Acupuncture anyone?

[Belgrove]

Hey holls I'm good! Don't be feeling like you are out already! Sure look at me I was convinced I defo wasn't pregnant but turned out I was!
Kimmy and Belgrove I'm from the North. Can understand the crap weather getting you down alright! Saying that the weather has been great this week. Been out in as much as possible!!! Ladyk you've maybe not had ovulation pain because of the acupuncture. The cycle I got pregnant with dd I didn't get any ovulation pain and the tcm practitioner told me it was as a result of the acupuncture! We've decided to tell sil and her partner tomorrow. We were going to try and keep it a secret but I can't be bothered with all the cloak and dagger stuff.
xox

Jen, I am actually from the north, have been living here since I met my DH!

It's a small world!

 

[Kimmy74]

I'm seeing a woman in Greystones, let hope our ttc journey is short for both of us. Jen how long were you ttc? I have age against me too but I'm still staying positive.

 

[Belgrove]

I'm seeing a woman in Greystones, let hope our ttc journey is short for both of us. Jen how long were you ttc? I have age against me too but I'm still staying positive.

Have been ttc for 5 years now! I am 31 but DH is 43! But time can slip away very fast!

We have to stay positive!

 

[holls147]

Well the just got me, a whole 10 dpo. This might be my worst and shortest cycle yet. Seriously debating whether to continue with acupuncture next cyclr or switch practitioners or what. I'll for sure stop those herbs. Sorry I don't have anything good to report

 

[Belgrove]

Well the just got me, a whole 10 dpo. This might be my worst and shortest cycle yet. Seriously debating whether to continue with acupuncture next cyclr or switch practitioners or what. I'll for sure stop those herbs. Sorry I don't have anything good to report

Hi there Holls,

I am CD 3 now, I also had my shortest cycle for the first time in 5 years - 26 days. The only thing it could be is the acu & herbs???
I am going to discuss it with practitioner on Wed when I go back again!

 

[holls147]

ok So I went to completely all fertility acupuncture clinic today that has very high success rates. I brought her my herbs and she said it was the herbs from other practitioner that caused my af to come so early. The herb I was taking was for heat release, and this new practitioner told me you should never give heat releasing herbs to ttc women, especially ones with low progesterone, like me! Sheesh! I am so pissed off! Too bad I can't afford her at $500 up front, $120 consult and $80 per treatment after that.

Oh she also told me that has 100% success rate in achieving pregnancy when her patients are doing herbs, acu and western meds, even though most of doctors tell you not to take the herbs while taking fertility drugs. Crazy.

So I'm stopping that herb and I'm going to take some different ones instead.

Ugh what a pain in the ass!!

Belgrove did you temp? Do you know what herb you were on?

 

[LadyK]

Hey holls I'm good! Don't be feeling like you are out already! Sure look at me I was convinced I defo wasn't pregnant but turned out I was!
Kimmy and Belgrove I'm from the North. Can understand the crap weather getting you down alright! Saying that the weather has been great this week. Been out in as much as possible!!! Ladyk you've maybe not had ovulation pain because of the acupuncture. The cycle I got pregnant with dd I didn't get any ovulation pain and the tcm practitioner told me it was as a result of the acupuncture! We've decided to tell sil and her partner tomorrow. We were going to try and keep it a secret but I can't be bothered with all the cloak and dagger stuff.
xox

That's useful to know thanks that maybe I wouldn't feel any O pain. I'll ask my acupuncturist when I go back on Wednesday. Only 2 sessions left! Can't decide whether to carry on or not!

 

[Kimmy74]

LadyK how many sessions have you had.

Reallys sorry to hear about the crap you've had to go through Holls, it is a pain in the ass, jesus, now I'm worried. My acu just put me on vit d and fish oils. I don't know about her success rates but I thought I really clicked with her. Shame the one you looked into is so expensive, 500 up front is mad, do you get anything for that?

 

[holls147]

Thanks Kimmy. For the $500 you got $20 off your sessions after that, so you would pay $80 per session instead of $100. And she wants to see you 8 times per month. It's mad. So I would need like $3,000 to get 3 months of treatment with her. But she knows her stuff.

Kimmy you should be *fine* with Fish Oil and Vitamin D. No harm. These were some Chinese herbs she had me on, and I swear I started to feel super cold all the time. And I was only taking half the dose because I wasn't sure about them. Wonder what my cycle would have been like if I had taken the full dose. Sheesh.

Lady k- I would just go if I were you. Especially if you have already paid the treatment?

I will still continue acupuncture this cycle, I'm just not taking those herbs. Maybe I'll find a separate herbalist later. I'm just going to take my own herb cocktail this month

I'll be getting my HSG this week so I'm releived that will be over soon. Maybe I can get it on Friday so I can have the day off and watch the 'Royal Wedding!" haha How do you gals in the UK feel about that wedding?

 

[Kimmy74]

Sorry Holls didn't quite get what you said about the fish oil and vit d, is that what she had you on that stuffed things around for you?
I think the vit d will help with me seasonal effective disorder, here in gloomy ole ireland, and the fish oil is an anti inflammatory to help with my endometriosis.
I can't believe the amount she expects people to pay, I don't care how good she is you can't take advantage of people ttc and desparate like that, I think its terrible. It will happen without all that. If you want a change go to a specialist for acupuncture fertility but that was ridiculous.

Belgrove I'm reaaaaaally sorry its been such a long journey for you, do you have some underlying fertility issues. I've got my fingers crossed for you.

I think I'm out this month girls, I've had one session of acu, and did soy iso, oh and its my first month post HSG (tubes clear) and lap to remove very mild endo. They say the first 6-9 months post are the best to get preg after but I guess its just not my time. I'm 13 dpo and go a bfn on internet strip 10 iu. I ovulated 2-4 days late due to the iso so am not expecting my af for another day or so. I was having af/endo pain but I have to admit its not so bad, maybe he really did clear out all my endo. Anyway I still do feel that af is coming and just don't feel preggo. No harm giving my body another month to recover from the surgery.

Hope everyone is well. x

 

[holls147]

Sorry bad typer here! I meant to say your vitamins should be fine.

 

[Belgrove]

Hi Holls,

No I am not sure what I am taking, I was given 2 types until my AF finished and then switched to 2 others.. (alternate days). I know that she is treating me for Spleen Deficiency & Liver QI Deficiency.
One thing that she said to me was that (sorry if tmi) brown, heavy, clotty periods was one of the biggest things that she sees, and she can treat. She has also told me to cut out all alcohol (esp red wine), white flour, sugar an cut down red meat and up fish intake. I am back for 2nd session tomorrow.

That sounds very expensive holls, i 2nd what Kimmy said - it is crazy how people can take advantage of people ttc.

Kimmy,
Thanks, I have nothing that I am aware off - have had US, thyroid, internal scan, bloods etc done!!! We had our 1st appt with CFC last month. DH had a SA done the same day (which he lost most of the sample). FS said that his count was lowish, but have later found out that this can be due to spillage). We were told to come back in 3 months for another test. And that if it was similar or the same we would have to have ICSI.
I was very upset at this as I have not had a lap done yet - so i would imagine I would have to have that done before going with ICSI... It makes me mad as they are just putting my life on hold! and of course the money each appt costs.

My acu lady told me to hold off on getting the lap test done as she is treating me. SHe seems t really know her stuff - I have - as she requested - handed it over to her...

I really hope that your AF does not show..

Hope all you other girls are well!

 

[Jocr]

hi ladies
quick hello and hope your ok, i have been away from work so not on pc.
am going on a mini glamping holiday today so wont be on again till tuesday.
sorry to here about that Holls, hopefully get it all sorted soon.
i feel like AF is gunna come early, my boobs hurt so much. have done two early preg tests but got negs.
I am wondering if my lady has made my cycle shorter too as i normally wouldnt get AF symptons for a while yet. I will let you know when im back.
lots of luck and
Jo xx

 

[holls147]

Maybe I shouldn't give up on it yet, maybe it's just part of the cycle getting sorted out. But from you what you guys say about your practinioners it seems like mine doesn't as much about ttc and fertility. Although she's helped me stress and sleeping which is great, but it stinks that my cycle got messed up in the meantime. To me it seems like it should have have gotten better.

Belgrove- love that riding pic! I used to ride english and totally loved it. Wish I could pick it up again! Also I was given two types of herbs too, one for the first part of my cycle and then other one was to be taken in the second part. It's the second one that did me in. Maybe the first one too as I ovulated 3-4 days later than normal and had no ewcm.

This month I'm taking red clover until ovulation, royal jelly until ovulation. after period I'll start taking false unicorn root, red raspberry tea and progesterone cream. These seem to be herbs that can help with what I have, low progesterone and low end estrogen. Quite the cocktail!

Jocr- good luck! have fun on your holiday. Do your boobs normally hurt?

 

[Kimmy74]

Hi everyone, had my second session of acu today. As my AF is due and its only 2nd cycle post surgery (and still getting endo related pain) we focused on the pain. It was strange as I felt completely relaxed, had it been any longer I would have fallen asleep! I was getting a twinge of pain during the session which was gone by the time I finished. Over all my pre AF pain is pretty good, I'm feeling quite positive about it all. She put me on EPO 2000mg from bleed to ov to increase the ewcm as I don't get much.

So now she has me on High dose fish oil, EPO, prenatal and Vit D3. So far we have been working on my anxiety and the pain, it will be interesting to see what she has planned closer to ovulation. She's convinced me to not use my CBFM this month and stay off the soy. Basically she said to try to bd every 2 days from about day cd 8 to cd 20. Now she does not specialise in fertility but knows her stuff. Although I am using acu to increase my chances of ttc I am more focused on getting my endometriosis and anxiety under control, everything else will just fall into place.

Holls, you really seem uncertain, maybe it wouldn't be any harm to go see someone else. I just really clicked with mine. If it doesn't feel right it probably isn't. I know where I live there are acupuncturists that do specialise in fertility but don't expect an arm and a leg from you. Maybe you could just find one like that. I just think for the money we pay you want to feel secure in what you are doing, I also think that it may take more than a month or 2. Was it the REALLY expensive place that told you the herbs were no good. I think they are more money hungry than anything. Anyone that sprouts they have a 100% success rate is full of shit too. That is impossible. Not only that they shouldn't be going around saying that what other practitioners do is not the right thing. Thats like going to a GP and them suggesting the previous GP's plan of action was all wrong, they just don't do it unless its gross negligence. They have respect for each other. All I'm saying is go with your gut feeling. You need to feel good within yourself when tackling this tcc thing. I just know that from 2 sessions with mine she touched on things I never had expected from an acupuncturist. She's made me focus on things and realise what I need to do to help myself not just to become pregnant. Hope you're ok. Don't mean to sound like a teacher or anything, god I hope I didn't come across like that. You know whats right for you. So go grab it by the balls. xo

Hi Jocr, how long are your cycle's normally, is a shorter cycle a good thing or a bad thing? By the way I have one really sore boob and one really good boob, go figure! haha

Belgrove, I am 1 month post my laparoscopy where they found only 3 spots of endometriosis. This condition apparently leaves the environment in a toxic acidic state that makes conception more difficult. I'm 36 and never had it in my life before 5 months ago. Strange I know. I just started getting pain that became worse and was present all day every day. My symptoms were huge for the tiny amount of endo they found. Though many women have no symptoms whatsoever, it doesn't get discovered until they do a lap for unexplained infertility. Now I'm no doctor, but in your shoes I would prob get the lap done for my own piece of mind. 5 yrs is a long time ttc without any answers. How old are you and have you had any pregnancies bet it chemical or mc's? I'm not saying you have endo and if you've had ultrasounds it would show up any cysts or other nasties so you're probably safe there, but endo does not show up on u/s as you prob already know. I got totally obsessed with it as I was in pain everyday. A huge indication is that you spot for a day or 2 before AF actually arrives. This only happened to me twice. As a nurse I went to different GP's as the first told me it doesn't just come on in women my age. I went to different departments in the hospital I work in and booked myself in for U/S's, blood tests & Physio, as it really presented as bad back pain for me. Finally I called the secretary of one of our gynaecologists and begged her to get me in asap. First time talking to the gynae, he said yep, sounds like endo. NO ONE ELSE THOUGHT IT WAS or would listen to me. I'm just so glad I had it done. Here I am 1 month on, procedure was a day case and although I still have pain, I feel much more in control and no where near as depressed as I was. I suffered bad back pain, period like burning pain in my front all month long. Pain in my groins. Spotting day b4 af for 2 months. Periods stayed regular, blood tests all normal, still ovulated. Guess that was because it was only mild endo, but they say 10 percent of women have it, crazy! Anyway whatever your decisions, I really wish you the best of luck and will follow your journey with interest, just hopefully it won't be for 5 yrs,

 

[LadyK]

Not been on for a few days (slap wrists), lots going on with you all! Will answer the questions that were asked of me …

I have paid in advance for my 10 acu sessions and I have 2 left (1 tonight and 1 next Tuesday). Definitely going to those, it's deciding whether to go after that or not. We're off on holiday next Wednesday (with a pregnant person ... oh and AF due when we're away ... and SIL having 20 week scan and will find out baby's sex also whilst we’re away), so assuming no BFP, think we will take stock over that month with no Clomid and no Acu, and decide what to do next.

I read yours posts about endo with interest. I had a lap in December 2009. I had no pain or anything, it was following an ultrasound I had done at the hospital as part of my fertility check-up. Anyway they found a 5cm cyst on the u/s (hence the lap), both my ovaries were stuck to bits they shouldn’t have been, and I had quite a bit of endo! I was oblivious! So just shows you don’t have to have pain etc to have some things wrong down there! Anyway they sorted everything out and the dye test was clear, just a shame that I still haven’t managed to conceive post the lap & dye!

Just wondering whether anyone could ask their acupuncturists about pregnancy and flying in the early stages? You may remember me mentioning my acupuncturist telling me it wasn’t a good idea if I found out I was pregnant before I went on holiday to then go on holiday. Holls I know you were going to ask but I’m sure with what’s happened you didn’t get a chance. Not to worry, but if anyone else can ask (before next Wednesday) I would be grateful thank you!

Well better go my appointment is in 45 minutes! Should get the moxa and the heat lamp tonight!

 

[holls147]

I'm just not sure what to do. Feel like just stopping everything again, maybe it's just not meant to be for me? I have my HSG today and if it's clear they'll consider doing a lap as well.

Kimmy- I totally forgot to ask! But she knew I was going to be flying during my tww 2 cycles ago and didn't advise me against it so, so she must not think it's bad.

 

[LadyK]

I'm just not sure what to do. Feel like just stopping everything again, maybe it's just not meant to be for me? I have my HSG today and if it's clear they'll consider doing a lap as well.

Kimmy- I totally forgot to ask! But she knew I was going to be flying during my tww 2 cycles ago and didn't advise me against it so, so she must not think it's bad.

Hi Holls, it was me who asked! That's interesting that you weren't told anything, as I assumed all acupuncturists had the same opinions. I had another email from my acupuncturist this morning (I saw her last night) reiterating the no flying which has stressed me out all over again!

 

[holls147]

HSG all clear! That's good news I guess. Didn't hurt at all.

Does anyone else ever weird coloration around the point where the needles get put in? I have what looks like big donut shaped bruised on my leg where I had a needle last night. Weird?!

 

[holls147]

Ops sorry lady K. Sorry! I'm always rushing when I'm on here.

That's so weird about the flying?! What cycle day will you be on?