TTC after Methotrexate shot

[Rachel613]

PDX, congrats on the low HCG and ok for sex and wine!!!!!
That is really great news!!! You'll be TTC in no time!!

 

[allforthegirl]

So my numbers came back yestery, they only dropped by TWO in 5 days! From 67 to 65 after 5 days - Ugh!!!

So they called me at 4 and just said to come by right away to get another shot (I work in the same hospital as my FS). So I got the SECOND shot of mtx. I started cramping a lot more then I was, my leg started having charlie horses (not sure what the technical term of that is).....but other than that just really desperately wanting this HCG to start going down. The doctor said that its very common for women to need two shots and its very uncommon that the second shot doesn't take care of everything.

Based on my stalking skills....the women on this threat who had a second shot, it seemed to start going down after the second one.....

Gosh girl I am sorry that you had to get the second shot. That would really bum me out. Hopefully things will go as they say, and drop like a stone from here on out. What date does this push you back till? Ruffly that is. I really do hate the waiting game!!

On another note I had strange dreams last night, all the same one. It was about this really old mansion style home, with three floors and an attic (though I never went into it). All the old furniture would be sold with the house, really old victorian style. Stuff people would pay big money for. The best part was that the house had enough rooms in it for everyone to have their own bedrooms plus enough for a visitors. i was running around so happy with everything! Must mean that things are starting to fall into place.

 

[pdxmom]

So my numbers came back yestery, they only dropped by TWO in 5 days! From 67 to 65 after 5 days - Ugh!!!

So they called me at 4 and just said to come by right away to get another shot (I work in the same hospital as my FS). So I got the SECOND shot of mtx. I started cramping a lot more then I was, my leg started having charlie horses (not sure what the technical term of that is).....but other than that just really desperately wanting this HCG to start going down. The doctor said that its very common for women to need two shots and its very uncommon that the second shot doesn't take care of everything.

Based on my stalking skills....the women on this threat who had a second shot, it seemed to start going down after the second one.....

oh hun...im so sorry u didnt hear very gud news...but ive read tht with alot of women the numbers drop rapidly after the second shot...so tht shud defenitely b the case with u...does this affect your wait time to ttc??i hope not...i think it shud still b 12 week after hitting 0...

 

[pdxmom]

So my numbers came back yestery, they only dropped by TWO in 5 days! From 67 to 65 after 5 days - Ugh!!!

So they called me at 4 and just said to come by right away to get another shot (I work in the same hospital as my FS). So I got the SECOND shot of mtx. I started cramping a lot more then I was, my leg started having charlie horses (not sure what the technical term of that is).....but other than that just really desperately wanting this HCG to start going down. The doctor said that its very common for women to need two shots and its very uncommon that the second shot doesn't take care of everything.

Based on my stalking skills....the women on this threat who had a second shot, it seemed to start going down after the second one.....

Gosh girl I am sorry that you had to get the second shot. That would really bum me out. Hopefully things will go as they say, and drop like a stone from here on out. What date does this push you back till? Ruffly that is. I really do hate the waiting game!!

On another note I had strange dreams last night, all the same one. It was about this really old mansion style home, with three floors and an attic (though I never went into it). All the old furniture would be sold with the house, really old victorian style. Stuff people would pay big money for. The best part was that the house had enough rooms in it for everyone to have their own bedrooms plus enough for a visitors. i was running around so happy with everything! Must mean that things are starting to fall into place.

gud for u sweetie...hopefully this means all gud things r in order

 

[Rachel613]

I asked my doctor if i had to wait 3-6 months now for TTC and he again said that after my number hits zero and then after my first AF we can start trying again. I told him that all your guys' doctors said to wait at least 3 months....he said that I needed to trust him and to stop googling because everyone is different (he is very blunt!!) - so I'm still not sure what we are going to do....but nothing to decide yet, stilling bleeding and numbers are not close to 0!

I go back on Thursday so I really hope your right PDX and that it is dropping fast!! I started heavily bleeding and cramping....so I hope that is good sign that its leaving my system!!

 

[pdxmom]

I asked my doctor if i had to wait 3-6 months now for TTC and he again said that after my number hits zero and then after my first AF we can start trying again. I told him that all your guys' doctors said to wait at least 3 months....he said that I needed to trust him and to stop googling because everyone is different (he is very blunt!!) - so I'm still not sure what we are going to do....but nothing to decide yet, stilling bleeding and numbers are not close to 0!

I go back on Thursday so I really hope your right PDX and that it is dropping fast!! I started heavily bleeding and cramping....so I hope that is good sign that its leaving my system!!

im sure ull c better results on thursday...as for the 3 mths i just think maybe wen u do decide to start tryin u can ask your dr to do a folate levels check to c if your levels r upto to a safe level and then try...he obviously cant deny u taking a blood test...

 

[allforthegirl]

I agree with pdxmom, even with a Dr saying it is ok, I would still want to know where my levels are. i just don't see how TTC again right away is a good idea. Methotrexate is the drug they use for chemo therapy..... I was warned very firmly that not to conceive early, because of worries of birth defects.... Just scares me is all that he was so ok with it.

 

[pdxmom]

yes i agree im alil freaked myself tht he wud just tell her not to google and just listen to him...hun i know it sees really difficult to wait now but its best to b safe than sorry...just my 2 cents...anyways theres a while now for u to think over tht...

 

[Rachel613]

He told me that once you have your first period that means the mtx is completely our of your system. If anything he has me do too many blood tests. He said the second my numbers are down to 0 and before we start trying again he will start doing all the miscarriage and fertility work ups to make sure I am ready.

Also, several women on this thread waited 3 months and unfortunately still had another m/c....so I think you just never know. But I hear what you are saying and feel the same worry that it might not be a good idea....like I said, I'll see when we get there and after all the workups and tests - I still have such a long to go!!

 

[Renzalxx]

I understand where your doctor is coming from of course...I was told though by my OBGYN/Fertility Specialist - Not google - that Its not so much that the MTX is out of your system, its that your body has been completely depleted of folic acid which is required to ensure your baby does not have birth defects. The MTX also damages your eggs so while you may fall pregnant straight away, your eggo may not be healthy enough to contiunue with the pregancy and then miscarriage is inevitable.
There is nothing more heartbreaking than dealing with another loss straight after the nightmare of ectopic pregnancy let me tell you. And then it just sets back your TTC by another few months which just sucks big time.
This is just my opinion of course hun and you should do whatever is right for you and I wish you all the very VERY best in getting your forever baby xxx

 

[Gwenylovey]

Hi ladies, I would just like to add my 2 cents on the how long to wait post mtx discussion. I got pregnant a little under three months after my shot and had a chemical pregnancy. The following month, I got pregnant again with a little girl that I lost at 21 weeks. She had a very rare condition which included some severe heart defects. My husband and I have been checked for everything and she had her chromosomes and many genes tested and nothing was found. Although my ob can't explain it, she has this lingering feeling that these losses might have had to do with the residual effects that the methotrexate had on my eggs. I know how anxious most of you feel to ttc again - I've been there! I also know that some women wait less than the suggested time or no time at all and go on to have a healthy pregnancy. I just wanted to add my experience with methotrexate and ttc. Good luck to all of you ladies, and I'm wishing you happy and healthy pregnancies in your futures!

Renzal, baby is a watermelon!!! How are you feeling? So close now, I can't wait to hear your news! You deserve this so much hun xoxo

 

[LeahMSta]

Alright ladies, I have been lurking to see if this conversation would turn around and it doesn't seem it has. I have been really feeling a little blue since I announced on this thread that we would be trying again. This was not a decision we entered into lightly. We followed the advice of our OB/GYN, our surgeon, and our certified midwife. We spent so many nights grieving and feeling like there was nothing to look forward to and when I chose this as a safe place to be excited, all of the "cationary tales" knocked the wind straight out of our sails. We were horrified. Confussed on why our medical professionals had been so naieve and how they could have possibly allowed such a heinous decsion to be made. After more doctors appointments fearing there was more bad news and more blood work done, I am pleased to announce that we are fine. DW folate is at nice safe levels and she is as healthy as a 17yr old cheerleader. I say that to say this: different amounts of MTX are used based on weight and height not to mention how MANY injections you have. Then there is how long it took for your levels to hit 0. Oh...AND (if there weren't enough variables listed here) there is the amount of folic acid taken, frequency, and durration....again all variable based on a varriety of factors. We are not doctors and although I encourage sharing knowledge and exchanging ideas, I think that the only 2 people that can tell a woman when and if she is ready to start TTC again are her doctor and herself. Throwing in a nice "wish you luck" at the end of terrifying someone who has just suffered a loss doesn't make it better. Though I appreciate the place that it came from, these same "warnings" are taking happiness and hope away from people and I think that perhaps do more harm than help

 

[Renzalxx]

I dont think its anyones intentions to "terrify" anyone on here and I for one am sorry if that is how it has come accross. This is a forum and we are just voicing our experiences, opinions and information provided to us - its up to you to decide what avenue you wish to take.

 

[Renzalxx]

Hi Gweny
All good here thanks for your message... three weeks to go!, been a long slog since 2010so very excited indeed.
Hoping your travelling well sweets - You certainly deserve your little forever bear too and looking forward to hearing your good news on here soon x

 

[LeahMSta]

I dont think its anyones intentions to "terrify" anyone on here and I for one am sorry if that is how it has come accross. This is a forum and we are just voicing our experiences, opinions and information provided to us - its up to you to decide what avenue you wish to take.

Like I said before, I completely understand the place that these sorts of things come from. I get that it is a friendly word of caution I am just saying that with all of the variables it is not as cut and dry as everyone seems to be making it. it What may be 6 months in one case may be only 30 days for another. In our case, this was the first place I thought to turn to for support and already being concerned with the multitude of 'what ifs' I suddenly found myself feeling like there was more room for fear than hope. I felt uninformed confused and twice as fearful as I was. I just would encourage everyone to be mindful of how this can make someone else feel. Also to remember that this is not a one size fits all situation and the best we can do is to encourage each other and be a safe place for us to all feel free to even be a little hopeful while we grieve.

 

[Laubull]

Leah I understand your frustration, however from page 1 onwards people have come here and asked for advice from each other, we are simply telling our own stories, none of which are medically certified, we are all just being honest. I think what this whole thread sums up is that no one really knows what damage MTX causes, one medical professional tells you one things, another something else.

The likes of Renzal, Gweny and Presh have all been honest, sadly we suffered loses after MTX, we would never wish this on anyone. Maybe it was the MTX maybe it just bad luck. However having gone through it, I know I would never wish it on anyone.

I am not trying to terrify you, just being honest. But I will throw in a good luck and I hope you get your forever baby soon, because that is what I want for everyone who has gone through the nightmare of an ectopic.

 

[allforthegirl]

I understand both sides to this. As I was looking at it from more of a variable state then loss vs gain. I appreciate all those that have told their story in hopes to save another women the pain themselves. But I don't think we will even know unless we try which way it will sway. Like Gwen said that she even had a loss with her second, so honestly we have to take a leap of faith and just try! What LeahMSta may be noticing that those that had good out comes have not recently been on to tell their happy stories as often, is all, so it just looks out weighed the other direction. I have love and respect for all of you!! The only right thing (I know you all have said this) is the decision we feel right for ourselves. For myself I am going to give it a go in May full well knowing the possibility that my eggs will be affected, but I will not know if I don't try. If it is meant to be it will be!!

 

[allforthegirl]

BTW LeahMSta congrats that things are looking up and up!!

 

[pdxmom]

hi girls...hows everyone?
Leah its really nice tht things r looking up for u guys and u have happy news to share with us..Im sure tht is ultimately what each of us here want to hear from the other...
I feel sorry tht its come across so harshly tht we r trying to frighten anybody...im sure all of the girls (me included) only wish for each other to get tht perfect baby tht all of us desire so much...the loss of our angels is the reason tht has brought us all together...and we wouldnt want any1 to ever go thro tht...I think my expressing my fears is just a part of my grieving process as i am still undergoin my second loss....the anticipation in all of us to try and try again till we get our babies is mixed with the fear of loss...by saying all the best for whoever is trying i honestly mean to wish them so and will b happy to hear their success stories as reading abt renzal,presh and the other girls make me believe tht the best is yet to come
Anyways im sure we r all here to support each other and we all wish only the best for one another...
AFM...im fine...dh is so cute...he got me a fish tank and 6 little fishies...aww...hes such a sweetheart

 

[LeahMSta]

Thank you all so much for your responses. It really does mean a lot that you took the time to explain why you feel that those responses are so important. I admire the strength that each of you have and the compassion that you feel for others going through this. I think that perhaps I am equally as guilty of terrifying myself as anyone else is if not more. I am already so worried about the what ifs and hearing all of you sharing stories of loss upon returning to TTC made me feel that we were setting ourselves up for failure. I think that allforthegirl hit the nail onthe head when she said that the happy stories are told less often. I truely hope that I did not offend anyone. I can not imagine the strenght it takes to have multiple losses and still maintain hope. Today is our first insemination since our angel got their wings and I am still scared of the unknown but I am going to try and believe in the happily ever after.