of these illnesses, rather they weaken the baby's immune systems and block up their little bodies with disgusting additives that produce these 'new hype illnesses'. A body out of order is bound to get sick and be more susceptible to sickness/illness, thus the baby will be more, instead of less, susceptible to getting sick. The whole purpose of these vaccines is backwards: instead of being a safeguard against harmful illnesses, they are a ticket to and a catalyst for health issues in the future.

IMO, the best way to keep your babies safe is to trust knowledge, not doctors. Doctors are just another commercial brand.Research natural health and the truth about vaccines, because this is not an ideal world and people will lie to you for money, and they will risk your and your baby's health for money. Breastfeed, get lots of fresh air, exercise, eat fresh foods, and keep your and your baby's bodies clean and free of toxins and chemicals. This IMO is the best way to keep your baby healthy for life. If your child gets sick, this is only an opportunity for them to build up their immune. Don't run out to the drugstore and buy a bunch of chemicals to 'make your baby better' because of your own worry. Allow their systems to naturally process the illness as this will only make them stronger! Don't underestimate or forget how strong and capable our bodies are, especially that of children! We often mean well, but the best of our intentions/fears/worries only do harm.

With that said, doctors/chemicals/drugs should only be used in the worst of cases and dire emergencies.

That's my take on the situation lovelies!

I just emailed your post with the highlighted bits to my Mum, she's working nights as consultant cardiologist at a hospital here in Bristol...

This was her response:

LOL (is that how you say it darling?) I might as well go home and get some sleep then!

Sorry, not sure I understand the meaning behind your response. I'm not sure how it is where you are, but Americans run to the doctor if their child gets the darn hiccups or drools. Then they make sure to quickly stuff down some drugs. Drug use on adults and children is greatly overused here. I stand firmly by my opinion.

I think you are just out to offend now....glad you have that perception of americans...really uncalled for.

I am an American and Not offended by the comments. I guess some people are more sensitive. But I agree with the op that drugs are overly used/prescribed...there isn't much talk at your doctors office about prevention is there. Every time I am sick I always ask the doctor why it happened...he always looks stunned by my question...is wanting to know the cause of the illness that much of a crazy request?

 

[overcomer79]

I am choosing to keep my LO vaccine free for a number of reasons.

(1) Vaccines include a lot more than just the "virus" they are trying to prevent. Vaccines need to have a lot of other additives in them to be injectable into the body. Primarily, the biggest turn offs are mercury (thimerasol), aluminum, formaldehyde, biological ingredients such as aborted fetal cells, chick embryo cells, aborted calf cells, oil-based adjuvants, peanut oils, preservatives, and more (and worse).

Each vaccine contains most, if not all, of those ingredients (plus more I didn't list). Keep in mind that the average child will be injected with 36 vaccines before the age of 3. Each time you give your child a vaccine, you inject more mercury, more aluminum, more formaldehyde, more chemicals, more aborted cells, etc, into your LO's bloodstream.

The human body is not made to expel these ingredients easily. Mercury and aluminum can build up in the body, causing a lot of health issues and a lot of side effects. For example, the peanut oils in the vaccines cannot be easily broken down by the body. Thus, the body develops an intolerance to them and - ding ding - you get peanut allergies (ever wonder why the sudden increase in peanut allergies???)

Vaccine ingredients are absolutely terrifying. You can read more in depth about these ingredients here:
https://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/what-is-coming-through-that-needle/

(2) My second reason for not vaccinating my child is that the childhood illnesses they are attempting to prevent are NOT commonplace anymore. And it was not vaccinations that made these illnesses decrease to the extent they have - it was the improvement of living conditions - running water, waste management systems, better healthcare, increased hygiene, etc. If you had any idea the squalor people lived in back when these illnesses were rampant, the living conditions of today are 100x better. We don't go poop in a bucket in our house and then toss the bucket onto the muddy street, where it runs down a makeshift sewer and infects the local butcher's shop....Medical care for illnesses was very primitive - they didn't understand coughing on people spread illness, or what germs were.

(3) Even if my child contracted an illness, chances are it would run its course as "childhood illnesses" do, and if she ended up getting more sick than usual, medical technology of today can cure it up pretty darn well.

(4) I believe in evolution, I believe in nature, I believe that, for the human species to have survived as well as it has, our immune systems must be pretty tough. ESPECIALLY to make it through hundreds of thousands of years of dismal living conditions, and dismal medical treatments. Obviously our bodies can handle a sickness here or there.

I believe that breastfeeding and giving my child a natural antibodies to fight sickness is nature's intention. I believe that my child can be exposed to certain germs and her body will develop its own antibodies, and thus she will have a natural immunity rather than an artificial one.

(5) Vaccines don't necessarily protect your child from the intended illness. The whooping cough vaccine is notoriously known for being very ineffective. As a child, I was vaccinated for whooping cough and guess what - I still got it, in grade 3. I was MISERABLY sick for weeks, but with the proper treatment (humidifiers, puffers, etc), I was fine. And not just in the child's case, but ANY vaccine has the potential to be ineffective (ie: the flu vaccine "attempts" to predict which strain of flu could be the bad one for the year...most of the time, you inject yourself with the vaccine for the WRONG strain.) I would rather be sniffly and sneezy for 10 days than inject myself with such chemicals and nonsense.

In conclusion, there is NO way to know what the accumulation of all these vaccines will do to a person. 36 injections before the age of 3? Injecting things into your baby's body that were NEVER meant to be in a human's body is just a deplorable thought to me. I don't know how anyone could honestly justify vaccinating, especially after doing the research.

I find that many people shun those who choose not to vaccinate. But the difference, is that those of us who do not vaccinate have DONE OUR RESEARCH. We have not blindly accepted that "doctor knows best" when doctor is paid by pharmaceutical companies to sell, sell, sell. It is not about protecting health anymore, it is about making money. I find that, those who do vaccinate, have done so without an hour's worth of study. They do not investigate deeper, go around what one doctor suggests, and truly do the research and find out what these vaccines are doing to this world.

And when those parents who vaccinated because of fear DO do their research, they quickly become defensive about their decision to vaccinate because they feel cognitive dissonance between their decision and the evidence. That creates a hostile person, because they have done something that contradicts what the evidence truly says.

For all of these reasons, and then some, I choose not to vaccinate. I could never justify doing that to my child, especially after knowing what those vaccines contain, and the VERY high unlikelihood my child will contract anything in this day and age. And if she does catch something? No big deal. Maybe she'll be sick, but her body will fight it and she will be all the stronger for it.

Parents who do not vaccinate are often attacked by parents who do vaccinate. Why is it any of your concern? Why would you be worried? If your child is "VACCINATED" then you should have no problem with those who don't vaccinate. After all, your child won't 'get sick', right? So you are SO concerned for the health of my child? That you are willing to tell me I'm a bad parent for not vaccinating? I'm not sorry to say it, but I feel if you vaccinate without having done research, you fit the category of bad parent. In this day and age, it is essential to research. It is essential to go around the big pharmaceutical companies and the highly paid doctors and go behind the front lines, to discover for yourself what is going on. Watch documentaries, read the clinical experiments, open some books and do some research. This is your child's life, after all.

Thank you for this. I completely agree with you 100%. We are not intending to vaccinate.

My response is the following:

From the moment a baby is born the following is done: A synthetic Vitamin K injection is given to the child, and antibiotics are put in their eyes, all to 'protect the child'. Any pregnant woman who eats lots of greens throughout her pregnancy and doesn't have any STD's will be just fine without either of these, however these 'precautions' are 'recommended'. Why would my baby bleed to death? A baby's immune system is so fragile at birth, not to mention the liver/kidney function doesn't begin to function after approximately 2 weeks after birth. The extremely high doses of both the synthetic Vitamin K and antibiotics are basically poisoning the child since it has no way to filter either out of the body. On top of that, synthetic vitamins (as most drugstore vitamins) are not absorbed by the body, which again, harms your baby and shuts down its immune system before its even fully developed. This is from day one of its life! This brings me to my next points:

Doctors/pharmaceutical companies/the government have been concocting viruses in the lab for many years. This pays off for all of them. To promote their product and to make more money, they get the CDC to 'suggest' that you and your child 'need' this or that vaccine or shot. They get doctors to scare the poor parent into what the parent thinks is 'protecting their child' from future illnesses, when in fact these vaccinations are a) ineffective b) costly and c) cause more illnesses for you to come back and spend more money on healthcare throughout your lifetime. I prefer to question everything than to trust doctors, because everyone works for someone else and doctors are incessantly paid to promote certain products and the CDC is just another instrument of the government as well. I live in the US btw so this may not apply to all countries.

Back to the baby's immune system: that is correct that 36 vaccines will be introduced into your baby's body by the time they are 3yo. Improving their chances of not being sick, say the doctors? More like impairing your baby for life. The flu shot is heavy commercialized here, and you can get one on every corner. Yet every person I know had one, and got the flu. IMO these vaccines do not guard your baby against contracting one of these illnesses, rather they weaken the baby's immune systems and block up their little bodies with disgusting additives that produce these 'new hype illnesses'. A body out of order is bound to get sick and be more susceptible to sickness/illness, thus the baby will be more, instead of less, susceptible to getting sick. The whole purpose of these vaccines is backwards: instead of being a safeguard against harmful illnesses, they are a ticket to and a catalyst for health issues in the future.

IMO, the best way to keep your babies safe is to trust knowledge, not doctors. Doctors are just another commercial brand.Research natural health and the truth about vaccines, because this is not an ideal world and people will lie to you for money, and they will risk your and your baby's health for money. Breastfeed, get lots of fresh air, exercise, eat fresh foods, and keep your and your baby's bodies clean and free of toxins and chemicals. This IMO is the best way to keep your baby healthy for life. If your child gets sick, this is only an opportunity for them to build up their immune. Don't run out to the drugstore and buy a bunch of chemicals to 'make your baby better' because of your own worry. Allow their systems to naturally process the illness as this will only make them stronger! Don't underestimate or forget how strong and capable our bodies are, especially that of children! We often mean well, but the best of our intentions/fears/worries only do harm.

With that said, doctors/chemicals/drugs should only be used in the worst of cases and dire emergencies.

That's my take on the situation lovelies!

I just emailed your post with the highlighted bits to my Mum, she's working nights as consultant cardiologist at a hospital here in Bristol...

This was her response:

LOL (is that how you say it darling?) I might as well go home and get some sleep then!

Sorry, not sure I understand the meaning behind your response. I'm not sure how it is where you are, but Americans run to the doctor if their child gets the darn hiccups or drools. Then they make sure to quickly stuff down some drugs. Drug use on adults and children is greatly overused here. I stand firmly by my opinion.

I think you are just out to offend now....glad you have that perception of americans...really uncalled for.

I am an American and Not offended by the comments. I guess some people are more sensitive. But I agree with the op that drugs are overly used/prescribed...there isn't much talk at your doctors office about prevention is there. Every time I am sick I always ask the doctor why it happened...he always looks stunned by my question...is wanting to know the cause of the illness that much of a crazy request?

That might be your opinion but surely you can't name one person who has taken their baby to the dr over hiccups??? That is just being insultive...yes...but then again that's simply "IMO"

 

[Anjali]

I am choosing to keep my LO vaccine free for a number of reasons.

(1) Vaccines include a lot more than just the "virus" they are trying to prevent. Vaccines need to have a lot of other additives in them to be injectable into the body. Primarily, the biggest turn offs are mercury (thimerasol), aluminum, formaldehyde, biological ingredients such as aborted fetal cells, chick embryo cells, aborted calf cells, oil-based adjuvants, peanut oils, preservatives, and more (and worse).

Each vaccine contains most, if not all, of those ingredients (plus more I didn't list). Keep in mind that the average child will be injected with 36 vaccines before the age of 3. Each time you give your child a vaccine, you inject more mercury, more aluminum, more formaldehyde, more chemicals, more aborted cells, etc, into your LO's bloodstream.

The human body is not made to expel these ingredients easily. Mercury and aluminum can build up in the body, causing a lot of health issues and a lot of side effects. For example, the peanut oils in the vaccines cannot be easily broken down by the body. Thus, the body develops an intolerance to them and - ding ding - you get peanut allergies (ever wonder why the sudden increase in peanut allergies???)

Vaccine ingredients are absolutely terrifying. You can read more in depth about these ingredients here:
https://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/what-is-coming-through-that-needle/

(2) My second reason for not vaccinating my child is that the childhood illnesses they are attempting to prevent are NOT commonplace anymore. And it was not vaccinations that made these illnesses decrease to the extent they have - it was the improvement of living conditions - running water, waste management systems, better healthcare, increased hygiene, etc. If you had any idea the squalor people lived in back when these illnesses were rampant, the living conditions of today are 100x better. We don't go poop in a bucket in our house and then toss the bucket onto the muddy street, where it runs down a makeshift sewer and infects the local butcher's shop....Medical care for illnesses was very primitive - they didn't understand coughing on people spread illness, or what germs were.

(3) Even if my child contracted an illness, chances are it would run its course as "childhood illnesses" do, and if she ended up getting more sick than usual, medical technology of today can cure it up pretty darn well.

(4) I believe in evolution, I believe in nature, I believe that, for the human species to have survived as well as it has, our immune systems must be pretty tough. ESPECIALLY to make it through hundreds of thousands of years of dismal living conditions, and dismal medical treatments. Obviously our bodies can handle a sickness here or there.

I believe that breastfeeding and giving my child a natural antibodies to fight sickness is nature's intention. I believe that my child can be exposed to certain germs and her body will develop its own antibodies, and thus she will have a natural immunity rather than an artificial one.

(5) Vaccines don't necessarily protect your child from the intended illness. The whooping cough vaccine is notoriously known for being very ineffective. As a child, I was vaccinated for whooping cough and guess what - I still got it, in grade 3. I was MISERABLY sick for weeks, but with the proper treatment (humidifiers, puffers, etc), I was fine. And not just in the child's case, but ANY vaccine has the potential to be ineffective (ie: the flu vaccine "attempts" to predict which strain of flu could be the bad one for the year...most of the time, you inject yourself with the vaccine for the WRONG strain.) I would rather be sniffly and sneezy for 10 days than inject myself with such chemicals and nonsense.

In conclusion, there is NO way to know what the accumulation of all these vaccines will do to a person. 36 injections before the age of 3? Injecting things into your baby's body that were NEVER meant to be in a human's body is just a deplorable thought to me. I don't know how anyone could honestly justify vaccinating, especially after doing the research.

I find that many people shun those who choose not to vaccinate. But the difference, is that those of us who do not vaccinate have DONE OUR RESEARCH. We have not blindly accepted that "doctor knows best" when doctor is paid by pharmaceutical companies to sell, sell, sell. It is not about protecting health anymore, it is about making money. I find that, those who do vaccinate, have done so without an hour's worth of study. They do not investigate deeper, go around what one doctor suggests, and truly do the research and find out what these vaccines are doing to this world.

And when those parents who vaccinated because of fear DO do their research, they quickly become defensive about their decision to vaccinate because they feel cognitive dissonance between their decision and the evidence. That creates a hostile person, because they have done something that contradicts what the evidence truly says.

For all of these reasons, and then some, I choose not to vaccinate. I could never justify doing that to my child, especially after knowing what those vaccines contain, and the VERY high unlikelihood my child will contract anything in this day and age. And if she does catch something? No big deal. Maybe she'll be sick, but her body will fight it and she will be all the stronger for it.

Parents who do not vaccinate are often attacked by parents who do vaccinate. Why is it any of your concern? Why would you be worried? If your child is "VACCINATED" then you should have no problem with those who don't vaccinate. After all, your child won't 'get sick', right? So you are SO concerned for the health of my child? That you are willing to tell me I'm a bad parent for not vaccinating? I'm not sorry to say it, but I feel if you vaccinate without having done research, you fit the category of bad parent. In this day and age, it is essential to research. It is essential to go around the big pharmaceutical companies and the highly paid doctors and go behind the front lines, to discover for yourself what is going on. Watch documentaries, read the clinical experiments, open some books and do some research. This is your child's life, after all.

Thank you for this. I completely agree with you 100%. We are not intending to vaccinate.

My response is the following:

From the moment a baby is born the following is done: A synthetic Vitamin K injection is given to the child, and antibiotics are put in their eyes, all to 'protect the child'. Any pregnant woman who eats lots of greens throughout her pregnancy and doesn't have any STD's will be just fine without either of these, however these 'precautions' are 'recommended'. Why would my baby bleed to death? A baby's immune system is so fragile at birth, not to mention the liver/kidney function doesn't begin to function after approximately 2 weeks after birth. The extremely high doses of both the synthetic Vitamin K and antibiotics are basically poisoning the child since it has no way to filter either out of the body. On top of that, synthetic vitamins (as most drugstore vitamins) are not absorbed by the body, which again, harms your baby and shuts down its immune system before its even fully developed. This is from day one of its life! This brings me to my next points:

Doctors/pharmaceutical companies/the government have been concocting viruses in the lab for many years. This pays off for all of them. To promote their product and to make more money, they get the CDC to 'suggest' that you and your child 'need' this or that vaccine or shot. They get doctors to scare the poor parent into what the parent thinks is 'protecting their child' from future illnesses, when in fact these vaccinations are a) ineffective b) costly and c) cause more illnesses for you to come back and spend more money on healthcare throughout your lifetime. I prefer to question everything than to trust doctors, because everyone works for someone else and doctors are incessantly paid to promote certain products and the CDC is just another instrument of the government as well. I live in the US btw so this may not apply to all countries.

Back to the baby's immune system: that is correct that 36 vaccines will be introduced into your baby's body by the time they are 3yo. Improving their chances of not being sick, say the doctors? More like impairing your baby for life. The flu shot is heavy commercialized here, and you can get one on every corner. Yet every person I know had one, and got the flu. IMO these vaccines do not guard your baby against contracting one of these illnesses, rather they weaken the baby's immune systems and block up their little bodies with disgusting additives that produce these 'new hype illnesses'. A body out of order is bound to get sick and be more susceptible to sickness/illness, thus the baby will be more, instead of less, susceptible to getting sick. The whole purpose of these vaccines is backwards: instead of being a safeguard against harmful illnesses, they are a ticket to and a catalyst for health issues in the future.

IMO, the best way to keep your babies safe is to trust knowledge, not doctors. Doctors are just another commercial brand.Research natural health and the truth about vaccines, because this is not an ideal world and people will lie to you for money, and they will risk your and your baby's health for money. Breastfeed, get lots of fresh air, exercise, eat fresh foods, and keep your and your baby's bodies clean and free of toxins and chemicals. This IMO is the best way to keep your baby healthy for life. If your child gets sick, this is only an opportunity for them to build up their immune. Don't run out to the drugstore and buy a bunch of chemicals to 'make your baby better' because of your own worry. Allow their systems to naturally process the illness as this will only make them stronger! Don't underestimate or forget how strong and capable our bodies are, especially that of children! We often mean well, but the best of our intentions/fears/worries only do harm.

With that said, doctors/chemicals/drugs should only be used in the worst of cases and dire emergencies.

That's my take on the situation lovelies!

I just emailed your post with the highlighted bits to my Mum, she's working nights as consultant cardiologist at a hospital here in Bristol...

This was her response:

LOL (is that how you say it darling?) I might as well go home and get some sleep then!

Sorry, not sure I understand the meaning behind your response. I'm not sure how it is where you are, but Americans run to the doctor if their child gets the darn hiccups or drools. Then they make sure to quickly stuff down some drugs. Drug use on adults and children is greatly overused here. I stand firmly by my opinion.

I think you are just out to offend now....glad you have that perception of americans...really uncalled for.

I am an American and Not offended by the comments. I guess some people are more sensitive. But I agree with the op that drugs are overly used/prescribed...there isn't much talk at your doctors office about prevention is there. Every time I am sick I always ask the doctor why it happened...he always looks stunned by my question...is wanting to know the cause of the illness that much of a crazy request?

That might be your opinion but surely you can't name one person who has taken their baby to the dr over hiccups??? That is just being insultive...yes...but then again that's simply "IMO"

Yes, I do know somebody. I've also seen people do worse. I'm sorry if this offended you, this was not my intent. The over-medicating here is no secret, however.

 

[JleStar]

I am choosing to keep my LO vaccine free for a number of reasons.

(1) Vaccines include a lot more than just the "virus" they are trying to prevent. Vaccines need to have a lot of other additives in them to be injectable into the body. Primarily, the biggest turn offs are mercury (thimerasol), aluminum, formaldehyde, biological ingredients such as aborted fetal cells, chick embryo cells, aborted calf cells, oil-based adjuvants, peanut oils, preservatives, and more (and worse).

Each vaccine contains most, if not all, of those ingredients (plus more I didn't list). Keep in mind that the average child will be injected with 36 vaccines before the age of 3. Each time you give your child a vaccine, you inject more mercury, more aluminum, more formaldehyde, more chemicals, more aborted cells, etc, into your LO's bloodstream.

The human body is not made to expel these ingredients easily. Mercury and aluminum can build up in the body, causing a lot of health issues and a lot of side effects. For example, the peanut oils in the vaccines cannot be easily broken down by the body. Thus, the body develops an intolerance to them and - ding ding - you get peanut allergies (ever wonder why the sudden increase in peanut allergies???)

Vaccine ingredients are absolutely terrifying. You can read more in depth about these ingredients here:
https://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/what-is-coming-through-that-needle/

(2) My second reason for not vaccinating my child is that the childhood illnesses they are attempting to prevent are NOT commonplace anymore. And it was not vaccinations that made these illnesses decrease to the extent they have - it was the improvement of living conditions - running water, waste management systems, better healthcare, increased hygiene, etc. If you had any idea the squalor people lived in back when these illnesses were rampant, the living conditions of today are 100x better. We don't go poop in a bucket in our house and then toss the bucket onto the muddy street, where it runs down a makeshift sewer and infects the local butcher's shop....Medical care for illnesses was very primitive - they didn't understand coughing on people spread illness, or what germs were.

(3) Even if my child contracted an illness, chances are it would run its course as "childhood illnesses" do, and if she ended up getting more sick than usual, medical technology of today can cure it up pretty darn well.

(4) I believe in evolution, I believe in nature, I believe that, for the human species to have survived as well as it has, our immune systems must be pretty tough. ESPECIALLY to make it through hundreds of thousands of years of dismal living conditions, and dismal medical treatments. Obviously our bodies can handle a sickness here or there.

I believe that breastfeeding and giving my child a natural antibodies to fight sickness is nature's intention. I believe that my child can be exposed to certain germs and her body will develop its own antibodies, and thus she will have a natural immunity rather than an artificial one.

(5) Vaccines don't necessarily protect your child from the intended illness. The whooping cough vaccine is notoriously known for being very ineffective. As a child, I was vaccinated for whooping cough and guess what - I still got it, in grade 3. I was MISERABLY sick for weeks, but with the proper treatment (humidifiers, puffers, etc), I was fine. And not just in the child's case, but ANY vaccine has the potential to be ineffective (ie: the flu vaccine "attempts" to predict which strain of flu could be the bad one for the year...most of the time, you inject yourself with the vaccine for the WRONG strain.) I would rather be sniffly and sneezy for 10 days than inject myself with such chemicals and nonsense.

In conclusion, there is NO way to know what the accumulation of all these vaccines will do to a person. 36 injections before the age of 3? Injecting things into your baby's body that were NEVER meant to be in a human's body is just a deplorable thought to me. I don't know how anyone could honestly justify vaccinating, especially after doing the research.

I find that many people shun those who choose not to vaccinate. But the difference, is that those of us who do not vaccinate have DONE OUR RESEARCH. We have not blindly accepted that "doctor knows best" when doctor is paid by pharmaceutical companies to sell, sell, sell. It is not about protecting health anymore, it is about making money. I find that, those who do vaccinate, have done so without an hour's worth of study. They do not investigate deeper, go around what one doctor suggests, and truly do the research and find out what these vaccines are doing to this world.

And when those parents who vaccinated because of fear DO do their research, they quickly become defensive about their decision to vaccinate because they feel cognitive dissonance between their decision and the evidence. That creates a hostile person, because they have done something that contradicts what the evidence truly says.

For all of these reasons, and then some, I choose not to vaccinate. I could never justify doing that to my child, especially after knowing what those vaccines contain, and the VERY high unlikelihood my child will contract anything in this day and age. And if she does catch something? No big deal. Maybe she'll be sick, but her body will fight it and she will be all the stronger for it.

Parents who do not vaccinate are often attacked by parents who do vaccinate. Why is it any of your concern? Why would you be worried? If your child is "VACCINATED" then you should have no problem with those who don't vaccinate. After all, your child won't 'get sick', right? So you are SO concerned for the health of my child? That you are willing to tell me I'm a bad parent for not vaccinating? I'm not sorry to say it, but I feel if you vaccinate without having done research, you fit the category of bad parent. In this day and age, it is essential to research. It is essential to go around the big pharmaceutical companies and the highly paid doctors and go behind the front lines, to discover for yourself what is going on. Watch documentaries, read the clinical experiments, open some books and do some research. This is your child's life, after all.

Thank you for this. I completely agree with you 100%. We are not intending to vaccinate.

My response is the following:

From the moment a baby is born the following is done: A synthetic Vitamin K injection is given to the child, and antibiotics are put in their eyes, all to 'protect the child'. Any pregnant woman who eats lots of greens throughout her pregnancy and doesn't have any STD's will be just fine without either of these, however these 'precautions' are 'recommended'. Why would my baby bleed to death? A baby's immune system is so fragile at birth, not to mention the liver/kidney function doesn't begin to function after approximately 2 weeks after birth. The extremely high doses of both the synthetic Vitamin K and antibiotics are basically poisoning the child since it has no way to filter either out of the body. On top of that, synthetic vitamins (as most drugstore vitamins) are not absorbed by the body, which again, harms your baby and shuts down its immune system before its even fully developed. This is from day one of its life! This brings me to my next points:

Doctors/pharmaceutical companies/the government have been concocting viruses in the lab for many years. This pays off for all of them. To promote their product and to make more money, they get the CDC to 'suggest' that you and your child 'need' this or that vaccine or shot. They get doctors to scare the poor parent into what the parent thinks is 'protecting their child' from future illnesses, when in fact these vaccinations are a) ineffective b) costly and c) cause more illnesses for you to come back and spend more money on healthcare throughout your lifetime. I prefer to question everything than to trust doctors, because everyone works for someone else and doctors are incessantly paid to promote certain products and the CDC is just another instrument of the government as well. I live in the US btw so this may not apply to all countries.

Back to the baby's immune system: that is correct that 36 vaccines will be introduced into your baby's body by the time they are 3yo. Improving their chances of not being sick, say the doctors? More like impairing your baby for life. The flu shot is heavy commercialized here, and you can get one on every corner. Yet every person I know had one, and got the flu. IMO these vaccines do not guard your baby against contracting one of these illnesses, rather they weaken the baby's immune systems and block up their little bodies with disgusting additives that produce these 'new hype illnesses'. A body out of order is bound to get sick and be more susceptible to sickness/illness, thus the baby will be more, instead of less, susceptible to getting sick. The whole purpose of these vaccines is backwards: instead of being a safeguard against harmful illnesses, they are a ticket to and a catalyst for health issues in the future.

IMO, the best way to keep your babies safe is to trust knowledge, not doctors. Doctors are just another commercial brand.Research natural health and the truth about vaccines, because this is not an ideal world and people will lie to you for money, and they will risk your and your baby's health for money. Breastfeed, get lots of fresh air, exercise, eat fresh foods, and keep your and your baby's bodies clean and free of toxins and chemicals. This IMO is the best way to keep your baby healthy for life. If your child gets sick, this is only an opportunity for them to build up their immune. Don't run out to the drugstore and buy a bunch of chemicals to 'make your baby better' because of your own worry. Allow their systems to naturally process the illness as this will only make them stronger! Don't underestimate or forget how strong and capable our bodies are, especially that of children! We often mean well, but the best of our intentions/fears/worries only do harm.

With that said, doctors/chemicals/drugs should only be used in the worst of cases and dire emergencies.

That's my take on the situation lovelies!

I just emailed your post with the highlighted bits to my Mum, she's working nights as consultant cardiologist at a hospital here in Bristol...

This was her response:

LOL (is that how you say it darling?) I might as well go home and get some sleep then!

Sorry, not sure I understand the meaning behind your response. I'm not sure how it is where you are, but Americans run to the doctor if their child gets the darn hiccups or drools. Then they make sure to quickly stuff down some drugs. Drug use on adults and children is greatly overused here. I stand firmly by my opinion.

I think you are just out to offend now....glad you have that perception of americans...really uncalled for.

I am an American and Not offended by the comments. I guess some people are more sensitive. But I agree with the op that drugs are overly used/prescribed...there isn't much talk at your doctors office about prevention is there. Every time I am sick I always ask the doctor why it happened...he always looks stunned by my question...is wanting to know the cause of the illness that much of a crazy request?

That might be your opinion but surely you can't name one person who has taken their baby to the dr over hiccups??? That is just being insultive...yes...but then again that's simply "IMO"

Ok cool..you made your point. The op had wonderful incite and information about vaccines and this is what is nit picked out of it. I understand you were offended. She apologized so I think it is good to move on now to the topic at hand if there is anything you would like to add.

 

[Larkspur]

One thing to consider is that the shot initially causes psycho-emotional damage. Giving this shot to a baby overwhelms their sensory nervous system and gives your baby much unneeded distress. Many studies have already concluded that not only does a baby feel pain but they will store and remember it in a different way adults do, and this will affect them in the future. This is an unnecessary infliction of pain to your baby.

This is pretty much straight from that Dr Mercola article, right?

My baby had his Vitamin K shot. He did not even notice. Literally did not make a sound. This sort of thing is just unnecessary scaremongering. A lot more traumatising things happen to a baby in the 24 hours surrounding its birth. Getting born, for example.

 

[overcomer79]

well if you knew someone that took a baby to the dr over hiccups ...that person is an idiot. That honestly sounds like something my 3 yr old would ask.

Edit: seriously why bother?

 

[Anjali]

One thing to consider is that the shot initially causes psycho-emotional damage. Giving this shot to a baby overwhelms their sensory nervous system and gives your baby much unneeded distress. Many studies have already concluded that not only does a baby feel pain but they will store and remember it in a different way adults do, and this will affect them in the future. This is an unnecessary infliction of pain to your baby.

This is pretty much straight from that Dr Mercola article, right?

My baby had his Vitamin K shot. He did not even notice. Literally did not make a sound. This sort of thing is just unnecessary scaremongering. A lot more traumatising things happen to a baby in the 24 hours surrounding its birth. Getting born, for example.

Who? I read this stuff ages ago when a friend of mine was asking me about the first things administered right after birth. Who knows, may have been one of the things I read. I read a lot of different sources to try to be less biased. Even though I do get iffy about 'studies' too because even studies can be faulty, etc.

Of course the birth is traumatizing! That's why you don't want to jab a baby with a needle right after. Not all of us are screamers (oops gutter brain in full mode ).

Anyway, I'm gonna stop now. I was hoping to provide some insight. If it helped anyone, I'm glad. If it p*ssed some of you off, that wasn't my intent. I'm sure that whatever decisions you all make will be made with love.

 

[marron]

Sorry, not sure I understand the meaning behind your response. I'm not sure how it is where you are, but Americans run to the doctor if their child gets the darn hiccups or drools. Then they make sure to quickly stuff down some drugs. Drug use on adults and children is greatly overused here. I stand firmly by my opinion.

I am American and my son has been to the doctor twice in his life. Way to overgeneralize.

 

[marron]

I am an American and Not offended by the comments. I guess some people are more sensitive. But I agree with the op that drugs are overly used/prescribed...there isn't much talk at your doctors office about prevention is there. Every time I am sick I always ask the doctor why it happened...he always looks stunned by my question...is wanting to know the cause of the illness that much of a crazy request?

Maybe you need some new doctors then, because any doctor I've seen has always made a point of telling me the cause of whatever ailment and how to prevent it in the future. They're not all a bunch of money grubbing drug pushers you know.

 

[JleStar]

I am an American and Not offended by the comments. I guess some people are more sensitive. But I agree with the op that drugs are overly used/prescribed...there isn't much talk at your doctors office about prevention is there. Every time I am sick I always ask the doctor why it happened...he always looks stunned by my question...is wanting to know the cause of the illness that much of a crazy request?

Maybe you need some new doctors then, because any doctor I've seen has always made a point of telling me the cause of whatever ailment and how to prevent it in the future. They're not all a bunch of money grubbing drug pushers you know.

I never said they were Marron. How's life in the oc?

 

[Randianne]

Sorry, not sure I understand the meaning behind your response. I'm not sure how it is where you are, but Americans run to the doctor if their child gets the darn hiccups or drools. Then they make sure to quickly stuff down some drugs. Drug use on adults and children is greatly overused here. I stand firmly by my opinion.

You do realize we live in a country where people with cancer don't get treatment because they don't have insurance? I assure you the ones who run to the doctor for everything are the minority. There are millions of uninsured who don't go to the doctor at all.

 

[JleStar]

She apologized what's the topic of this thread again?

 

[Larkspur]

You do realize we live in a country where people with cancer don't get treatment because they don't have insurance? I assure you the ones who run to the doctor for everything are the minority. There are millions of uninsured who don't go to the doctor at all.

That is some real talk right there.

Also, is vaccination free for people who are uninsured in the States? If not, that would be another category of people who may concerned about their children not being able to be immunised, as per a previous poster's question about why people would care if others choose not to vaccinate.

 

[JleStar]

breastfeeding is not the be all and end all, it's also not magical protection against diseases, it's really not.

Hey Hun..and some would say the Same about vaccines.

I think breastfeeding is a natural preventative measure to boast the immune system against diseases. What are other preventative measures to take if you do not vaccinate?

Maybe vitamins, probiotics, hygiene, healthy eating (organic non-gmo foods), getting sunshine.

 

[JleStar]

You do realize we live in a country where people with cancer don't get treatment because they don't have insurance? I assure you the ones who run to the doctor for everything are the minority. There are millions of uninsured who don't go to the doctor at all.

That is some real talk right there.

Also, is vaccination free for people who are uninsured in the States? If not, that would be another category of people who may concerned about their children not being able to be immunised, as per a previous poster's question about why people would care if others choose not to vaccinate.

I believe all children can get their vaccines one way or another.

 

[JleStar]

Sorry, not sure I understand the meaning behind your response. I'm not sure how it is where you are, but Americans run to the doctor if their child gets the darn hiccups or drools. Then they make sure to quickly stuff down some drugs. Drug use on adults and children is greatly overused here. I stand firmly by my opinion.

You do realize we live in a country where people with cancer don't get treatment because they don't have insurance? I assure you the ones who run to the doctor for everything are the minority. There are millions of uninsured who don't go to the doctor at all.

Even worst then that is people with insurance not getting treatment for cancer because insurance won't cover it.

 

[Randianne]

You do realize we live in a country where people with cancer don't get treatment because they don't have insurance? I assure you the ones who run to the doctor for everything are the minority. There are millions of uninsured who don't go to the doctor at all.

That is some real talk right there.

Also, is vaccination free for people who are uninsured in the States? If not, that would be another category of people who may concerned about their children not being able to be immunised, as per a previous poster's question about why people would care if others choose not to vaccinate.

They're not free, but the government subsidizes them. Here it's $25 per vaccine visit at the health department, but you MUST use the standard schedule. I don't know if that's a nationwide program, though. I honestly don't know how people afford them if they don't. Our Ped charges our insurance $150 per vaccine and an additional $35 per vaccine to give them. It's insane

 

[Larkspur]

They're not free, but the government subsidizes them. Here it's $25 per vaccine visit at the health department, but you MUST use the standard schedule. I don't know if that's a nationwide program, though. I honestly don't know how people afford them if they don't. Our Ped charges our insurance $150 per vaccine and an additional $35 per vaccine to give them. It's insane

Right, so you make an appointment with the doctor and pay the bill and your insurance company reimburses you? Or you don't pay but you do some paperwork at the doctor's office and then they either follow up with the insurance company or the government if you don't have insurance? Or if you don't have insurance, do you go to an A&E or a free clinic and wait or something?

Here in NZ you just make your appointment and the nurse administers the shots. At my clinic, because I'm registered, there's no cost, no paperwork, but I think if you're not registered there's a low cost per visit (maybe $10-30 per visit, and you would need about six visits for the full schedule).

 

[zombiedaisy]

We choose to vaccinate. I've researched it extensively on my own and as well during nursing school. We vaccinate for everything but chicken pox. I'd rather let the chicken pox run its course. The way I see it, the disease that your being vaccinated for is more dangerous than the vaccine, so I'd rather my child have the vaccine. Just my own personal opinion.