TTC 1st child 35+ (Please spoiler any PG news/announcements).

Sorry for my typos-rushed that post off..... Ooops.

Good day to you all, and where are we off to today then, my fellow Whatevers??? Bora Bora for a couple of hours on the beach??? Vegas for a spin on the roulette wheels, or just cruising???!!!!!

Big :hugs::hugs::hugs: to all the marvellous people on here!
xx
 
Hello everybody :flower:
I posted here several time last year..but then life got in the way and I stopped posting :blush:, but I always remember how great & supportive all of you here are, so here I am back again!

Perhaps I'll introduce myself again :D I'll be 37 in August, DH is 37. We've been trying since January 2009. I had hydrotubation in August last year, and the result was clear. At the same time DH was diagnosed with 3rd grade varicocele, and the doctor recommended surgery.

We were in doubt for a long time, especially because the doc said taking meds or having the surgery would have the same outcome, about 60% success rate. We decided to take meds first. He was supposed to take them for 5 months, but he stopped after about 1.5 months...because the meds were expensive and also, I think, because we both felt hopeless.

Just 2 days ago, however, he finally decided to take the meds again, for a full 5 months, while saving up for surgery. After 5 months, if we still arent conceiving, he said he'd undergo the surgery. I am so relieved to hear this :) because finally he is taking charge and making decisions, all this time I've felt so alone in our TTC journey. (I'm the type who researches a ton of things in the net, and he just doesnt even read up what varicocele means!)

Anyway am looking forward to share and read your stories. I've read the last few pages...feel how much your words resonate with what I feel.. and am so glad to be in this board!

Wishing that this year will be the year we all conceive :hugs:
 
Hi Vittori :flower:

welcome back!! may your stay here be short
loads of :dust: for you!
 
Hi Vittori and welcome back :wave:

Best of luck to you and hope the meds work out for your DH.
 
Welcome back vittori..good that you OH is prepared to do his bit for the team :flower:

Lava...have everything crossed for your scan my lovely :hugs:

HA...hope you got some sleep and today is a fresh new day :hugs:

Everyone else...:hugs: and :dust:

XxX
 
Welcome back vittori :hi: Hope you get your BFP before surgery is required for your DH :dust:
 
Luv, sorry about dh. Maybe he took some hormones. :haha: Doug was moody sometimes too. I think this process takes a toll on them sometimes too. Though it doesn't give them a right to be buttheads! :hugs: Hopefully things got worked out and he'll be back to the compassionate side that sympathizes with his wife and doesn't shoot hurtful comments at her.

As for this wagon. I didn't have it for my experience but it sounds like it could be a fun wagon if it had alcohol and friends! I can imagine one big hayride or maybe more like a wagon full of girls riding along the beach side while drinking Margaritas. Or mock drinks at least. :haha:

Right now I'm excited about an Atkins Bar that has coconut in them. It's low in carbs and has almost no sugar in it. It doesn't even taste like Sawdust. I was eating it for my snack with milk and all I could think of was that it tasted like a day in Hawaii! :rofl: I LOVE my chocolate! Having such high sugars though, I couldn't have them. Found these babies for 5 bucks and splurged. I'm glad I did all the taste without the high sugars! :winkwink:

Love to you all! :hug:

Thank you! MommysAngel!!! I needed that. Yes, I hope he gets his act together before he gets home from work.

I really like your idea of a wagon/hayride....when we all have our lo's we can leave them at home with our dh's(when it's the right time) and all meet somewhere for that ride...bring on the :wine::wine::wine::wine: and the :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:!!!!!!

I keep saying when everyone graduates we need to meet with our kids at Disneyworld.:haha::thumbup: of course with more and more newbies coming on, it will be hard to coordinate, but I'm hoping for a TON of graduates for the date.:winkwink::flower:

Great idea, i LOVE Disney World!!!!
 
Sorry for my typos-rushed that post off..... Ooops.

Good day to you all, and where are we off to today then, my fellow Whatevers??? Bora Bora for a couple of hours on the beach??? Vegas for a spin on the roulette wheels, or just cruising???!!!!!

Big :hugs::hugs::hugs: to all the marvellous people on here!
xx

I think the whatevers wagon needs to go to the beach!!! I am so sick of this cold cloudy crappy weather we have here in Chicago!! But no drinking for me, i have a headache today, must have been too much :wine: on the whatevers wagon yesterday lol.
 
Welcome back Vittori, yea for your DH taking charge, i sure hope your stay here is short and sweet!!

Lava big :hugs: and well wishes for a great day today, i cant wait to hear your update as to how the beans are doing!!

Everybody else :hug: i hope you all have a wonderful day!!
 
Thanks for the encouragement yesterday, ladies. I am still feeling pretty flabbergasted/dumbfounded/angry/frustrated/you name it.

My nurse encouraged us to go ahead and BD last night, but I was so angry/upset that I wasn't even remotely in the mood, and I didn't really see the point anyway since I could see for myself on the ultrasound yesterday morning that the eggs were already gone, that ship had sailed. My right ovary had four good follies at 17, 17, 16 and 12 on Tuesday and absolutely nothing yesterday - all released. They even scanned me twice because my nurse didn't believe it when the sonographer said there was nothing there. They checked my progesterone and LH yesterday and confirmed ovulation had already taken place.

I suspect the reason they don't just automatically put all IUI patients on ganirelix to suppress natural ovulation is the cost of the drug. But I am angry that I wasn't monitored more closely to see that I was close to ovulating. All it would have taken is a blood test to check my LH level every time they check my E2 level, and I don't understand why that's not standard.

My dr is on vacation this week and another dr at the clinic had been calling the shots on this cycle, but there's no way of knowing if my own dr would have done things any differently. My nurse is going to discuss things with my dr when he gets back next week to make sure I don't get lost in his pile of work when he returns - obviously a f*cked-up cycle is something that needs careful review. She also said after looking back over my records, she wonders if I ovulated naturally on my first two IUI cycles, messing up the timing of the insemination, and that's why we haven't had success yet, that maybe this f*ck-up is a blessing in disguise. On one hand I have to agree with her there - that thought had already occurred to me before she brought it up. On the other hand, why the hell didn't they check my LH in every damn cycle to see if I was close to ovulating naturally??!! Why isn't that routine??!!

One of the things that makes me angry is that I'll be out of town next month right around ovulation, so we have to skip treatment next month. That puts me into August before we can try again, and August means my bday, and my bday means I'm 38 not 37, and somehow already being pregnant at 38 seems more manageable to me than still trying at 38. I know that's all in my head, but it's there. And it definitely feels like I need to let go of any wish of having more than one... at this rate, if I get pregnant in August, I'll be 40 before I'm able to try for #2... I think I need to just let go of that, shoot for one child and be content with an only child. And that makes me angry at the whole journey because dammit, we started ttc at 35 and got pregnant right away - if that first baby had survived, I could be pregnant with #2 RIGHT NOW.

This has just taken the wind out of my sails. I took three months off from treatment to get my head in the right place and find the strength to keep trying, and in return I was met with a colossal error by my medical team. The only good news is that I shudder to think how I might have reacted if this had happened before my break - I might have just thrown in the ttc towel altogether. Instead I'll just take the next 6 weeks to regroup, be angry, yell scream and shout, and try again in August, when I am three years older than I was when I started all this ttc bs.
 
Oh HA I can see that you would be really angry, what a c*ck up. But yes, maybe take the positives that this might bring and work on those. Also don't count yourself out of more than 1, although it might be difficult there are others getting BFPs at 44+ so keep that thought in mind. In the mean time enjoy the time off, take it easy and come back with more knowledge for the next cycle. :hugs: :hugs: :hugs:
 
Thanks for the encouragement yesterday, ladies. I am still feeling pretty flabbergasted/dumbfounded/angry/frustrated/you name it.

My nurse encouraged us to go ahead and BD last night, but I was so angry/upset that I wasn't even remotely in the mood, and I didn't really see the point anyway since I could see for myself on the ultrasound yesterday morning that the eggs were already gone, that ship had sailed. My right ovary had four good follies at 17, 17, 16 and 12 on Tuesday and absolutely nothing yesterday - all released. They even scanned me twice because my nurse didn't believe it when the sonographer said there was nothing there. They checked my progesterone and LH yesterday and confirmed ovulation had already taken place.

I suspect the reason they don't just automatically put all IUI patients on ganirelix to suppress natural ovulation is the cost of the drug. But I am angry that I wasn't monitored more closely to see that I was close to ovulating. All it would have taken is a blood test to check my LH level every time they check my E2 level, and I don't understand why that's not standard.

My dr is on vacation this week and another dr at the clinic had been calling the shots on this cycle, but there's no way of knowing if my own dr would have done things any differently. My nurse is going to discuss things with my dr when he gets back next week to make sure I don't get lost in his pile of work when he returns - obviously a f*cked-up cycle is something that needs careful review. She also said after looking back over my records, she wonders if I ovulated naturally on my first two IUI cycles, messing up the timing of the insemination, and that's why we haven't had success yet, that maybe this f*ck-up is a blessing in disguise. On one hand I have to agree with her there - that thought had already occurred to me before she brought it up. On the other hand, why the hell didn't they check my LH in every damn cycle to see if I was close to ovulating naturally??!! Why isn't that routine??!!

One of the things that makes me angry is that I'll be out of town next month right around ovulation, so we have to skip treatment next month. That puts me into August before we can try again, and August means my bday, and my bday means I'm 38 not 37, and somehow already being pregnant at 38 seems more manageable to me than still trying at 38. I know that's all in my head, but it's there. And it definitely feels like I need to let go of any wish of having more than one... at this rate, if I get pregnant in August, I'll be 40 before I'm able to try for #2... I think I need to just let go of that, shoot for one child and be content with an only child. And that makes me angry at the whole journey because dammit, we started ttc at 35 and got pregnant right away - if that first baby had survived, I could be pregnant with #2 RIGHT NOW.

This has just taken the wind out of my sails. I took three months off from treatment to get my head in the right place and find the strength to keep trying, and in return I was met with a colossal error by my medical team. The only good news is that I shudder to think how I might have reacted if this had happened before my break - I might have just thrown in the ttc towel altogether. Instead I'll just take the next 6 weeks to regroup, be angry, yell scream and shout, and try again in August, when I am three years older than I was when I started all this ttc bs.

:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs: Sorry I really don't know what to say :hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
HA...I also have no words apart from I'm sorry you've had to go through this shit. It's more than unfair :hugs:

Sending you strength and positivity to get you back in the place to get your forever baby :flower:

XxX
 
Thanks for the encouragement yesterday, ladies. I am still feeling pretty flabbergasted/dumbfounded/angry/frustrated/you name it.

My nurse encouraged us to go ahead and BD last night, but I was so angry/upset that I wasn't even remotely in the mood, and I didn't really see the point anyway since I could see for myself on the ultrasound yesterday morning that the eggs were already gone, that ship had sailed. My right ovary had four good follies at 17, 17, 16 and 12 on Tuesday and absolutely nothing yesterday - all released. They even scanned me twice because my nurse didn't believe it when the sonographer said there was nothing there. They checked my progesterone and LH yesterday and confirmed ovulation had already taken place.

I suspect the reason they don't just automatically put all IUI patients on ganirelix to suppress natural ovulation is the cost of the drug. But I am angry that I wasn't monitored more closely to see that I was close to ovulating. All it would have taken is a blood test to check my LH level every time they check my E2 level, and I don't understand why that's not standard.

My dr is on vacation this week and another dr at the clinic had been calling the shots on this cycle, but there's no way of knowing if my own dr would have done things any differently. My nurse is going to discuss things with my dr when he gets back next week to make sure I don't get lost in his pile of work when he returns - obviously a f*cked-up cycle is something that needs careful review. She also said after looking back over my records, she wonders if I ovulated naturally on my first two IUI cycles, messing up the timing of the insemination, and that's why we haven't had success yet, that maybe this f*ck-up is a blessing in disguise. On one hand I have to agree with her there - that thought had already occurred to me before she brought it up. On the other hand, why the hell didn't they check my LH in every damn cycle to see if I was close to ovulating naturally??!! Why isn't that routine??!!

One of the things that makes me angry is that I'll be out of town next month right around ovulation, so we have to skip treatment next month. That puts me into August before we can try again, and August means my bday, and my bday means I'm 38 not 37, and somehow already being pregnant at 38 seems more manageable to me than still trying at 38. I know that's all in my head, but it's there. And it definitely feels like I need to let go of any wish of having more than one... at this rate, if I get pregnant in August, I'll be 40 before I'm able to try for #2... I think I need to just let go of that, shoot for one child and be content with an only child. And that makes me angry at the whole journey because dammit, we started ttc at 35 and got pregnant right away - if that first baby had survived, I could be pregnant with #2 RIGHT NOW.

This has just taken the wind out of my sails. I took three months off from treatment to get my head in the right place and find the strength to keep trying, and in return I was met with a colossal error by my medical team. The only good news is that I shudder to think how I might have reacted if this had happened before my break - I might have just thrown in the ttc towel altogether. Instead I'll just take the next 6 weeks to regroup, be angry, yell scream and shout, and try again in August, when I am three years older than I was when I started all this ttc bs.

Oh honey you have every right to yell scream and rant, i would be too, i dont understand why they were not monitering the LH, as stupid as my RE was they always checked the levels during my cycle, and thats what they would base it off of. My prayers for you are that you get a miracle bfp this next cycle!! I am sorry honey, i feel so bad for you, but please dont give up, i just know this is going to work for you!!
 
Oh HA, I'm sending you THE most enormous of hugs. I can understand how angry and upset you must be feeling, it is just so unfair after after a three month sabbatical and all set to go, that this happens. I think it is nothing short of scandalous hos the ganiwhatsit drug wasn't given to you to suppress ovulation; if it's down to cost, then clearly they don't give a toss about us women who are DESPERATE to get pregnant. And not to check your LH levels-it's a cowboy job, and that is all I can say. Why is it all so unfair?? We don't have follies to waste-can't they understand that?? Hopeless.

I think it's right that you see this as a blessing in disguise-next time they MUST give you the ovulation suppressant, to make sure that all the expensive drugs they are prepared to give, can do their work.

I know exactly how you feel about our mental obstacles re. age and PG. In my mind, I never ever thought I'd be knocking on the door of 40 and struggling to get PG. But, like Butterfly said, there are women getting pregnant at 44+ so that does not mean that you can't have two by the time that you are 40.

You have to wail and cry and scream and let it all out and then come back fighting, armed with even more ammo of information to take into your next cycle, which may very well be THE ONE!!!

Hang on in there hun, I'm thinking of you, as is everybody on here. We're with you every step of the way.

Huge HUGE hugs!
:hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
HA,
Waiting to go to my appt & I'm on my cell, but I just had to drop in and say that I am so sorry this happened. I don't know why they weren't monitoring you better. Not sure how that drug you mentioned is supposed to work. Did you do an OPK to direct the surge? Mine never showed last cycle & they gave me the trigger shot the morning before the insemination. I can't believe that they messed up this cycle ... Did you even get an apology from them? Some kind of refund? Just on principle b/c it certainly can't change the fact that they weren't doing their job properly. If there is any silver lining is that maybe they will monitor you better next time based on the pattern of your previous cycles. Still, this sucks and I would be furious. As for being 38, you can still have 2 babies before you turn 40 if that is what you really want. Hang in there, regroup, but don't give up.
 
HappyAuntie- I am so sorry that this cycle.:hugs::hugs: I would be so upset too!

Lava- I will be thinking about you today!:hugs::hugs:

Bora Bora sounds lovely- I will bring the sunscreen and the margaritas!

As for me...dh is still being a butt head. he didn't talk to me last night when he got home from work, just ignored me. He likes to do this, so I will just start talking to him and pretend like he didn't do anything...but this time he really hurt me girls....he told me to F*uck off the other night....out of no where, while he was on his cell phone. All, I did was point something out to him. I'm already going through enough hardship right now, and he has to say that.
 
As for me...dh is still being a butt head. he didn't talk to me last night when he got home from work, just ignored me. He likes to do this, so I will just start talking to him and pretend like he didn't do anything...but this time he really hurt me girls....he told me to F*uck off the other night....out of no where, while he was on his cell phone. All, I did was point something out to him. I'm already going through enough hardship right now, and he has to say that.

So sorry to hear he's being a butt head:hugs: Hopefully he pull his head from his butt and apologise soon:hugs:
 
HA,
Waiting to go to my appt & I'm on my cell, but I just had to drop in and say that I am so sorry this happened. I don't know why they weren't monitoring you better. Not sure how that drug you mentioned is supposed to work. Did you do an OPK to direct the surge? Mine never showed last cycle & they gave me the trigger shot the morning before the insemination. I can't believe that they messed up this cycle ... Did you even get an apology from them? Some kind of refund? Just on principle b/c it certainly can't change the fact that they weren't doing their job properly. If there is any silver lining is that maybe they will monitor you better next time based on the pattern of your previous cycles. Still, this sucks and I would be furious. As for being 38, you can still have 2 babies before you turn 40 if that is what you really want. Hang in there, regroup, but don't give up.

Thanks Lava. I have to admit, when I saw you had posted I came rushing in to read, filled with nerves for your outcome. We're all waiting with you. :hugs:

As for OPKs, no, I wasn't using them. My dr does a trigger shot on everyone instead of waiting for the natural surge, so there should have been no need for OPKs. My nurse has apologized profusely and even called a couple of times yesterday afternoon to check on me. Even during the appt yesterday she was shocked and upset that this had happened. I expect to hear from my dr early next week when he's back in the office - I certainly feel I deserve a personal response and apology. I am still debating scheduling a consult with him just so I can tell him face to face how angry and upset I am, and ask him why routine LH monitoring isn't done. Unfortunately my counselor is also out of town this week, and I'd kind of like to wait a while for my temper to cool and to talk to her (counselor) first to sort of gauge how I should handle this. I want to present a measured response; I don't want to fly off the handle and be that hysterical patient that no one pays any attention to.

I'm not sure about asking for a refund or a free cycle... free drugs next time, maybe, since all the follistim I bought and used this time was a big waste. But that's another thing I want to discuss with my counselor first - she was an IVF nurse before going back to school to become a counselor, so she kind of acts as a patient advocate as well as counselor.

But I definitely need to blow off some steam before talking with the clinic again.


As for me...dh is still being a butt head. he didn't talk to me last night when he got home from work, just ignored me. He likes to do this, so I will just start talking to him and pretend like he didn't do anything...but this time he really hurt me girls....he told me to F*uck off the other night....out of no where, while he was on his cell phone. All, I did was point something out to him. I'm already going through enough hardship right now, and he has to say that.

Luvvie, I'm so sorry. :hugs: DH and I have only yelled that at each other twice in our 13 years together, and it stings for a long long time when it happens. Definitely sounds like a good chat is in order. When you do talk to him about it, focus on how you feel, not on what he did. Focusing on the actions only makes people feel defensive. (Lesson learned in counseling just a few weeks ago when DH and I had our big screamer!!) You might try writing it out - that way you can write it over and over until it says just what you want it to say. I know when I'm upset and start talking, I completely lose track of what I wanted to say and i get caught up in tangents instead of staying on topic. But definitely tell him how it feels when he tells you to F off - he needs to know that you're hurting. :hugs:
 
Good to hear from you HA-I think waiting to calm down is a very good idea. Also, to speak to your counsellor sounds like a very good idea. Big hugs to you hun! :hugs::hugs:

Luvvy-what is it with men? They really don't realise how much we are hurt when we are told to you know what off. I think they say it to each other as a butty matey thing... I don't find it at all excusable in any circumstances. As HA says, defo time for a chat-perhaps write down how you are feeling and send it as an email or leave a note for him. When he's ready he can come and talk to you..... I always do this with my OH because he can digest and process what I am telling him (writing to him), and he is far more reasonable than when I am there behaving like a harpy and going on at him (I'm not saying you would do this-but it is my speciality, alas).

Good luck-I hope you get it sorted before the weekend!! Thinking of you! :flower::flower:

Hey Lava-how are you hun? I'm thinking of you constantly and checking in to see if all is okay... Fingers crossed hun. :thumbup::thumbup:

P.S. Everybody! I am typing this on my laptop on my bed, and my gorgeous husky, Gwydion, keeps bringing me a tennis ball and dropping it on my keyboard so that I will throw it for him to retrieve. He is sooooooo gorgeous. Sometimes, I think furbabies are better than our other halves!!!

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