Anyone TTC #1 and 30 or older?

[Jezika]

Angel - I use wondfos only once a day, in the morning. Holdwise, sometimes get up to pee in the night, but usually there is at least 3 hours in-between and with me only drinking a sip or two of water. I did take a second one yesterday late afternoon just in case, but it was just as negative (on CD13). It freaks me out to see dozens and dozens of successful charts (on a thread dedicated to them - not through intense stalking, ha!) with all the ones who use OPKs showing definite positives (mostly twice - so my once-a-day thing shouldn't be a barrier?). Then again, I don't know how often they're doing them. Also, I read about a study that found most of them pretty unreliable for anyone who has moderate-to-low concentrations of LH, but it was from 2009. Not sure if they've improved then. The fact that I've never seen a negative OPK with a chart that resulted in pregnancy makes me doubt it's still an issue.

Cutestuff - Re: the female body faking us out - tell me about it. Basically anything is possible. Re: DD, that's a huge weight gain considering her birth weight! I bet she's such a snuggle bunny

DBZ - That's good to know that Clomid might be able to sort it out. Interestingly, my doc said 60-70% of women with PCOS conceive without intervention just fine. I don't know whether that's true. I've read all sorts of conflicting things online, for whatever they're worth. Can I get Clomid prescribed by my doc or do I need to be referred to a specialist? I have another U/S in two months to check on my ovaries (and also an enlarged kidney!) so I feel like she won't do anything before then. She said to wait another 5-6 months and if we still haven't conceived she can make referrals. But I'm wondering whether that means she'd be reluctant to prescribe Clomid. I hate going in there and being like, "I heard about this med on the internet; can you prescribe it for me?"

 

[Jezika]

Oh, good luck star_e! I'm also trying to figure out if and when I will ov already!!

 

[Jezika]

Here are my OPKs, for what they're worth. CD14 was this morning. The unlabelled ones are from some time before. Does it look like LH may be ramping up? At least a really short LP would still be better than no ovulation, I guess. I might go out and get some B6 complex.

 

[KatO79]

Hey ladies I just stumbled upon this thread and would love to join in on the fun

I'm 32 will be 33 in October ugh getting old I am on my 3rd cycle this go round. I believe today is my O day My DW and I have been off and on trying now for 3 years. This is the first year that we are actually putting the real effort into it. We are doing AI with a known donor I temp, use digi OPK's, preseed and soft cups . I look forward to getting to know all you wonderful ladies and sending loads of baby dust to everyone

Hi AshNAmber :wave:

32 going on 33 isn't that bad, I'm 36 turning 37 in May I hope your journey will now be short So it's at your home AIs?

Hey Kat!! Still young yourself.. It's just crazy to think I'm already in my 30's I swear I feel like I was just in my 20's

Yes ma'am we are able to do at home insemination. It's private and more personal then having to go to a doctors office and it gives DW the feeling that she is actually helping with me getting pregnant.

I guess it depends on what you mean by young Yeah I feel pretty much the same way

Yeah it does sound much nicer than going to e.g. a clinic. I can also see how it makes your DW feel more like she's participating and helping. I don't think my DH felt very helpful for the appointments he went to with me, other than some moral support of course but that's also important.

AFM I'm in the TWW We got 3 rounds of AI in.. The first round I think was to far out to really do any good it was on the 3rd and I O'd on the 8th so yeah So no stressing this go round.. hopefully

FXed for you Yeah I would think the one on the 3rd probably was a tad too early but you never know.

So i got a message back from my doctor today through the messaging system. She's processing a referral for me for the fertility clinic, and it will be processed by Thursday so I can call them after Thursday to start making appointments. Hoping I don't need much done, but at least having some tests done will give me peace of mind if nothing else.

Oh so exciting Angel I know how excited I was when our GP agreed to give us our referral. Hope your tests all look good and it's an easy "fix"

 

[Angel5000]

Angel!! It seems to be im stalking you I'm sorry your going through so much crap with DH uncle. It's awful what some of our own family will do to you I'm glad you have some where you can come an vent and get some support

I would like to thank all of you lovely ladies for such a warm welcome

AFM I'm in the TWW We got 3 rounds of AI in.. The first round I think was to far out to really do any good it was on the 3rd and I O'd on the 8th so yeah So no stressing this go round.. hopefully

I feel that way sometimes too when we are in a variety of different threads. I have a couple threads where I have vented about our family situation(s) and in others there are a lot of people and it moves quickly so I don't say a lot, but in these smaller groups I feel like we get to know each other very intimately.

Glad you are in the TWW! Good luck!!


AFM - My AF is finally over. So glad. We are now going to start doing every other day BD starting hopefuly tomorrow.

 

[star_e]

Positive opk tonight. Does this mean if I test tomorrow morning it will be negative? Just curious how long the surge lasts. Also since I got the smiley tonight does that means that I ovd tomorrow or the next day? We BDed tonight and will tomorrow and the next day. Hope this works!

 

[Jezika]

Star_e - Did you test multiple times today? If so and your +OPK suggests it's recently surged, I think you should see it tomorrow too. I'm actually in the same boat - got what I believe to be a +OPK at 5pm, which was a change from this morning, so I'm assuming it should stay like that tomorrow too. I say this because on almost all the charts I've seen, people seem to have two days of +OPK. As for when you'll ovulate, I've been trying to figure that out too! I feel like there's quite a bit of actual variability (the window is 24-36 hours after LH surge, I think? But I've heard 12 hours too).

 

[DBZ34]

Angel: thanks for the feedback. It's possible I may be the type that does not have signs. I will start temping. And look into supplements to help with my dry cm. and congrats on your cycles getting back to normal. Let us know how the clinic appointment goes!

If I have a period induced my provera does that count as a real period? cause most people who have a period also ovd so I'm curious if that applies to people with an induced period.

Given my track record w periods my obgyn told me she would want me to see an RE after a few cycles if it doesn't work. I kind of want to move to an RE even sooner but I might stick w the obgyn bc there is no guarantee I guess that an RE will give me anything other than a higher clomid dose which is what my obgyn will do anyway.

I have heard people talk about trigger shots before. Can anyone tell me about their experience with that?-

You can also take a little cinnamon once a day to help with dry CM too. I put mine in my tea in the morning. I do around a 1/2 tsp. Some women I know take it with honey too.

A provera-induced period still counts as a period. Even if you don't ov, it still counts since it's resetting your cycle and starting you at CD1 again.

An RE might do more investigation into things, to make sure that PCOS is the only issue you're dealing with (like the CD3 testing to check your AMH, FSH, etc if it hasn't already been done, and then do an SA on your DH to make sure he doesn't also have something going on). But it can't hurt to stick with the ob/gyn for now. Is your ob/gyn tacking your cycles on clomid?

I've had a few trigger shots when going through a couple of IUIs. When I did Clomid, I had 4 follicles go when I triggered. On Femara, I had 1-2 each time. It's been pretty painless but it can burn after it's in (I have my DH do it because I'm afraid of needles). You trigger at night and then around 36 hours later, you ovulate.

Do you have any specific questions about trigger shots? I know there's a few of us around that have had them that can answer your questions.

 

[DBZ34]

I agree with Jezika. Your opk might not be blazing positive the next day, but the line should still be there, depending on where you are with your surge. 12-36 hours after you see the positive, you should ovulate (You can have a surge and not ov, so if it doesn't stress you out to temp, you can do that to confirm ov).

I typically ovulate 12-24 hrs after my pos opk, so it's worth making sure to BD same day as the positive and the next day, if you can, to cover your bases. Actually, I do the Sperm meets Egg Plan, which is BDing every other day until you get a pos opk and then BDing the day of the positive and the next two days after that.

 

[star_e]

Angel: thanks for the feedback. It's possible I may be the type that does not have signs. I will start temping. And look into supplements to help with my dry cm. and congrats on your cycles getting back to normal. Let us know how the clinic appointment goes!

If I have a period induced my provera does that count as a real period? cause most people who have a period also ovd so I'm curious if that applies to people with an induced period.

Given my track record w periods my obgyn told me she would want me to see an RE after a few cycles if it doesn't work. I kind of want to move to an RE even sooner but I might stick w the obgyn bc there is no guarantee I guess that an RE will give me anything other than a higher clomid dose which is what my obgyn will do anyway.

I have heard people talk about trigger shots before. Can anyone tell me about their experience with that?-

You can also take a little cinnamon once a day to help with dry CM too. I put mine in my tea in the morning. I do around a 1/2 tsp. Some women I know take it with honey too.

A provera-induced period still counts as a period. Even if you don't ov, it still counts since it's resetting your cycle and starting you at CD1 again.

An RE might do more investigation into things, to make sure that PCOS is the only issue you're dealing with (like the CD3 testing to check your AMH, FSH, etc if it hasn't already been done, and then do an SA on your DH to make sure he doesn't also have something going on). But it can't hurt to stick with the ob/gyn for now. Is your ob/gyn tacking your cycles on clomid?

I've had a few trigger shots when going through a couple of IUIs. When I did Clomid, I had 4 follicles go when I triggered. On Femara, I had 1-2 each time. It's been pretty painless but it can burn after it's in (I have my DH do it because I'm afraid of needles). You trigger at night and then around 36 hours later, you ovulate.

Do you have any specific questions about trigger shots? I know there's a few of us around that have had them that can answer your questions.

thanks for the cinnamon suggestion, i will definitely try that. and no, my obgyn is not monitoring me. i need to ask her if she will next cycle.

in terms of trigger shots, i guess i want to know if that is something a specialist would give me right away. im on my first round of clomid. would i be told to just keep trying with clomid? does the trigger shot make conception more likely than clomid alone?

also, i had my positive opk last night at 7pm (cd16). i tested again this morning (cd17) and it was still positive. i figured we would BD tonight and it would all be well. but, i just tested now and its negative. DH is on his way so we can do the BD, but i dont know if i already ovd'ed. hopefully the egg is still alive and this BD will count. if my positive opk was last night (cd16), what would most people mark their ovd day as? does the negative test now mean i already ovded? the thing is, my pee was not super concentrated when i tested just now. i had held it for like 2.5 hours. but couldnt hold it longer than that.

we BDed, cd13, cd14 and cd16(the first day i got the positive opk) and now we will BD today cd17 (but i got the negative read just now). too bad we did not do cd15 as i have heard its really good to BD the day before the first positive opk.

there is so much to learn with all this. it is very interesting, but confusing!

 

[star_e]

I agree with Jezika. Your opk might not be blazing positive the next day, but the line should still be there, depending on where you are with your surge. 12-36 hours after you see the positive, you should ovulate (You can have a surge and not ov, so if it doesn't stress you out to temp, you can do that to confirm ov).

I typically ovulate 12-24 hrs after my pos opk, so it's worth making sure to BD same day as the positive and the next day, if you can, to cover your bases. Actually, I do the Sperm meets Egg Plan, which is BDing every other day until you get a pos opk and then BDing the day of the positive and the next two days after that.

you are right, i did get the positive today, this morning. but in my post above, you will see that by the afternoon i got a negative. do you think the egg is still alive? i read it can live for 24 hours? I luckily did the sperm meets egg plan and did not know about it. is EOD better than ED?

 

[Angel5000]

Star - You will typically O somewhere between 12-48 hours after a +OPK. Meaning that you could Ovulate the same day as the +OPK, the next day, or even the day after that. The surge lasts a different length of time for each woman. some women just a couple hours, some for a whole day.

It's possible to get a + and then a negative later that day and then a + early the next morning, if you are testing without diluted urine in the afternoon. I've had that happen. You have to make sure you are using a 3-4 hour hold to get the best results.

Your egg will last about 24 hours. You will not be able to confirm what time you O'd even after the OPK is negative unless you are temping. So you will ovulate anywhere from the day of the +OPK to 2 days later. I almost always O on the day of my +OPK and I can confirm this through temperatures. Just make sure to Bd on the day of the +OPK and the next 2 days to be safe

 

[Jezika]

So yesterday morning I had a -OPK, by 5pm I had what looked a lot like a +ve OPK, and this morning and afternoon it was negative. Looking at my chart below, do you think it all makes sense? Could my surge really have been that brief and are my temps consistent with O that soon after? Will FF put a crosshair retroactively if I achieve multiple temp rises or does it always put crosshairs on a date in the future? Novice, I know...

 

[drjo718]

FF will place cross hairs retroactively after 3 days of elevated temps to confirm ovulation. From the way your chart looks now, it seems you ovulated yesterday.

 

[Jezika]

Thanks drjo! I hope you're right. It makes me feel better to know that about the crosshairs. I just don't know how my +OPK could only have shown up at 5pm (and not in the morning) and still given enough time to ovulate the same day. How soon after O do temps go up? I am also scared my temp will drop again tomorrow, but I guess there's no point worrying about it.

 

[Xokittycatxo]

Thanks drjo! I hope you're right. It makes me feel better to know that about the crosshairs. I just don't know how my +OPK could only have shown up at 5pm (and not in the morning) and still given enough time to ovulate the same day. How soon after O do temps go up? I am also scared my temp will drop again tomorrow, but I guess there's no point worrying about it.

Depending on what opks you are using, it can be very confusing. Took me a while to get the hang of the ic ones. I would get dark lines about half way to my actual O and think it was a positive but, no. And I actually would have to test several times in a day or I would have missed my positive.
The cbd are so much easier and less stressful for me.
I agree with drjo though, looks like you O yesterday. Just keep an eye on your temps and maybe keep testing everyday just in case.

This is my 4th cycle testing and temping and I'm finally confidant enough to know when to start and stop testing and knowing what a positive and negative opk is. Not to mention my body's signs. There is a learning curve!
You're doing great though

 

[star_e]

Star - You will typically O somewhere between 12-48 hours after a +OPK. Meaning that you could Ovulate the same day as the +OPK, the next day, or even the day after that. The surge lasts a different length of time for each woman. some women just a couple hours, some for a whole day.

It's possible to get a + and then a negative later that day and then a + early the next morning, if you are testing without diluted urine in the afternoon. I've had that happen. You have to make sure you are using a 3-4 hour hold to get the best results.

Your egg will last about 24 hours. You will not be able to confirm what time you O'd even after the OPK is negative unless you are temping. So you will ovulate anywhere from the day of the +OPK to 2 days later. I almost always O on the day of my +OPK and I can confirm this through temperatures. Just make sure to Bd on the day of the +OPK and the next 2 days to be safe

what type of bbt thermometer do u recommend? Digital? I have t done the temping. Do I need to start at the beginning of my cycle?

Also if there are any websites u all find helpful. Please do let me know. I am trying to learn as much as I can but if there is a go to site that anyone loves id like to know. I'm using this app right now called woman calendar. I really like it. It makes it easy to keep track of everything that goes on during my cycle. it's not perfect. But it's good. Though I'm sure there are tons of gadgets like this. This is just one I came across when doing research and I have found it hugely helpful.

 

[star_e]

Star - You will typically O somewhere between 12-48 hours after a +OPK. Meaning that you could Ovulate the same day as the +OPK, the next day, or even the day after that. The surge lasts a different length of time for each woman. some women just a couple hours, some for a whole day.

It's possible to get a + and then a negative later that day and then a + early the next morning, if you are testing without diluted urine in the afternoon. I've had that happen. You have to make sure you are using a 3-4 hour hold to get the best results.

Your egg will last about 24 hours. You will not be able to confirm what time you O'd even after the OPK is negative unless you are temping. So you will ovulate anywhere from the day of the +OPK to 2 days later. I almost always O on the day of my +OPK and I can confirm this through temperatures. Just make sure to Bd on the day of the +OPK and the next 2 days to be safe

This was very helpful. Thank you!

 

[star_e]

Angel - I use wondfos only once a day, in the morning. Holdwise, sometimes get up to pee in the night, but usually there is at least 3 hours in-between and with me only drinking a sip or two of water. I did take a second one yesterday late afternoon just in case, but it was just as negative (on CD13). It freaks me out to see dozens and dozens of successful charts (on a thread dedicated to them - not through intense stalking, ha!) with all the ones who use OPKs showing definite positives (mostly twice - so my once-a-day thing shouldn't be a barrier?). Then again, I don't know how often they're doing them. Also, I read about a study that found most of them pretty unreliable for anyone who has moderate-to-low concentrations of LH, but it was from 2009. Not sure if they've improved then. The fact that I've never seen a negative OPK with a chart that resulted in pregnancy makes me doubt it's still an issue.

Cutestuff - Re: the female body faking us out - tell me about it. Basically anything is possible. Re: DD, that's a huge weight gain considering her birth weight! I bet she's such a snuggle bunny

DBZ - That's good to know that Clomid might be able to sort it out. Interestingly, my doc said 60-70% of women with PCOS conceive without intervention just fine. I don't know whether that's true. I've read all sorts of conflicting things online, for whatever they're worth. Can I get Clomid prescribed by my doc or do I need to be referred to a specialist? I have another U/S in two months to check on my ovaries (and also an enlarged kidney!) so I feel like she won't do anything before then. She said to wait another 5-6 months and if we still haven't conceived she can make referrals. But I'm wondering whether that means she'd be reluctant to prescribe Clomid. I hate going in there and being like, "I heard about this med on the internet; can you prescribe it for me?"

Sorry if I missed an earlier post, but what type of doc are u seeing? My obgyn prescribed Clomid to me not an RE or FS. I hear u on not wanting to go in there and ask for a particular treatment. I feel the same way. If this cycle does not work I'm either going to ask her for monitoring or find a specialist. I like having a lot of information and I sometimes feel so lost w all of this.

 

[star_e]

Star_e - Did you test multiple times today? If so and your +OPK suggests it's recently surged, I think you should see it tomorrow too. I'm actually in the same boat - got what I believe to be a +OPK at 5pm, which was a change from this morning, so I'm assuming it should stay like that tomorrow too. I say this because on almost all the charts I've seen, people seem to have two days of +OPK. As for when you'll ovulate, I've been trying to figure that out too! I feel like there's quite a bit of actual variability (the window is 24-36 hours after LH surge, I think? But I've heard 12 hours too).

That's great news about your positive opk!!!! Get the BD going! What charts do u use to organize your info? Do you get bloated when u ovd?