Who has circumcised their little boy?

[PepsiChic]

Wasn't directed at you

It was a general post.

its ok, i understand!

i just wanted to make sure people understood that the pain thing shouldnt be something used to target or make people feel like bad parents, because thats not the reason i brought it up at all!

as for mutilation, some people feel that strongly about it, so i dont think there is any reason for people to go off on that person for saying it, it is after all their opinion and that is what this thread is about.

people may not agree with it, or think its OTT, but if that poster believes that strongly against it that that is their opinion and we should respect that like we expect them to respect our own opinions...

after all, we are all civilized, mature respectable adults are we not?

be understanding of eachothers opinions and remember that in the end when it comes to YOUR LO, its you who will decided based on your opinion, no-one elses, what they think does not affect you, or the way you choose to parent your LO.

 

[Eve]

There are many things I would love to say, but I wouldn't want to offend (I mean on many many different topics) but I don't as I don't want to hurt feelings. I hold it in and then complain to my OH lol...

I just think if you wish to be treated with respect you need to show it to others, and knowing something you might/want to say could offend or hurt feelings of people and yet you continue to do so isn't respectful and doesn't warrant respect in return.

Oh OT but I have been one busy gal today! Kayleigh was a pissy missy today, Jake a handful, got the house clean, took care of the kids, then my girls I look after overnight came, got the oldest and Jake's homework done (well helped them lol) Got them all tucked in bed, and already tended to Kayleigh waking once, on top of doing a load of laundry and taking care of the animals! OH is working late tonight so it's just been me all day. Hmmmm come to think of it, even with my posts on here quite frequently, I still have quite the life and a busy one at that!

I would prefer local or other numbing medication before general as well! General puts risks up so much more... scary thought!

 

[Vickie]

Aw shucks guys!

LOL feeling superior on a forum. How very sad. You know people like me in real life? Doubt it.

Shame you didn't address any of my points huh? Keep talking... whatever helps you sleep at night.

It's because I'm not sat at a computer jabbing away all night. Just saw your little speech on my phone. Seriously look at all your posts? Get a real life & crawl down off your pathetic web stool. All so softy softy, you don't know each other! Opinions are allowed, that's what they should be. Not pc apologies to people like you.

this is completely uncalled for. Of course you are able to express your opinion on the forum, I don't think anyone is debating that. But how is it a bad thing to take other peoples feelings and considerations into it when you do? I saw a lot of posts on here against circumcision that didn't come across as offensive.

on a side note this has been moved to the debates forum as there seems to be a (for the most part) pretty decent debate and discussion on this topic so far

Let's get it back on topic please, and as always the same rules apply here as to the rest of the forum:

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[NeyNey]

It's a shame we have to act like a school yard when it comes to debates of any kind of serious nature on this forum. Anyone would think we're a bunch of school kids sometimes!


Anyway, no I am not getting my son done. My DH is and he said he didnt' want him done either.

But each to their own....I just don't feel it's necessary to do any kind of medical procedure on him unless it proves vital....And this, IMO is not a vital necessity

With that said, everyone is different and I hold nothing at all against those who choose to do so.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Thanks vickie xx

 

[November1984]

As for methods, I see a lot of the posts here mentioning the plastibell method.
We are taking our second son in for the mogen technique w/ dorsal penile ring block after the topical anesthetic is applied so he doesn't feel the injection. The actual procedure takes under 30 seconds.
I have researched a bit and seen that the mogen technique is associated with the least about of pain and discomfort in studies, well if you are comparing it to plastibell and gomco.
https://www.birth.com.au/Circumcision/How-circumcision-is-performed?p=1
My friend's son did not even wake up when he was circ'd by the doctor we are taking our son to as well, using mogen.

Anyone have any input that has circ'd their boy w/a method other than plastibell? My first son wasn't circ'd using plastibell either.

 

[caggimedicine]

How, and why, anyone would ever put their child through pain like this is beyond me. I honestly don't know how anyone can live with themselves doing this for no medical reason whatsoever - it's barbaric.

 

[Eve]

How, and why, anyone would ever put their child through pain like this is beyond me. I honestly don't know how anyone can live with themselves doing this for no medical reason whatsoever - it's barbaric.

Lots of people do/have and will. I'm not one for it, but it will always be done, as it is part of religion, and well... if we lose that... well, we won't lol.

 

[caggimedicine]

I know lots of people do it. Doesn't make it right though! It's an appalling thing to do to a child in my opinion. Causing a child any pain at all is disgusting.

 

[redpoppy]

How, and why, anyone would ever put their child through pain like this is beyond me. I honestly don't know how anyone can live with themselves doing this for no medical reason whatsoever - it's barbaric.

To suggest it's barbaric means you see no reason behind it other than cruelty which is maybe what you are saying?

The reason people do it is because there is near to no pain involved, (with a good practitioner and local anaesthetic) because it's been practised safely for millennia, because boys aren't great at hygiene and problems can occur in later life which can cause a very memorable, painful procedure which can take a long time to heal. There are no long term psychological scars or damage or physical ones except a lack of foreskin which obviously hasn't stopped men enjoyed, craving and going just as barmy for sex and enjoying it as any non c'd man.

Of course there are many reasons to NOT have it done but to call it barbaric makes me consider it a somewhat hysterical opinion and one not based on rationality.

I actually don't know why I'm posting here anymore as I think everything that needs to be said has been said. Can someone let me know if anything new is added?

 

[caggimedicine]

Of course there are many reasons to NOT have it done but to call it barbaric makes me consider it a somewhat hysterical opinion and one not based on rationality.

I don't believe there is anything rational about cutting bits off your own baby for no reason whatsoever. And yes... I think that is barbaric.

If I cut my childs finger off and said it's because I preferred him with one less finger - is that ok? No. It's wrong.

 

[Eve]

How, and why, anyone would ever put their child through pain like this is beyond me. I honestly don't know how anyone can live with themselves doing this for no medical reason whatsoever - it's barbaric.

To suggest it's barbaric means you see no reason behind it other than cruelty which is maybe what you are saying?

The reason people do it is because there is near to no pain involved, (with a good practitioner and local anaesthetic) because it's been practised safely for millennia, because boys aren't great at hygiene and problems can occur in later life which can cause a very memorable, painful procedure which can take a long time to heal. There are no long term psychological scars or damage or physical ones except a lack of foreskin which obviously hasn't stopped men enjoyed, craving and going just as barmy for sex and enjoying it as any non c'd man.

Of course there are many reasons to NOT have it done but to call it barbaric makes me consider it a somewhat hysterical opinion and one not based on rationality.

I actually don't know why I'm posting here anymore as I think everything that needs to be said has been said. Can someone let me know if anything new is added?

Again

 

[Eve]

We've heard it already, but finger was ear... and it's totally different... lol

Again, I don't believe in it, and I wouldn't want it done to my son, but I understand and am open and understanding of others.

 

[redpoppy]

Of course there are many reasons to NOT have it done but to call it barbaric makes me consider it a somewhat hysterical opinion and one not based on rationality.

I don't believe there is anything rational about cutting bits off your own baby for no reason whatsoever. And yes... I think that is barbaric.

If I cut my childs finger off and said it's because I preferred him with one less finger - is that ok? No. It's wrong.

Because cutting off a finger can be done quite painlessly with a local anaesthetic in your home by a specialist and if people don't have their fingers cut off near birth there is a chance of a finger needing to be cut off if not cleaned properly at a later stage which is far more painful and memorable and takes longer to heal. There's also a small percentage improvement of getting certain types of finger related illnesses if you cut the finger off at birth including finger cancer. And since having one less finger is very common and practiced over the world and has been done for millennia since no one really noticed the practical differences between nine fingers and ten. And people who regularly have one less finger because it was cut off by their parents go on to live normal and healthy lives just like everyone else and have no issues with cutting their own children's fingers off once it's been done to them.

Still sound like the same thing?

 

[coccyx]

awful. Its his foreskin let him decide what to do with it. Don't believe it doesn't hurt , how can it not?. As for religious reasons, he may not even wish to follow that religion when given facts and makes his own mind up!
And as for being cleaner??? wash it !!!

 

[caggimedicine]

awful. Its his foreskin let him decide what to do with it. Don't believe it doesn't hurt , how can it not?. As for religious reasons, he may not even wish to follow that religion when given facts and makes his own mind up!
And as for being cleaner??? wash it !!!

Exactly! It makes you wonder how the human race has survived for so long without this procedure being applied to all boys!

 

[Eve]

When a faith is strong, you teach your children, and they usually follow...

Have you even seen a circ done? I haven't either, but read through the thread and see the posts from Moms who have had their LO's done, some say their LO slept through it! My LO didn't sleep through her blood work... because it hurt. Yes it may hurt some, but it's not this terrible, barbaric, sadistic ritual done! Not the kind we are talking about anyways :doh:

 

[caggimedicine]

When a faith is strong, you teach your children, and they usually follow...

Have you even seen a circ done? I haven't either, but read through the thread and see the posts from Moms who have had their LO's done, some say their LO slept through it! My LO didn't sleep through her blood work... because it hurt. Yes it may hurt some, but it's not this terrible, barbaric, sadistic ritual done! Not the kind we are talking about anyways :doh:

I think it's just the fact that it is medically unnecessary and causes pain. So - you're basically putting your child through pain that is not needed. However anyone dresses that up to justify it to themselves is up to them - but that's the bare bones of it.

 

[PepsiChic]

Because cutting off a finger can be done quite painlessly with a local anaesthetic in your home by a specialist and if people don't have their fingers cut off near birth there is a chance of a finger needing to be cut off if not cleaned properly at a later stage which is far more painful and memorable and takes longer to heal.

Cleanliness is NOT a problem. Using it as an excuse or trying to use it to justify circumsision is the wrong thing do. In the UK only jewish and those for medical reasons are circumsied, its not a routine thing.

If cleanliness was such a problem, we'd of heard about it in the UK. NO man i know had a problem with cleaning his penis properly. There were no nasty smells, infections or mouldy bits. Maybe, because the UK dont routinely circumsise, the parents are more educated? Maybe they know how to clean a penis properly?

Either way its not hard to learn as a parent, and its certainly not hard to teach a little boy. Its a case of teaching "leave it alone" and then when it can be retracted to gently retract the foreskin and rinse with plain water in the bathtub/shower. difficult? nope.

awful. Its his foreskin let him decide what to do with it. Don't believe it doesn't hurt , how can it not?. As for religious reasons, he may not even wish to follow that religion when given facts and makes his own mind up! And as for being cleaner??? wash it !!!

most children, if they are brought up by parents of the same religion, will follow that religion without choice. Unless when older they choose to denounce their religion.

I think it's just the fact that it is medically unnecessary and causes pain. So - you're basically putting your child through pain that is not needed. However anyone dresses that up to justify it to themselves is up to them - but that's the bare bones of it.

 

[aliss]

The "cleanliness" issue bothers me too. Do cultures/countries that circumsize really think that it is more hygienic to cut off part of the penis? I mean come on, why would you not teach him to wash properly? Is every other man around the world dirty? No...

People can do what they want... but I find it silly to suggest that my son is less hygienic because he is not circumsized.