I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
I'm sorry, but at work I spend most my day being hit, spat at, sworn at, kicked and I have NEVER hit a patient. All this kid did was have a tantrum and knock something off a shelf. If I hit someone at work, I would be struck off and would never be able to work in my profession again. And I would deserve it! When your at work, you are a professional, regardless of what kid of job is it. You hold your tongue and your temper and if not, you lose your job. End of.
I was smacked as a child and I didnt 'respect' my parents. I feared them. So much so, if I ever did anything wrong, I'd go out of my way to cover it up, usually ending up in a bigger mess and that was all because I was afraid to tell my parents anything. I didnt even tell my parents I was pregnant until I was 11 weeks coz I was scared of their reaction, I'm 22 and have lived with my OH for years! I won't ever do that to my child. A tap if they put themself in danger, maybe. But a smack to 'teach them a lesson' never.
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
I'm sorry, but at work I spend most my day being hit, spat at, sworn at, kicked and I have NEVER hit a patient. All this kid did was have a tantrum and knock something off a shelf. If I hit someone at work, I would be struck off and would never be able to work in my profession again. And I would deserve it! When your at work, you are a professional, regardless of what kid of job is it. You hold your tongue and your temper and if not, you lose your job. End of.
I was smacked as a child and I didnt 'respect' my parents. I feared them. So much so, if I ever did anything wrong, I'd go out of my way to cover it up, usually ending up in a bigger mess and that was all because I was afraid to tell my parents anything. I didnt even tell my parents I was pregnant until I was 11 weeks coz I was scared of their reaction, I'm 22 and have lived with my OH for years! I won't ever do that to my child. A tap if they put themself in danger, maybe. But a smack to 'teach them a lesson' never.
I think maybe in this case your idea of a smack is different to mine. I think I can count on one hand the number of times we were smacked and they left a mark, hell I can only think of one time where a mark was left. Maybe my 'smack' is your tap.
Anything that results in bruising is wrong and it should't, in my mind, be a regular thing but a last resort. Hence me not seeing it being an issue as that was what it was like for us growing up. We were never made to fear our parents due to the way we were chastised.
But some kids push and push and wont listen. If my child keeps trying to touch the hot stove and no or time outs dont work, a smack on the hand will be the final resort. i would rather that that a badly burnt hand.
As for the comments about adults, it doesnt compare. An adult knows they are doing wrong when causing damage so its unlikely they would be hit as as someone has said earlier the police would be called and they would be dealt with in that way.
I am not condoning someone hitting someone else's child, i just think there is more to the story than is being reported and I think that in a lot of cases kids get away with murder as parents dont see what their little darlings are up to. Someone has already stated no-one has the right to even tell their child off! Well if they won't tell them off for unacceptable behaviour then someone needs to - thats why we have the problems we have now!
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
If she had of done it to an adult, it would have been assault and she would have. Why is it any different because its a child?
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
Sorry, don't agree. She should of at the very least be suspended and her job reviewed. Don't wanna lose your livelihood? Don't hit other peoples kids.
If she knew that before she did it, sure, but she's 50+, growing up and probably raising children in an era when smacking a child on the bottom for misbehaving wasn't that big of a deal. I grew up like that, if we were getting in the way during a get together, any adult can grab us to stop us or tell us off, not just our parents, and it wouldn't be a big deal.
I get where you're coming from and I do think it's likely the sales clerk meant no harm. But, there are a lot of things that were common practices when she grew up that are no longer acceptable now. She doesn't get a free pass because she's elderly.
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
Sorry, don't agree. She should of at the very least be suspended and her job reviewed. Don't wanna lose your livelihood? Don't hit other peoples kids.
If she knew that before she did it, sure, but she's 50+, growing up and probably raising children in an era when smacking a child on the bottom for misbehaving wasn't that big of a deal. I grew up like that, if we were getting in the way during a get together, any adult can grab us to stop us or tell us off, not just our parents, and it wouldn't be a big deal.
I get where you're coming from and I do think it's likely the sales clerk meant no harm. But, there are a lot of things that were common practices when she grew up that are no longer acceptable now. She doesn't get a free pass because she's elderly.
I do think being older should give her some conderations (hitting an elderly is no better than hitting a child), but it's more that she might not have thought she was doing something wrong and the situation doesn't warrant taking away her livelihood.
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
If she had of done it to an adult, it would have been assault and she would have. Why is it any different because its a child?
As I said, if an adult throws a tantrum in the shop, run around and smash stuff, I doubt anyone would think twice about her stepping in to stop that person, including using physical force, do you disagree? Do you believe adults can act like a child in public without consequences? So I believe it would not be classed as assault if that was an adult causing a commotion, and she might have come off as the hero instead.
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
I'm sorry, but at work I spend most my day being hit, spat at, sworn at, kicked and I have NEVER hit a patient. All this kid did was have a tantrum and knock something off a shelf. If I hit someone at work, I would be struck off and would never be able to work in my profession again. And I would deserve it! When your at work, you are a professional, regardless of what kid of job is it. You hold your tongue and your temper and if not, you lose your job. End of.
I was smacked as a child and I didnt 'respect' my parents. I feared them. So much so, if I ever did anything wrong, I'd go out of my way to cover it up, usually ending up in a bigger mess and that was all because I was afraid to tell my parents anything. I didnt even tell my parents I was pregnant until I was 11 weeks coz I was scared of their reaction, I'm 22 and have lived with my OH for years! I won't ever do that to my child. A tap if they put themself in danger, maybe. But a smack to 'teach them a lesson' never.
I think it's wrong of the shop assistance but she's in her 50's and used to a different convention. It's easy to talk about sacking someone, but as a manager, I know it's not that easy. Sometimes the worker really needs the job and we just try to placate the customers - although he could have done it better, I would acknowledge the seriousness, apologise and offer her a discount or something, not make light of it.
But I can't imagine that sales clerks smacking kids was condoned in her time either. Brat or not, old or not, she had NO right laying a hand on that child. I work in retail management too and in my LOB that kind of offense would be an instant termination. You don't put your company at risk like that.
I can easily imagine it being done in her time. To me, the image of a 50 year old lady smacking a toddler lightly on the bottom for misbehaving isn't that serious an offense - it doesn't hurt the toddler physically. I would be angry if it was my child because me and my husband has a no corporal punishment philosophy, but if this was an old family friend, I wouldn't even say anything to her directly, and if it was a stranger like in this case, I would tell her off but I wouldn't think about hitting her or getting her sacked.
If the manager managed to placate the mother after she came back, there would be no risk to the company, but the manager handled the situation poorly.
Are you serious? If a shop assistant smacked an adult for messing up a display they'd be sacked. No questions. Why would it be different for a child? If I tapped a child on the bum in my job I'd be struck off!
Children and adults are different, so the analogy doesn't work. If an adult comes into a shop and start running around knocking things off, they would be asked to leave, have the security booted them out, or be arrested. I doubt people would think twice about the security guard putting his hands on that adult to stop that adult.
If it's just a casual job to you, sure it's no big deal to fire you, but how do you know it's not a livelihood for this lady? To me, her offense is not serious enough to deprive her of her livelihood, that's just mean, when she wasn't doing it out of bad intention.
If she had of done it to an adult, it would have been assault and she would have. Why is it any different because its a child?
As I said, if an adult throws a tantrum in the shop, run around and smash stuff, I doubt anyone would think twice about her stepping in to stop that person, including using physical force, do you disagree? Do you believe adults can act like a child in public without consequences? So I believe it would not be classed as assault if that was an adult causing a commotion, and she might have come off as the hero instead.
It's not apples to apples. If an adult was running around and being distructive, I would hope that someone would step in to stop the person using as little force as possible. With a child, no force needs to be used since an adult is larger and stronger than the child.
I WOULD DESERVE IT AND GO HAPPILY ON MY WAY TO JAIL..
