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Any Soy Ladies out there?

I took 120mg the first time = BFP. I took 120mg the seconds time = anovulatory. I took 200mg the third time = BFP. I took 200mg the fourth time = super late or no ovulation. I took 200mg the fifth time = super late or no ovulation... leaning toward super late with shite progesterone levels. :shrug:

Do you O without the soy? If so really late or what?

Just seems like sometimes the soy works for you and sometimes it doesnt so I was just wondering.

Im finally starting to spot brown very lightly and cramping so hopefully this means AF will be here soon so I can finally get back to ttc. Im just trying to decided on if I should take the soy or not. Im wondering if I should try it to get a stronger/earlier O, or just not bother, because I would evenutally O, it would just be late like CD30, but I did get preggo when I O'd that late. (Hopefully this next cycle will be straightened out enough I would actually O)

For those of you who O on your own just late... has it actually moved O day up or just make you have a stronger O?

I can't 100% say that it didn't work. The anovulatory cycle looked like I ovulated, but AF never showed... So, I had assumed it was anovulatory. However, after my appointment today, I'm not sure. As far as it working sometimes and not others, my BFP's both resulted in MC... So, my body just hasn't been the same since. I can't expect it to be. I guess I should have expressed the months that I took it...

1st time = Sept... blighted ovum found in Dec, forced bleed
2nd time = Dec... cycle I assumed was anovulatory, but maybe not actually, started AF in Feb after forcing the bleed again
3rd time = Feb... blighted ovum found in May, forced bleed
4th time = May... Possible ovulation on CD28 but forced bleed before realizing
5th time = June... Ovulated on CD25 but body has started a new cycle without a proper bleed according to my temps

So, it would be foolish of me to assume that everything should work perfectly after 2 long, drawn out MC's in 1 year. MC unrelated to Soy... progesterone levels are rubbish! :( It will be treated soon though.
 
hey megg i c it says u found some anwsers...what anwsers would those be ?i hope its good!
 
:hi: girls fx megg you will have your bfp soon why you no what wrong hun xxx
 
I can't 100% say that it didn't work. The anovulatory cycle looked like I ovulated, but AF never showed... So, I had assumed it was anovulatory. However, after my appointment today, I'm not sure. As far as it working sometimes and not others, my BFP's both resulted in MC... So, my body just hasn't been the same since. I can't expect it to be. I guess I should have expressed the months that I took it...

1st time = Sept... blighted ovum found in Dec, forced bleed
2nd time = Dec... cycle I assumed was anovulatory, but maybe not actually, started AF in Feb after forcing the bleed again
3rd time = Feb... blighted ovum found in May, forced bleed
4th time = May... Possible ovulation on CD28 but forced bleed before realizing
5th time = June... Ovulated on CD25 but body has started a new cycle without a proper bleed according to my temps

So, it would be foolish of me to assume that everything should work perfectly after 2 long, drawn out MC's in 1 year. MC unrelated to Soy... progesterone levels are rubbish! :( It will be treated soon though.


Im sorry for your losses. My body is still trying to get back to normal after a natual miscarraige in June at 8 weeks. I have been spotting brown for 3 days now so hopefully AF will show her ugly face so I can start a new cycle and hopefully ovulate this time.
 
Okay girls I need Help!! I called my dr to see if I could get something to start my cycle since its been almost 6 weeks since my miscarraige. I have had brown spotting for 4 days now, first day super light, and last 3 just when I wipe but more and my dr thinks this brown spotting is AF!! So that would mean Im probably CD3, she said count my cycle days from the spotting because its probably all I will have since my lining shed completely during m/c.

I want to try soy this cycle to have a stronger/earlier O. I was planning on taking it CD3-7 should I start today? Do you really think this is CD3? The only thing confusing me is that my cervix is high and a lil soft and shouldnt it be low and firm during the begining of the cycle? I need advice please!!
 
Megg~ So glad you have the answers you need. It's amazing to me how we are women from all walks of life from all areas of the world and we come together with the goal to support and inform one another. I thank you and all the Ladies here on this Board for that.:hugs:

Today is CD5 and I will start my soy tonight. I'll let you know at the end of the month how it affected me.:thumbup:
 
hey megg i c it says u found some anwsers...what anwsers would those be ?i hope its good!

Oops! I totally meant to update in here too! I'll post the long version at the end of this post, but I have a severe progesterone deficiency. It will be easily fixed, but not until I see my new fertility specialist on the 28th of this month. Until then, I'm to have a natural, non-TTC cycle and lose as much weight as possible between now and then. So, I'm off Soy... probably for good. It served me well though. But I expect I'll have other drugs to use after the 28th, and my next bean won't be a soy bean! :(

:hi: girls fx megg you will have your bfp soon why you no what wrong hun xxx

Thanks, hun! I definitely think I have a real chance now!

I can't 100% say that it didn't work. The anovulatory cycle looked like I ovulated, but AF never showed... So, I had assumed it was anovulatory. However, after my appointment today, I'm not sure. As far as it working sometimes and not others, my BFP's both resulted in MC... So, my body just hasn't been the same since. I can't expect it to be. I guess I should have expressed the months that I took it...

1st time = Sept... blighted ovum found in Dec, forced bleed
2nd time = Dec... cycle I assumed was anovulatory, but maybe not actually, started AF in Feb after forcing the bleed again
3rd time = Feb... blighted ovum found in May, forced bleed
4th time = May... Possible ovulation on CD28 but forced bleed before realizing
5th time = June... Ovulated on CD25 but body has started a new cycle without a proper bleed according to my temps

So, it would be foolish of me to assume that everything should work perfectly after 2 long, drawn out MC's in 1 year. MC unrelated to Soy... progesterone levels are rubbish! :( It will be treated soon though.


Im sorry for your losses. My body is still trying to get back to normal after a natual miscarraige in June at 8 weeks. I have been spotting brown for 3 days now so hopefully AF will show her ugly face so I can start a new cycle and hopefully ovulate this time.

Thanks! :hugs: I'm sorry about yours as well. Try to be patient with yourself. Its hard, I know! But, your body is recovering as much as your heart is.

Long version of my update behind the spoiler tag... because its very long:

I got to my doc's office at 10:25am. There were 2 guys and one woman with 2 children who she didn't seem to need to have any control over waiting already. I really thought I'd never get to see her, as I figured I'd already be in prison for slaying the stupid woman and her obnoxious kids. They were jumping on the chairs, running around, trying to climb the wall while holding on to the receptionist's ledge, panting like dogs, flipping over chairs, playing some "game" where they would hold their hands up to their eyes like binoculars and ask each other "Are you in 1 piece or 2 pieces?" and whatever the other one said was always the wrong answer... This game is very loud, and it went on forever. One of them proceeded to go to the parking lot alone (at maybe 7?) and came back in spilling an entire McDonald's breakfast platter on the floor... pancakes, hashbrown, eggs, etc. Some poor girl came in right after me who had a 10:30am appointment and sat through all of this too. The 2 guys got called in, but I got called in before the woman with the kids or the girl with an appointment... odd, but okay. It was 11:30am I think? So, not ages, but felt like ages.

Anyway, the nurse comes in to do blood pressure and temp and says to me "Do you not have a gynecologist set up yet?" I told her that I didn't have one I liked at the moment. Keep in mind, my paperwork stated my reason for the visit was "discuss lab results" because that was part of it. Anyway, she then says, "Well, you need to get that done, because she can't keep doing this. It isn't her job." She's referring to my doctor, in case you wondered. Odd... Its not my doctor's job to discuss my test results with me? Because, I think it might be!

Well, my blood pressure was 149/84. I wonder why! I was annoyed with the kids, fuming about what the nurse said... OF COURSE IT WAS HIGH!

My doctor comes in and is perfectly nice. I keep my thoughts about the nurse to myself, because I didn't want to taint the appointment with that at the very beginning. First, I explain that I've been eating better and trying to be more active to no avail (my 10lb loss seems to fluctuate on the day... some days its 10lbs, some days its 1lb... I think my scale sucks). Anyway, we talked about that for a bit. She said that she thinks I might be gaining some muscle mass, which I doubt... but it was nice to hear. Then, she said that she also thought I might be retaining some water because of the weather, so I had probably lost even if the scale wasn't showing it. We moved on from there for the moment.

Then, I asked about the 2nd fertility clinic referral. She said they won't even return her calls anymore. So, that's out. She said that some specialty places here (fertility clinics, child psychologists, etc) only accept referrals from ONE of the 3 hospitals. So, they're probably ignoring her because she's not with their "preferred" hospital. What a bunch of shit. Anyway, I told her about the FS I hated leaving the clinic I'd been to and some new guy taking over. She asked me to call right then and get a consult scheduled, so I did. I have an appointment on Aug 28 @ 10:30am.

I asked her about my progesterone level and showed her my chart. She said that she actually wondered if it had been done on the wrong day, because my level was almost double what it had been every other time it was checked. After seeing my chart, she said without question that I had it done 3 days too late. She agrees 100% that I did ovulate and my level barely rises afterward. She confirmed that it could have caused everything, because it probably didn't ever rise enough to sustain an embryo past the very, very beginning stage and never got high enough to have the sharp drop required to instigate the bleed. She all but said "mystery solved." She also agreed with me splitting my chart and calling this CD4, even though there was no bleed other than the super light spotting. Apparently, there wouldn't be much to shed since I probably didn't form much of a lining anyway. So, I really did have it all figured out! :thumbup: Maybe I should just get the degree to make my life easier. :winkwink: Although, she wants to wait for the FS to prescribe the progesterone supplements, because she said they would know more about the dosage and whatnot.

Anyway, we touched back on the weight thing, and she asked if I'd consider not trying this cycle and going back on Phentermine. Well, with the FS appointment coming up, I didn't really want to try this cycle anyway, because I don't have my post-O progesterone supplements... So, it would just end in heartbreak again anyway. Obviously, I agreed right away. Phentermine is how I lost the weight before, so I'm more than happy to do it that way again. She stressed that I absolutely couldn't TTC while taking it, but the paperwork tells a different story and my old OB/GYN who prescribed it said it would be fine. So, I'm not quite convinced, even though I'm perfectly happy with not trying this cycle.

So, I do feel like I got somewhere. I feel like I have the answer I needed. Knowing that I wasn't talking nonsense about the test being done the wrong day and whatnot feels really good. I'm also glad she isn't so closed-minded that the number on the paper is the end-all-be-all of things... That she wasn't so high and mighty (like so many doctors are) to admit that there are flaws in blood tests because of human error. She was absolutely certain that I had it right though... She said she absolutely didn't believe I hadn't ovulated. So, I did ovulate on CD25... and I had a fairly normal cycle... other than terrible freaking progesterone levels.

I mentioned the estrogen dominance thing, and she doesn't think that's what I'm dealing with. So, we didn't go any further into that option.

All in all, I came away very happy. I didn't quite get what I hoped for, but I got something better! I got my freaking answer! I'm quite certain as to why I've lost my babies... and I think we can now prevent it from happening again for the same reason! Obviously, something can always go wrong that's not within our control, but I will NEVER allow another to be lost due to insufficient progesterone levels! I feel so free, vindicated, hopeful... but I do feel a bit sad that I didn't have a chance to prove it before losing the 2nd one, as I was pretty sure that this was the problem even back then... even before losing the first one! It was just that no one would listen to me! :growlmad:

Either way... I have my answer now... I can't live in the past! Apparently I needed to live through what I've lived through to be allowed to find my answer. So, that's the way it is and I can move forward... ONWARD AND UPWARD!

Sorry that this was a novel... but it is! LOL Thanks for the love and support! I couldn't do it without all of you! :hugs:
 
Megg I am so glad you got some answers! It sounds like you have a really great dr. :thumbup: Hopefully now once you are back to ttc again you will get a super sticky bean real soon.
 
Thanks! I'll keep you all updated, even if I'm jumping ship on the Soy. It really did serve me well, and I loved it compared to the Clomid! I believe I wouldn't have even conceived my 2 little beans if it weren't for the Soy. My body just sort of failed them. However, it was the loss of the both of them that allowed me to find out how to save my future beans. For that, I'm forever grateful!

I wish you all the best of luck, and I really will still be around to answer questions and whatnot. :hugs:
 
Glad you got some answers, Megg. Now that you know what your body's doing, I'm sure you'll get your sticky BFP in no time!!
 
Well I started the soy today. Took 100 mgs, plan to take it CD3-7.

Should I start opks earlier? If so when do you recommend? Normally I dont O until CD30.

I'll let you all know how it works out for me.
 
You should start OPKs about 3 days after your last dose... So, CD10! :)
 
Anyone doing soy notice that it raised your temp? Ive taken it two days now, going to take my third in about an hour and this morning my temp was higher then normal.
 
It can raise your temp, although I'm not really sure how. Based on the science behind it, it shouldn't... just like Clomid shouldn't... but they definitely can! LOL

P.S. Love your avatar!
 
I am going on day 3 of my soy. I take 120mg or 3 tablets at night. First night I was hot, second night a little queasy tonight we shall see. So far so good lots of twinges but I am also feeling very "loving". I started my on CD5 and will continue thru CD 9.
 
I am going on day 3 of my soy. I take 120mg or 3 tablets at night. First night I was hot, second night a little queasy tonight we shall see. So far so good lots of twinges but I am also feeling very "loving". I started my on CD5 and will continue thru CD 9.

Good luck! I havent felt any twinges yet :( I was hoping I would be able to.
 
well didnt get my bfp off soya this month af has landed so all natural this month for me xxxxxx
 
Hi ladies, there is a lot to read here, so I'm just skimming over the thread really rather than in depth reading...

But I was wondering what is meant by "taking soy"...
How does one take soy as a supplement?

And what is it supposed to do for you?
 
Hi ladies, there is a lot to read here, so I'm just skimming over the thread really rather than in depth reading...

But I was wondering what is meant by "taking soy"...
How does one take soy as a supplement?

And what is it supposed to do for you?

Taking soy as a supplement involves taking Soy Isoflavones like Clomid. It does work for most people. If you don't need Clomid, you don't need soy. They should be considered essentially the same thing when determining if they're useful to you. Soy Isoflavones require twice the amount of a Clomid dose for the same effect... So, 100mg of Soy = 50mg of Clomid. You take it just like Clomid... usually either CD3-7 or CD5-9... although it can really be any 5 days as long as you start no later than CD5.
 

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