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[Ozzieshunni]

Seems they delete negative posts. There are some major gaps in the comments sections.

 

[Staceysparkle]

This makes me feel sick I would love to get my hands on them

 

[Rolly]

Havint spoken to people that use these methods its weird as they all claim not to hit their children and say its taken out of context. from what you all see here its clearly not and it is abuse. Lashing babies with whips is a long way away from a smack on the hand. I dont agree with either but this takes the biscuit. I feel for the Pearls children. Last I heard they have nothing to do with them.

 

[Lellow]

Bunch of mentalists...Im sure not any real Christian would condone this kinda discipline.

 

[Rolly]

I did see this, its a reply from Debi Pearl to clarity what they do.

“Please give examples of the kinds of things for which you used the rod, both as a training tool and as punishment, for children were under 12 months.”
We never used the rod to punish a child younger than 12 months. You should read No Greater Joy Volume One and Volume Two. We discussed this subject several times in those two books. For young children, especially during the first year, the rod is used very lightly as a training tool. You use something small and light to get the child’s attention and to reinforce your command. One or two light licks on the bare legs or arms will cause a child to stop in his tracks and regard your commands. A 12-inch piece of weed eater chord works well as a beginner rod. It will fit in your purse or pocket.
Later, a plumber's supply line is a good spanking tool. You can get it at Wal-Mart or any hardware store. Ask for a plastic, ¼ inch, supply line. They come in different lengths and several colors; so you can have a designer rod to your own taste. They sell for less than $1.00. A baby needs to be trained all day, everyday. It should be a cheerful, directing training, not a correction training. If a 10-month-old plays in the dirt in the flowerpot, a simple swat to the hand accompanied with the command “No,” said in a cheerful but authoritative voice, should be sufficient.
When your 6-month-old baby grabs sister’s hair, while he still has a hand full of hair, swat his hand or arm and say “No, that hurts sister.” If he has already let go of her hair, then put his hand back on her hair, so as to engage his mind in the former action, and then carry on with the hand swatting and the command. If you found your baby trying to stick something in the electrical receptacle, keep his hand on the object and near the receptacle while giving him a few swats on the back of the offending hand, and this to the sound of your rebuke—“No, don't touch, No, don't touch.” This time he needs to cry and be upset.
If your 10-month-old is pitching a fit because he wants to be picked up, then you must reinforce your command with a few stinging swats. You are not punishing him; you are causing him to associate his negative behavior with negative consequences. Never reward bad behavior with indifference. Tell the baby “No” and give him a swat. If your response is new, he may be offended and scream louder. But continue your normal activities as if you are unaffected. Wait one minute, and then tell the baby to stop crying. If he doesn’t, again swat him on his bare legs. You don’t need to undress him, turn him over, or make a big deal out of it. Just swat him where any skin is exposed. Continue to act as if you don’t notice the fit. Wait two minutes and repeat. Continue until the baby realizes that this is getting worse not better. Most babies will keep it going for 3 or 4 times and then slide to a sitting position and sob it out. When this happens, it signals a surrender, so give him two minutes to get control and then swoop him up as if the fit never happen and give him a big hug, BUT don't hold him in the manner he was demanding. Now remove yourself from the area so as to remove him from association with the past event.
Don’t ever hit a small child with your hand. You are too big and the baby is too small. The surface of the skin is where the most nerves are located and where it is easiest to cause pain without any damage to the child. The weight of your hand does little to sting the skin, but can cause bruising or serious damage internally. Babies need training but they do not need to be punished. Never react in anger or frustration. If you loose it, get your self under control before you attempt to discipline a child.


This was taken from facebook page "the mum informed".

 

[kmac625]

Seems they delete negative posts. There are some major gaps in the comments sections.

I was just thinking the same thing. If they felt confident that what they were doing is good then they should be able to handle the criticism/negative comments instead of just deleting them.

 

[MamaBelle]

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[kmac625]

I did see this, its a reply from Debi Pearl to clarity what they do.

“Please give examples of the kinds of things for which you used the rod, both as a training tool and as punishment, for children were under 12 months.”
We never used the rod to punish a child younger than 12 months. You should read No Greater Joy Volume One and Volume Two. We discussed this subject several times in those two books. For young children, especially during the first year, the rod is used very lightly as a training tool. You use something small and light to get the child’s attention and to reinforce your command. One or two light licks on the bare legs or arms will cause a child to stop in his tracks and regard your commands. A 12-inch piece of weed eater chord works well as a beginner rod. It will fit in your purse or pocket.
Later, a plumber's supply line is a good spanking tool. You can get it at Wal-Mart or any hardware store. Ask for a plastic, ¼ inch, supply line. They come in different lengths and several colors; so you can have a designer rod to your own taste. They sell for less than $1.00. A baby needs to be trained all day, everyday. It should be a cheerful, directing training, not a correction training. If a 10-month-old plays in the dirt in the flowerpot, a simple swat to the hand accompanied with the command “No,” said in a cheerful but authoritative voice, should be sufficient.
When your 6-month-old baby grabs sister’s hair, while he still has a hand full of hair, swat his hand or arm and say “No, that hurts sister.” If he has already let go of her hair, then put his hand back on her hair, so as to engage his mind in the former action, and then carry on with the hand swatting and the command. If you found your baby trying to stick something in the electrical receptacle, keep his hand on the object and near the receptacle while giving him a few swats on the back of the offending hand, and this to the sound of your rebuke—“No, don't touch, No, don't touch.” This time he needs to cry and be upset.
If your 10-month-old is pitching a fit because he wants to be picked up, then you must reinforce your command with a few stinging swats. You are not punishing him; you are causing him to associate his negative behavior with negative consequences. Never reward bad behavior with indifference. Tell the baby “No” and give him a swat. If your response is new, he may be offended and scream louder. But continue your normal activities as if you are unaffected. Wait one minute, and then tell the baby to stop crying. If he doesn’t, again swat him on his bare legs. You don’t need to undress him, turn him over, or make a big deal out of it. Just swat him where any skin is exposed. Continue to act as if you don’t notice the fit. Wait two minutes and repeat. Continue until the baby realizes that this is getting worse not better. Most babies will keep it going for 3 or 4 times and then slide to a sitting position and sob it out. When this happens, it signals a surrender, so give him two minutes to get control and then swoop him up as if the fit never happen and give him a big hug, BUT don't hold him in the manner he was demanding. Now remove yourself from the area so as to remove him from association with the past event.
Don’t ever hit a small child with your hand. You are too big and the baby is too small. The surface of the skin is where the most nerves are located and where it is easiest to cause pain without any damage to the child. The weight of your hand does little to sting the skin, but can cause bruising or serious damage internally. Babies need training but they do not need to be punished. Never react in anger or frustration. If you loose it, get your self under control before you attempt to discipline a child.


This was taken from facebook page "the mum informed".

It's great that they just want to inflict pain but not leave marks or cause internal damage.

 

[Mum2b_Claire]

'a designer rod to suit your own tastes'.

There truly are no words....

 

[Sarah&Ady]

Humf.... I had to like the group to leave a comment so I did.. they deleted my comment and so I unliked. Seems they dont want any awkward questions!

 

[blinkybaby]

OMG is this for real???? These people are F*CKED UP!!!!

 

[Lightworker]

Truly, this is just an example of the fact that sometimes parents have too much freedom to do what they want. A book that teaches people how to abuse (because quite frankly thats what it is) their children?

I cannot understand how it is legal to publish such a book. In this era of all these rights and freedoms, this kind of thing is an example of why some restrictions should be in place. Children are the most vulnerable members of society, but somehow it is ok to publish a book that systematically violates them.

I don't like the fact that it is related to Christianity because nothing mentioned comes close to being what God wanted for children.

Having said that, I don't think any amount of disgust or indignation would change things because such things appear to be ingrained in people so deep that they wouldn't be swayed by public opinion.

Smacking, just needs to be outlawed everywhere. It is such a shame. I read the part where the dad says, I smacked him, and he understood and crawled away, honestly? saying it so smugly like he has succeeded. The only thing he has succeeded in is destroying any semblance of a relationship with his child.

Angrifying.

 

[Lightworker]

I went onto the website and I'm sure they are just insane.

On one page they advise co-sleeping, extended breastfeeding etc. loving homes etc. and then on another page they advise hair pulling, swatting, spanking etc. One woman was told to give her 6 year old "a good spanking" for stealing sweets and banning sweets for a year!!!! Seriously?

It is a huge contradiction in parenting styles, but I am afraid this sort of thing is common in alot of societies. Some societies that seem to do alot of the attachment type parenting when the children are infants, will then go to the other extreme and engage in corporal and other equally harmful punishment. You almost ask yourself, "so what was the point of the co-sleeping and breastfeeding if all you were going to do was then sever that relationship via beatings?"

I did have this friend that would smack her LOs hand if she pulled hair (LO was 6 months) or some such thing, yet she was a BFing, co-sleeper, and other than that appeared to be very loving. It is such a contradictory parenting style. I think it just shows people don't really understand children.

 

[hb1]

I don't even understand how they are allowed to sell books - surely this is inciting child abuse?

hx

 

[zanDark]

I've been trying to have a baby for 17 months and these people whip their babies to make them "surrender" and "obey" ?!?!

I'd like to whip their ass and tie that mothers tubes those people don't deserve to be parents...I hope their children grow up and beat the crap out of them

 

[shambaby]

how does it make sense to spend goodness knows how long 'swatting' a baby because he wants to be picked up, then - when he has given up on asking for any kind of affection and probably decided he doensn't want to be picked up by you any more - pick him up and give him a hug?

it's been said already, but there truly are no words.

 

[Nathyrra]

How the fekk do they get published for this trite?

I must be a lazy mum then according to their logic. I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

x

 

[aragornlover8]

Truly, this is just an example of the fact that sometimes parents have too much freedom to do what they want. A book that teaches people how to abuse (because quite frankly thats what it is) their children?

I cannot understand how it is legal to publish such a book. In this era of all these rights and freedoms, this kind of thing is an example of why some restrictions should be in place. Children are the most vulnerable members of society, but somehow it is ok to publish a book that systematically violates them.

I don't like the fact that it is related to Christianity because nothing mentioned comes close to being what God wanted for children.

Having said that, I don't think any amount of disgust or indignation would change things because such things appear to be ingrained in people so deep that they wouldn't be swayed by public opinion.

Smacking, just needs to be outlawed everywhere. It is such a shame. I read the part where the dad says, I smacked him, and he understood and crawled away, honestly? saying it so smugly like he has succeeded. The only thing he has succeeded in is destroying any semblance of a relationship with his child.

Angrifying.

I almost wonder if there are laws against this. You have rights as long as they do not interfere with other peoples' rights. Surely one could argue in a court of law that the rights of one of the most vulnerable populations could be violated if one were to follow the principles outlined in their books.

I'm just wondering if anyone has even tried that avenue...

 

[aragornlover8]

Just to add, the interview they showed on Anderson Cooper 360 was one of the most frustrating things to watch. They demonstrated one of their spanking "techniques" to the reporter by hitting him on the leg repeatedly with a switch. Then they said "Did that hurt?" and the guy said "Yeah, I'm almost 50 and that still hurt..." and Pearl responded "Did it leave any marks?"

As if whether or not it left any marks was the indicator of abuse. The idea that it's okay to hurt your children as long as there's no proof really infuriates me.