Warning All Pregnant Women: Miscarriages From H1N1 Vaccine As High As 3,587 Cases

[upsybetsy]

The brains falling out comment was meant to be a bit of a joke. Quite witty I thought.

But then I'm not amongst the "I find that rude/offensive/insulting" crowd. IMO It equates to whining.

Has anyone died from the swine flu vaccine yet? I'm sorry but declaring something as not safe because Joe Bloggs says he "may" have got a sore arm and a bit of an itch from it is irresponsible. As I've said before, many people are easily scared and aren't able to grasp the facts themselves. As a result this could potentially put their life and their children's lives at risk.

AND this is not a "could happen" occurence as it has happened before. The MMR scare was an absolute disgrace. People were scared for reasons bearing no scientific evidence (i.e. the rants of hysterical parents) and children became needlessly ill and some even died. If their parents had vaccinated them against the disease it would have been a different story.

There are not two sides - well there are, but only one of them has evidence to support it's claims. Deluding people into believing the possibility that there are two sides to this and it's a no contest choice between two evils, with no repurcussions, is dangerous in the extreme.

Not everyone can see through the propaganda and, sadly, a great proportion of the general public are easily seduced by conspiracy theories.

 

[smokey]

The brains falling out comment was meant to be a bit of a joke. Quite witty I thought.

But then I'm not amongst the "I find that rude/offensive/insulting" crowd. IMO It equates to whining.
Has anyone died from the swine flu vaccine yet? I'm sorry but declaring something as not safe because Joe Bloggs says he "may" have got a sore arm and a bit of an itch from it is irresponsible. As I've said before, many people are easily scared and aren't able to grasp the facts themselves. As a result this could potentially put their life and their children's lives at risk.

AND this is not a "could happen" occurence as it has happened before. The MMR scare was an absolute disgrace. People were scared for reasons bearing no scientific evidence (i.e. the rants of hysterical parents) and children became needlessly ill and some even died. If their parents had vaccinated them against the disease it would have been a different story.

There are not two sides - well there are, but only one of them has evidence to support it's claims. Deluding people into believing the possibility that there are two sides to this and it's a no contest choice between two evils, with no repurcussions, is dangerous in the extreme.

Not everyone can see through the propaganda and, sadly, a great proportion of the general public are easily seduced by conspiracy theories.

Whining or not, rules are there for a reason.
Everyone is intitled to their own oppinion its how you express it that shows you for your true personality.
Most here so far have not agreed with the OP views but very few have resulted in insults to make a point.

 

[upsybetsy]

The brains falling out comment was meant to be a bit of a joke. Quite witty I thought.

But then I'm not amongst the "I find that rude/offensive/insulting" crowd. IMO It equates to whining.
Has anyone died from the swine flu vaccine yet? I'm sorry but declaring something as not safe because Joe Bloggs says he "may" have got a sore arm and a bit of an itch from it is irresponsible. As I've said before, many people are easily scared and aren't able to grasp the facts themselves. As a result this could potentially put their life and their children's lives at risk.

AND this is not a "could happen" occurence as it has happened before. The MMR scare was an absolute disgrace. People were scared for reasons bearing no scientific evidence (i.e. the rants of hysterical parents) and children became needlessly ill and some even died. If their parents had vaccinated them against the disease it would have been a different story.

There are not two sides - well there are, but only one of them has evidence to support it's claims. Deluding people into believing the possibility that there are two sides to this and it's a no contest choice between two evils, with no repurcussions, is dangerous in the extreme.

Not everyone can see through the propaganda and, sadly, a great proportion of the general public are easily seduced by conspiracy theories.

Whining or not, rules are there for a reason.
Everyone is intitled to their own oppinion its how you express it that shows you for your true personality.
Most here so far have not agreed with the OP views but very few have resulted in insults to make a point.

Yes rules are there for a reason and they have not been broken. A phrase does not become rude just because you decide it is. Some love to mount their high horse and act offended, others... well water off a duck's back.

It is a far worse thing to take offense than to give it (esp. when a joke was intended).

What does that say about your "true" personality?

 

[smokey]

The brains falling out comment was meant to be a bit of a joke. Quite witty I thought.

But then I'm not amongst the "I find that rude/offensive/insulting" crowd. IMO It equates to whining.
Has anyone died from the swine flu vaccine yet? I'm sorry but declaring something as not safe because Joe Bloggs says he "may" have got a sore arm and a bit of an itch from it is irresponsible. As I've said before, many people are easily scared and aren't able to grasp the facts themselves. As a result this could potentially put their life and their children's lives at risk.

AND this is not a "could happen" occurence as it has happened before. The MMR scare was an absolute disgrace. People were scared for reasons bearing no scientific evidence (i.e. the rants of hysterical parents) and children became needlessly ill and some even died. If their parents had vaccinated them against the disease it would have been a different story.

There are not two sides - well there are, but only one of them has evidence to support it's claims. Deluding people into believing the possibility that there are two sides to this and it's a no contest choice between two evils, with no repurcussions, is dangerous in the extreme.

Not everyone can see through the propaganda and, sadly, a great proportion of the general public are easily seduced by conspiracy theories.

Whining or not, rules are there for a reason.
Everyone is intitled to their own oppinion its how you express it that shows you for your true personality.
Most here so far have not agreed with the OP views but very few have resulted in insults to make a point.

Yes rules are there for a reason and they have not been broken. A phrase does not become rude just because you decide it is. Some love to mount their high horse and act offended, others... well water off a duck's back.

It is a far worse thing to take offense than to give it (esp. when a joke was intended).

What does that say about your "true" personality?

That I have respect for others and dont resort to snide jokes to make myself look clever

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

The brains falling out comment was meant to be a bit of a joke. Quite witty I thought.

But then I'm not amongst the "I find that rude/offensive/insulting" crowd. IMO It equates to whining.

Has anyone died from the swine flu vaccine yet? I'm sorry but declaring something as not safe because Joe Bloggs says he "may" have got a sore arm and a bit of an itch from it is irresponsible. As I've said before, many people are easily scared and aren't able to grasp the facts themselves. As a result this could potentially put their life and their children's lives at risk.

AND this is not a "could happen" occurence as it has happened before. The MMR scare was an absolute disgrace. People were scared for reasons bearing no scientific evidence (i.e. the rants of hysterical parents) and children became needlessly ill and some even died. If their parents had vaccinated them against the disease it would have been a different story.

There are not two sides - well there are, but only one of them has evidence to support it's claims. Deluding people into believing the possibility that there are two sides to this and it's a no contest choice between two evils, with no repurcussions, is dangerous in the extreme.

Not everyone can see through the propaganda and, sadly, a great proportion of the general public are easily seduced by conspiracy theories.

Being rude and sarcasitic is not witty at all.

As for taking offence, its quite clear that your posts have been written to cause just that. Or is that me mounting my high horse again?

You could very easily have worded your posts differently but are choosing not to. Unfortunately it means any valid points you are making are being overlooked and disregarded because of your insults, which seem to be attracting more attention. What good does that do for the discussion?

 

[PreggyEggy]

Upsybetsy, I'm going to have to agree here and say your posts come across as argumentative and rude.

You are making very good points, and I agree with all of them, but the way you present yourself isn't going to make anyone change their minds. As blue_bumpkin has said, your arguments will be overlooked because of your tone and insults. Anyone reading them "on the other side" will just get angry instead of actually taking your points in and thinking about them. Then what have you accomplished?

 

[upsybetsy]

That I have respect for others and dont resort to snide jokes to make myself look clever

Wouldn't draw that conclusion myself from taking offence at somebody's joke. Blimey, if you think that one was bad you should see my joke book (that was a joke).

Being rude and sarcasitic is not witty at all.

As for taking offence, its quite clear that your posts have been written to cause just that. Or is that me mounting my high horse again?

You could very easily have worded your posts differently but are choosing not to. Unfortunately it means any valid points you are making are being overlooked and disregarded because of your insults, which seem to be attracting more attention. What good does that do for the discussion?

Not rude. Funny. Mind, with all of this dissecting of my joke, it's starting to lose it's appeal (for me anyway). Just to be clear - the charge of not being open-minded was made. The joke referred to... if you become too open-minded your brains might fall out... was a physical metaphor really and, I thought at the time, appropriate to the discussion in a light-hearted way. i.e. Being open-minded to the existence of space aliens may lead you to accept your mate's story that he's just had a pint with the Great Zog from the Andromeda Galaxy.

I speak as I find. If somebody believes something that could jeapardise their (and their children's) health, not to mention the health of others who read their posts then I will say that it is irresponsible, dangerous and totally unsubstantiated. Unfortunately this seems to make people quite angry.

My posts have not been written to cause offence, they have been blunt, but sometimes it is necessary to cut through the waffle and get straight to the point of the matter. There is a difference between showing respect for others and showing respect for their points of view. I will do, and have done, the former by all means, but I don't respect people's "right" to share unsubstantiated opinions in a bid to scare and frighten others. If they choose to then they should respect my right to illustrate why they're views are silly.

PreggyEggy - you would be right if I am guilty as charged. However, I have absolutely no clue as to why I'm being charged with being rude or offensive. Seriously, help me out here. Where on earth are all of these insults I have made??? If you can find any (aside from the joke, which I think I've explained, and it wasn't even directed at anyone in particular), well then you're a much better person than I am!

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

On the contrary I have plenty to say. I am not latching onto anything you say, primarily because you are rude. end of. I am studying immunology and pharmacology. I do not require someone to dissect the information out there for me, i am more than qualified to do that by myself, as is anyone else for that matter. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories as you put it in an earlier post and I am also pro vaccine, incase you missed that, and fully informed myself before deciding to be so. I have taken offence with your attitude and total disregard for others peoples concerns and worries about these vaccines. It would be more fitting for your cause to be more understanding and point out helpful info for them rather than making silly little jokes.

There are risks on both sides, as ive said, laughing at peoples genuine concern is rude and I see no point in wasting any more time on your posts that have been made for no other reason but to belittle the OP and anyone else not vaccinating.

I was concerned about the H1N1 vaccine before I chose to get it. It is concern due to the percentage of people, however small, who have had bad reactions. And the simple fact that it can happen.

ETA: I believe the risks of the vaccine outweigh those of not vaccinating but will not sit here and laugh at someone for not vaccinating or call them silly. It is a personal choice.

 

[Wobbles]

Upsybetsy I think your about done on this thread I think it's best you avoid here on.

Reason:

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[lisaf]

Whew, thanks admins....
moving on?

 

[blutea]

For the record tetanus vaccination in particular is well known to have certain risks of side effect if given within a certain time frame of having received it previously. This is why people are checked for when they last had a booster. Blutea if the risk of catching the disease was so utterly low given the nature of your work accident then probably you would do better diverting your attentions to suing for malpractice.

Every vaccination by it's nature carries a very low risk of encephalitis but it is very low. This is the logical risk to weigh up. Countless lives have been saved by vaccination programmes and this lobby without scientific evidence is jeopardising everyone's lives, vaccinated or not, due to the increased risk of mutation and then epi- or indeed pandemic. In the other thread blutea told me she thinks herd immunsation is a socialist principle. I think this rather demonstrates her motivation.

I have no desire to sue anyone. I reported it and that is all I was interested in doing. Mistakes happen and I have a right to speak about it. The only good that suing would do is force unneeded expense and take tax dollars. My injury is not everyone elses fault and I don't want the governments money. Money is not my aim.

I'm not sure what you are refering to when you state, "In the other thread blutea told me she thinks herd immunsation is a socialist principle. I think this rather demonstrates her motivation."? Can you please explain what you mean rather than just pointing a finger at me?

 

[blutea]

I suppose you'll be posting next week that you've discovered a gap in the theory of evolution that proves God exists.

That's a sarcastic, childish statement.

 

[blutea]

I do not dismiss vaccine. I'm just not fooled by all the pro vaccine hype and propaganda. I think it's important to be opened minded and to recognize that there are two sides to the issue. However, that does not mean everyone will agree.

Show me the warning packets and the list of known reactions available from reputable sources that you are refering to.

By all means be open-minded but not so open-minded your brains fall out!

There aren't two sides to the issue there is scientific fact and evidence versus unfounded hysteria and scaremongering.

Yet another series of sarcastic, childish statements.

 

[PeanutBean]

You're being very defensive blutea, I didn't say money was your aim just that given your explanation of the circumstances it sounds like malpractice. As I said.

In the other thread you said as above in a negative way which rather implied that the good of society is not foremost in your mind.

 

[blutea]

You're being very defensive blutea, I didn't say money was your aim just that given your explanation of the circumstances it sounds like malpractice. As I said.

In the other thread you said as above in a negative way which rather implied that the good of society is not foremost in your mind.

Thank you for the legal advice but I am not interested in suing. I was not asked if I had had previous boosters but I believe it was an unintentional mistake. In case your interested, my last vaccine prior to my vaccine injury was when I was about 12 years old and I believe it was the MMR. I don't think I had had a Tetanus shot since I was very small.

The good of my family is my first priority.

 

[blutea]

I know some feel very strongly about these issues but there isnt a need to get personal.

I dont know if this has already been discussed but to the OP do you plan on getting your children their baby jabs?

My son was vaccinated, on time, to 12 months. During the course of these vaccines he had numerous adverse reactions and they were only getting worse. Due to my history of vaccine injury and seeing his reactions we chose to stop vaccinating him. I have noticed a significant improvement in his health since then. We are aware of the risks of disease and are prepared if and when he contracts an illness.

In case anyone is interested, I am thankful for medical advances (I just don't agree that they are all for the best, for all people) and we would be willing to take our son to the hospital if he needed the care. I felt I needed to say this because several individuals seemed to imply that I would avoid anything medical and man made and risk of my family's lives. I would not sacrafic my son to avoid medical intervention.

 

[blutea]

Upsybetsy I think your about done on this thread I think it's best you avoid here on.

Reason:

Rudeness, flaming or trolling is not tolerated on, or about, BabyandBump or its members. Any member who is intentionally disruptive may have their account restricted or banned without warning.

Bolded text does apply to your activity on this thread.

Thank you so much Wobbles!

Upsybetsy...

 

[hopeandpray]

I've heard a lot of negative things about the H1N1 vaccine and I didn't get one last year and will not be getting one this year. Honestly, I haven't have a flu shot in about 4 or 5 years and have not had the flu, ever so to me, these vaccines aren't really necessary if you're healthy. As for the H1N1 vaccine, I don't think enough research has really gone into producing it, so I'll have to say no thanks.
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i had swine flu and trust me a poke in the arm would have been much nicer, as for the lack of research going into the vaccine it couldn't have been any less than any other vaccine as the virus mutates every year so the vaccine is new every year too

 

[aob1013]

Upsybetsy I think your about done on this thread I think it's best you avoid here on.

Reason:

Rudeness, flaming or trolling is not tolerated on, or about, BabyandBump or its members. Any member who is intentionally disruptive may have their account restricted or banned without warning.

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Thank you so much Wobbles!

Upsybetsy...[/QUOTE]

Didn't you just have a go at her for being sarcastic and childish?

 

[AriannasMama]

Are vaccines not required for children to go to school in the UK? Children cant even attend pre-school here without being vaccinated.

I don't even want to get into the pro/anti-vaccine thing, lol. WAY too heated in my opinion.