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My daughter has autism too. It can be very difficult can't it? I guess we have one thing in common. :)

yes it can be difficult babes and that why i tap samsam as if i dont he will stand there and headbut the wall over and over and over until he hurts himself really bad :cry: now that is the only reason i tap samsam as its stops him from doing it :thumbup:
 
Again...WHERE does it say what you have so rudely accused me of???

Giving the IMPRESSION is not saying it, nor impy it.

I still do not understand the purpose of it. That is an OPINION. You all have been so rude to me, espesially you. I am sorry if I do not agree with what you are saying, but that is your problem, not mine. You can't expect everyone to agree with it. But you don't have to bully, belittle, and call me names.

I haven't accused you of anything. I said you gave an impression about your opinion. If that's not how you feel that's fine and you've said that it's not but you asked me how we had got the impression you felt that way so I responded with how.

I have no problem with you not understanding why except that you keep on asking and I at least have already explained why so on that note we are at a stalemate. i have no problem with you not agreeing with me either but this is a debate isn't it so we voice our different sides of it.

Perhaps now you could to explain to me where I've called you names, bullied and belittled you? I haven't asked you to justify your side of the debate, I haven't said anything negative about your choice to not use any sort of tapping or otherwise. I certainly haven't called you any names. In fact I am pretty sure I've never called anyone names on here, it's not something that I do.
 
My daughter has autism too. It can be very difficult can't it? I guess we have one thing in common. :)

yes it can be difficult babes and that why i tap samsam as if i dont he will stand there and headbut the wall over and over and over until he hurts himself really bad :cry: now that is the only reason i tap samsam as its stops him from doing it :thumbup:

How old is he hon? Has he had any occupational therapy? They can really help with stuff like that.
 
Theres actually a book out that describes how to whip your children from 4 month sold into submission. I seen it on a facebook group posted and I was horrified at abstracts from it! thats a book that needs banned and I know everyone can agree with me on that. I will have a look for it as i cannot remember the name of it.

:shock:

https://awfullibrarybooks.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/train-up-your-child/
there it is. This book disturbed me what was wrote about it. Now thats child abuse!
 
My daughter has autism too. It can be very difficult can't it? I guess we have one thing in common. :)

yes it can be difficult babes and that why i tap samsam as if i dont he will stand there and headbut the wall over and over and over until he hurts himself really bad :cry: now that is the only reason i tap samsam as its stops him from doing it :thumbup:

How old is he hon? Has he had any occupational therapy? They can really help with stuff like that.

he is 3 this month and we go back to see the specialist in jan so he can do a bit more of an assesment with him xxxx
 
Again...WHERE does it say what you have so rudely accused me of???

Giving the IMPRESSION is not saying it, nor impy it.

I still do not understand the purpose of it. That is an OPINION. You all have been so rude to me, espesially you. I am sorry if I do not agree with what you are saying, but that is your problem, not mine. You can't expect everyone to agree with it. But you don't have to bully, belittle, and call me names.

I haven't accused you of anything. I said you gave an impression about your opinion. If that's not how you feel that's fine and you've said that it's not but you asked me how we had got the impression you felt that way so I responded with how.

I have no problem with you not understanding why except that you keep on asking and I at least have already explained why so on that note we are at a stalemate. i have no problem with you not agreeing with me either but this is a debate isn't it so we voice our different sides of it.

Perhaps now you could to explain to me where I've called you names, bullied and belittled you? I haven't asked you to justify your side of the debate, I haven't said anything negative about your choice to not use any sort of tapping or otherwise. I certainly haven't called you any names. In fact I am pretty sure I've never called anyone names on here, it's not something that I do.

I read back and I guess it was mostly Boothh, calling me "deluded" etc, except to say that you, and Blackberry have "thanked" some of the posts, which I feel that you agree then, if you have thanked.
 
My daughter has autism too. It can be very difficult can't it? I guess we have one thing in common. :)

yes it can be difficult babes and that why i tap samsam as if i dont he will stand there and headbut the wall over and over and over until he hurts himself really bad :cry: now that is the only reason i tap samsam as its stops him from doing it :thumbup:

How old is he hon? Has he had any occupational therapy? They can really help with stuff like that.

he is 3 this month and we go back to see the specialist in jan so he can do a bit more of an assesment with him xxxx

Sorry, I guess we are going a bit OT, but just wanted to say that my daughter turns 6 in January, and we have come leaps and bounds since she was diagnosed at age 2. You can't even recognize her from how she used to be. She now talks, and laughs, and interacts. She has an aid in school, but she can do everything. I hope that give you some hope and peace as I know those early days can be very difficult. OK, sorry to go off topic.
 
Theres actually a book out that describes how to whip your children from 4 month sold into submission. I seen it on a facebook group posted and I was horrified at abstracts from it! thats a book that needs banned and I know everyone can agree with me on that. I will have a look for it as i cannot remember the name of it.

:shock:

https://awfullibrarybooks.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/train-up-your-child/
there it is. This book disturbed me what was wrote about it. Now thats child abuse!


I am not even going to look because I am sure it would be upsetting, but isn't it disturbing that there would be such a horrid book!

OK...I am going to take myself off of this debate. I think I have hurt some feelings (unintentionally), and I have pretty much said my piece already anyways.
 
My daughter has autism too. It can be very difficult can't it? I guess we have one thing in common. :)

yes it can be difficult babes and that why i tap samsam as if i dont he will stand there and headbut the wall over and over and over until he hurts himself really bad :cry: now that is the only reason i tap samsam as its stops him from doing it :thumbup:

How old is he hon? Has he had any occupational therapy? They can really help with stuff like that.

he is 3 this month and we go back to see the specialist in jan so he can do a bit more of an assesment with him xxxx

Sorry, I guess we are going a bit OT, but just wanted to say that my daughter turns 6 in January, and we have come leaps and bounds since she was diagnosed at age 2. You can't even recognize her from how she used to be. She now talks, and laughs, and interacts. She has an aid in school, but she can do everything. I hope that give you some hope and peace as I know those early days can be very difficult. OK, sorry to go off topic.

thankyou and i hope your little girl carrys on like she is doing babes :kiss:
 
Again...WHERE does it say what you have so rudely accused me of???

Giving the IMPRESSION is not saying it, nor impy it.

I still do not understand the purpose of it. That is an OPINION. You all have been so rude to me, espesially you. I am sorry if I do not agree with what you are saying, but that is your problem, not mine. You can't expect everyone to agree with it. But you don't have to bully, belittle, and call me names.

I haven't accused you of anything. I said you gave an impression about your opinion. If that's not how you feel that's fine and you've said that it's not but you asked me how we had got the impression you felt that way so I responded with how.

I have no problem with you not understanding why except that you keep on asking and I at least have already explained why so on that note we are at a stalemate. i have no problem with you not agreeing with me either but this is a debate isn't it so we voice our different sides of it.

Perhaps now you could to explain to me where I've called you names, bullied and belittled you? I haven't asked you to justify your side of the debate, I haven't said anything negative about your choice to not use any sort of tapping or otherwise. I certainly haven't called you any names. In fact I am pretty sure I've never called anyone names on here, it's not something that I do.

I read back and I guess it was mostly Boothh, calling me "deluded" etc, except to say that you, and Blackberry have "thanked" some of the posts, which I feel that you agree then, if you have thanked.

I've thanked posts where I've agree with what people are saying about tapping and that it isn't child abuse. Jasmak we've shared enough debate threads I think for you to know I don't call people names. I'll take this as a sort of apology for the accusation and thank you for it. :flower:
 
Again...WHERE does it say what you have so rudely accused me of???

Giving the IMPRESSION is not saying it, nor impy it.

I still do not understand the purpose of it. That is an OPINION. You all have been so rude to me, espesially you. I am sorry if I do not agree with what you are saying, but that is your problem, not mine. You can't expect everyone to agree with it. But you don't have to bully, belittle, and call me names.

I haven't accused you of anything. I said you gave an impression about your opinion. If that's not how you feel that's fine and you've said that it's not but you asked me how we had got the impression you felt that way so I responded with how.

I have no problem with you not understanding why except that you keep on asking and I at least have already explained why so on that note we are at a stalemate. i have no problem with you not agreeing with me either but this is a debate isn't it so we voice our different sides of it.

Perhaps now you could to explain to me where I've called you names, bullied and belittled you? I haven't asked you to justify your side of the debate, I haven't said anything negative about your choice to not use any sort of tapping or otherwise. I certainly haven't called you any names. In fact I am pretty sure I've never called anyone names on here, it's not something that I do.

I read back and I guess it was mostly Boothh, calling me "deluded" etc, except to say that you, and Blackberry have "thanked" some of the posts, which I feel that you agree then, if you have thanked.

maybe i couldve worded that better, but seeing what iv seen suggesting (not saying this is your exact words) that tapping a child could be child abuse IS deluded in my opinion. (the idea not the person that said it)
 
Theres actually a book out that describes how to whip your children from 4 month sold into submission. I seen it on a facebook group posted and I was horrified at abstracts from it! thats a book that needs banned and I know everyone can agree with me on that. I will have a look for it as i cannot remember the name of it.

:shock:

https://awfullibrarybooks.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/train-up-your-child/
there it is. This book disturbed me what was wrote about it. Now thats child abuse!

Bloody hell! (Can I say that on here?!) Only fundamental religion could explain that. No-one could doubt that's child abuse. The stories that children have been taken into care though, one has to wonder what sort of a parent would turn to a book like that and not just be horrified and burn it but instead try it out! :shock:
 
Theres actually a book out that describes how to whip your children from 4 month sold into submission. I seen it on a facebook group posted and I was horrified at abstracts from it! thats a book that needs banned and I know everyone can agree with me on that. I will have a look for it as i cannot remember the name of it.

:shock:

https://awfullibrarybooks.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/train-up-your-child/
there it is. This book disturbed me what was wrote about it. Now thats child abuse!

Bloody hell! (Can I say that on here?!) Only fundamental religion could explain that. No-one could doubt that's child abuse. The stories that children have been taken into care though, one has to wonder what sort of a parent would turn to a book like that and not just be horrified and burn it but instead try it out! :shock:
I want the authors sent to prison I actually feel so sad when I read what they had done to their child to get it broken.
 
The cover of the book is astonishing! To think what a total emotional wreck those children would turn out to be. Should they ever manage a relationship themselves the abuse they would probably put on their own children and maybe others. :( It's heartbreaking.
 
Theres actually a book out that describes how to whip your children from 4 month sold into submission. I seen it on a facebook group posted and I was horrified at abstracts from it! thats a book that needs banned and I know everyone can agree with me on that. I will have a look for it as i cannot remember the name of it.

:shock:

https://awfullibrarybooks.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/train-up-your-child/
there it is. This book disturbed me what was wrote about it. Now thats child abuse!

Bloody hell! (Can I say that on here?!) Only fundamental religion could explain that. No-one could doubt that's child abuse. The stories that children have been taken into care though, one has to wonder what sort of a parent would turn to a book like that and not just be horrified and burn it but instead try it out! :shock:
I want the authors sent to prison I actually feel so sad when I read what they had done to their child to get it broken.

OMG that is awful, :cry:
 
I've missed most of the debate but I suppose things like this is what made me militant about not hitting children. We have FOR GENERATIONS produced stable happy adults who have all sorts of professions but I suppose mainly civil servants (although writers, artists, engineers, doctors etc. are all included) and none of my mum's family have ever hit their children. There is no need for it. In my opinion it's just lazy parenting which gets immediate results but long term does nothing except make kids either scared tot he point of having personality or mental issues or just learn to do things behind their parents backs. It makes sense if your child is in grave danger and you CANNOT reason with him or her but generally, either a child is too young to reason with in which case hitting is cruel and if they're old enough to reason with then reason with them.

Sorry to get all riled but I'm still not sure if that book really exists or if it's just a website to see how people like me will believe anything. :shrug::wacko::nope:

If it's real the authors should be held responsible. If you can be held responsible for inciting violence surely you can be held responsible for inciting child abuse!? :shrug:
 
I've missed most of the debate but I suppose things like this is what made me militant about not hitting children. We have FOR GENERATIONS produced stable happy adults who have all sorts of professions but I suppose mainly civil servants (although writers, artists, engineers, doctors etc. are all included) and none of my mum's family have ever hit their children. There is no need for it. In my opinion it's just lazy parenting which gets immediate results but long term does nothing except make kids either scared tot he point of having personality or mental issues or just learn to do things behind their parents backs. It makes sense if your child is in grave danger and you CANNOT reason with him or her but generally, either a child is too young to reason with in which case hitting is cruel and if they're old enough to reason with then reason with them.

Sorry to get all riled but I'm still not sure if that book really exists or if it's just a website to see how people like me will believe anything. :shrug::wacko::nope:

If it's real the authors should be held responsible. If you can be held responsible for inciting violence surely you can be held responsible for inciting child abuse!? :shrug:


I dont usually reply to debate threads, tbh I dont see the sense in debating when it comes to kids, all children are different, all parents, parent different and tbh I dont ever think 2 mothers will ever agree 100% on everything, but To say tapping a child will/can cause personality or mental issues is just unbelievable :nope: I have a 12 year old and a 3 year old and both my boys get tapped when they need it and neither of them have any mental or personality issues, actually my 12 year old is in the top of his year and in his teachers words " a born leader, who not only takes control of a situation rationally but also has a heart of gold and makes sure everyone is involved in no matter what is happening" Does that sound like he has any sort of problems ?? My son never does ANYTHING behinde my back because although he is tapped when needed we have a close relationship and we totally respect each other. I come from a background of parents that tapped when needed and each and every single member of my family is stable, actually I have 6 brothers and 2 sisters all of who got tapped when needed and if I do say so myself we are a pretty respectful and respected family.

Like I said I dont normally get involved but I felt the need to say something this time :flower:
 
Seems to be a real book.

https://www.benedictionblogson.com/...teaching-linked-to-another-child-abuse-death/
child dies from teachings of that book.

https://www.gospeltruth.net/children/pearl_tuac.htm

its for sale on amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
some of the reviews are from poeple dicusted at the selling of it.

facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/To-Train-Up-A-Child-by-Michael-and-Debi-Pearl/130609296102

and there are other things linking it to abuse, plenty of blogs and such.
 
Are you responding to my post: Because i was responding to the book about whipping your babies into shape. :cry: I would never consider or compare tapping or even minimal spanking to child abuse :shrug: that would be a unnecessarily melodramatic.

As for doing things behind your back. Most kids do things behind their parents back at some stage and if I'm honest I think it's part of growing up and finding yourself. Unless you are the most permissive parent on the planet that is. My point was that spanking a kid to not do something the kid sees no reason in not doing will result in either a kid with a warped personality or a kid who learns to do things behind their parent's back.

Tapping is not beating.

I've missed most of the debate but I suppose things like this is what made me militant about not hitting children. We have FOR GENERATIONS produced stable happy adults who have all sorts of professions but I suppose mainly civil servants (although writers, artists, engineers, doctors etc. are all included) and none of my mum's family have ever hit their children. There is no need for it. In my opinion it's just lazy parenting which gets immediate results but long term does nothing except make kids either scared tot he point of having personality or mental issues or just learn to do things behind their parents backs. It makes sense if your child is in grave danger and you CANNOT reason with him or her but generally, either a child is too young to reason with in which case hitting is cruel and if they're old enough to reason with then reason with them.

Sorry to get all riled but I'm still not sure if that book really exists or if it's just a website to see how people like me will believe anything. :shrug::wacko::nope:

If it's real the authors should be held responsible. If you can be held responsible for inciting violence surely you can be held responsible for inciting child abuse!? :shrug:


I dont usually reply to debate threads, tbh I dont see the sense in debating when it comes to kids, all children are different, all parents, parent different and tbh I dont ever think 2 mothers will ever agree 100% on everything, but To say tapping a child will/can cause personality or mental issues is just unbelievable :nope: I have a 12 year old and a 3 year old and both my boys get tapped when they need it and neither of them have any mental or personality issues, actually my 12 year old is in the top of his year and in his teachers words " a born leader, who not only takes control of a situation rationally but also has a heart of gold and makes sure everyone is involved in no matter what is happening" Does that sound like he has any sort of problems ?? My son never does ANYTHING behinde my back because although he is tapped when needed we have a close relationship and we totally respect each other. I come from a background of parents that tapped when needed and each and every single member of my family is stable, actually I have 6 brothers and 2 sisters all of who got tapped when needed and if I do say so myself we are a pretty respectful and respected family.

Like I said I dont normally get involved but I felt the need to say something this time :flower:
 
Seems to be a real book.

https://www.benedictionblogson.com/...teaching-linked-to-another-child-abuse-death/
child dies from teachings of that book.

https://www.gospeltruth.net/children/pearl_tuac.htm

its for sale on amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000
some of the reviews are from poeple dicusted at the selling of it.

facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/To-Train-Up-A-Child-by-Michael-and-Debi-Pearl/130609296102

and there are other things linking it to abuse, plenty of blogs and such.

It's all so scary! Doesn't it make you lose faith in the greater potential of humanity? :nope:
 

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