Anyone TTC #1 and 30 or older?

Kat, how horrid that woman on the forum was ! What was she being so defensive/angry about when she doesn’t know anything about your situation? A little empathy never hurt anyone. And the other women backing her up… talk about herd mentality. Hope you’re more settled in Denmark now and have managed to make some friends and get a job in your field.

Your mother probably can’t bear the attention to be shifted to someone else, hence why she’s not being enthusiastic about you trying for a baby. Don’t let her get you down, you’ve done as much as you could for her and you’ve got other priorities. I don’t believe that you should be beholden to your parents forever just because THEY chose to have you, and then didn’t care for you as they should have.

I think Danes are generally pretty nationalistic and Danes living outside Denmark are even more so:dohh: She went nuts when I criticized Denmark. Nope never managed to make friends here except for 1 girl and she's adopted from India. I'm on friendly terms with most of DH's friends but that's it. It seems as the Danes stop making new friends after college. Unfortunately I was unfortunate when I started my Bachelor's as the girls knew each other (partly because of the trip they do before the studies start but I was ill and couldn't participate) so I was deemed out and the guys were also already in their friendship groups due to the trip so access denied:( When I went on to my Master's (which involved not finishing my Bachelors as the system was a bit different than the American one at the time), I started not quit from the start so the students already had their friendship groups.

They actually had a program once on foreigners that moved to Denmark and talked about how hard it is to make friends here. One woman (think she was from Sri lanka) moved here in her late 20s. She told a story about how she started talking to a Danish woman at her fitness center. After a few weeks of this, she mentioned to the Danish woman that maybe they could go for a cup of coffee or lunch one day. The Danish woman basically told her "No thanks, I have enough friends" :wacko: So yeah, the Danes are very difficult to become friends with, especially after college. I may have a chance when we have our baby because other mothers with children around the same age as mine will want to become frineds as our children will be able to play together.

The job thing I'm dropping as I've sent hundreds of applications (close to 1000 in all over the first 2½ years of unemployment after my Master's plus the year after my Lab Tech degree) and get constantly rejected either due to no experience (how they expect me to get experience without a job, I don't know:shrug:) or I'm over qualified when I've applied below my educational level (I have a Masters in Biotechnology). I've also heard it's almost impossible to get an academic job here without connections and that seems to be true. I'm truely at a disadvantage as I didn't grow up in this country which means my parents didn't have a network of people in place. My mother has difficulties keeping friends (no surprise) and my father was very senile when we moved here so.... I took an extra education as a Lab Tech but it seems like they hold my Masters against me and deem me over qualified. Same goes for jobs at supermarkets and anything else of course. I think my Masters is now deemed unuseable at the moment since I got it in 2007 and they'd rather hire the newly graduated then me despite the fact that the education has been bad the last few years as the system is trying to help more people graduate so I'm actually a better graduate then the ones finishing now:nope: So my current plan is when we have our baby and he/she is a bit older, I'll be trying to get a volunteer job at an animal shelter since I love animals and be satisfied with that. If I'm lucky, maybe the shelter will like me enough to train me to be an inspector and I'll be able to earn some money. But I'm not counting on it. Until then, I'll be a housewife.

Yeah you're right about my mother. I know that's why. But it just stinks:nope: My in-laws are luckily more interested and seem very supportive so nice to know they'll be involved grandparents. They're also a better influence. I've considered the fact my mother will be jealous of the baby as it'll take attention away from her and make us less available to "parent" her. Won't be letting her babysit at all when she doesn't even want my child to exist.
 
Fleur - that is a great way to look at it. I hate snow!!!
 
Kat, I went through pretty much the same experience when I moved countries/ universities, it was hard to "force" myself into existing friendship groups. I don't think it's like that just in Denmark unfortunately but from what you say, the Danes don't seem very friendly. As if you can have too many friends. Is your DH from Denmark? Are there any expat groups nearby?

Your job situation sounds really hard. It must be so disheartening having studied for all these years and not being able to find employment. I really hope that after the baby everything will go better for you, that you'll be able to retrain and make mommy friends!

crystlmcd, I come from a very warm country and I hate the cold so for me snow is pretty to look at as long as I'm inside a warm house! I lived in France for over 10 years so I spent many winters hibernating :D
 
Kat, I went through pretty much the same experience when I moved countries/ universities, it was hard to "force" myself into existing friendship groups. I don't think it's like that just in Denmark unfortunately but from what you say, the Danes don't seem very friendly. As if you can have too many friends. Is your DH from Denmark? Are there any expat groups nearby?

Your job situation sounds really hard. It must be so disheartening having studied for all these years and not being able to find employment. I really hope that after the baby everything will go better for you, that you'll be able to retrain and make mommy friends!

I think with the Danes it's like you have to court them if you want a friendship. I think it's extra hard for me now because one of the first questions they ask when meeting someone new is "What is your job?" and if I say I don't have one, the vast majority see me as either lazy or incompetent. This is the reason why I think 2 of DH's friends barely acknowledge me when we see them. I have a few articles on the subject:

https://universitypost.dk/article/comment-denmark-bad-everyone-makes-it-seem

https://www.howtoliveindenmark.com/portfolio-view/how-will-i-make-friends/

The advice in both articles is to join a sporting activity. The only sport I ever really love is horseback riding (started when I was 9 but stopped due to economic reasons) but I can't do it while I'm TTCing. I did ride a few years over here but it didn't help me make friends as the other students kept to themselves. Don't know what I could do that's TTC safe:shrug: I do plan on taking horseback riding again when my child is a bit older though as DH has offered to pay for my lessons.

Yes DH is Danish but he seems to be unusual in this respect and is always open to finding new friends. I don't know if I could join an expat group as I've been living here for about 18 years and will probably end up staying here.

I unfortunately don't think I'm able to retrain as it would take a company willing to pay. Companies are not much for training people here which is why many of them don't seem to hire newly graduates unless they have connections in the company that can garantee they'll be worth the investment and not leave the company right away. My age will be an issue, I'm sure they'd rather use resources to train a newly graduate age 26 then someone who took their education in 2007 and is 35+. It makes more economic sense using resources on someone who'll be with the company for many more years. Plus having been away from the job market for what will amount to be 3-4 years will just make me a very hard case to sell. Especially with the unfortunate firing during my trial period last time which was just a combination of bad luck with my impossible boss plus the other Lab Tech feeling threatened by my Masters and making my life hell from day 1 when I started:( The company I trained at when I became a Lab Tech gave me glowing recommendations but seem to be an odd place in that they take trainees but don't hire them unless a job is available in the same area they trained in. Funny enough, they don't hire newly educated normally, at least according to my mentor there. So despite the fact they felt I did an excellent job and were very happy with my work, I can't expect them to hire me was basically the message I got from him.

I actually think I'll be a happier person giving up as all those years of rejection were getting to me. No need to keep on trying when it's an impossible fight to win. I think it best just to see if I can get a job at a shelter and I'd love to work with animals. At 35, there's no sense in taking a 3rd education. I feel like I've done my part in trying to get a job, 2 educations and almost 1000 applications must be enough. So yeah, my best bet is to find a shelter I can volunteer at, preferably a no-kill one as I'm not much for getting attached to some of the animals and then they're put to sleep due to lack of enough homes:(
 
Fleur I had two days of same temps and today it went up some more so maybe one more day to confIirm? ?? Lol
 
Kat, I've read the articles and OMG, looks like I would have been a total recluse in Denmark! I'm quite shy as it is, so I would never have been able to make any friends there. I've never understood the "make friends at the gym or whatever sporting activity" thing, no one wants to socialise after class.

Sorry, I meant retrain as an inspector. I'm not surprised you want to give up on your original field totally given what you've gone through. Hope you'll find a place as volunteer in a no-kill shelter. I'm not a huge animal lover but I would hate working in a place with animals who are going to be killed!

cdelmar, I've never temped but that does mean you're going to get busy this weekend? :happydance:

TMI alert : finally managed to get in some action yesterday, almost 4 weeks after the D&C. (Been Googling too much and read scary stories of painful sex after D&C so kept putting it off - glad to see I seem to be back to normal). DH was shocked I made him wear a condom "But the doctor meant we should use condoms if we don't want a baby and we WANT one !" OK... Don't know which part about "wait for period to come back / wait till January to try" he didn't understand. :dohh:
 
Praying, I hope this is it for you!

Thanks Holly, but I really don't think so. There was so much spotting this morning that I actually thought AF got me because it was watery, but black. It's dried up now back to brown cm like the previous cycles' spotting. Six days of this now-unreal. I've now officially crossed the threshold of bleeding more days than not during a cycle.

I called my RE to let him know I was having all this spotting despite the Clomid. I'm going in for a "saline infused ultrasound to look for polyps" on Tuesday. I really wish DH was here for all this- I don't even get to talk to him this training cycle :cry: This is starting to get very nerve wracking especially since the hormones don't seem to be the issue now that I'm on Clomid. Of course when you google black spotting, the most scary things pop up. Part of me wants to be so hopeful that it's just a lot of leftovers from implantation, but it just seems like way too much for way too long at this point. :nope:

Praying, any news? Hope AF stayed away!
 
Kat, I've read the articles and OMG, looks like I would have been a total recluse in Denmark! I'm quite shy as it is, so I would never have been able to make any friends there. I've never understood the "make friends at the gym or whatever sporting activity" thing, no one wants to socialise after class.

Sorry, I meant retrain as an inspector. I'm not surprised you want to give up on your original field totally given what you've gone through. Hope you'll find a place as volunteer in a no-kill shelter. I'm not a huge animal lover but I would hate working in a place with animals who are going to be killed!

cdelmar, I've never temped but that does mean you're going to get busy this weekend? :happydance:

TMI alert : finally managed to get in some action yesterday, almost 4 weeks after the D&C. (Been Googling too much and read scary stories of painful sex after D&C so kept putting it off - glad to see I seem to be back to normal). DH was shocked I made him wear a condom "But the doctor meant we should use condoms if we don't want a baby and we WANT one !" OK... Don't know which part about "wait for period to come back / wait till January to try" he didn't understand. :dohh:

I know, it's very weird how people make friends here:dohh: And it seems like the sporting thing doesn't always work when that woman in that program tried it and failed. I'm sure it works some of the time but surely not a sure thing:shrug: I found it also hard when I started High School here as many of the kids I went to school with already were friends since they'd been going in the same class for years and years. So never really got friends and was only on friendly terms with a handful while the rest were a bit more distant, especially the girls. I think my MIL is the norm, her 2 best friends are people she knew since kindergarten. I'm also kinda shy so I think that has been an issue as well. I'm sure they see me as a bit weird because of it.

Thanks, I hope so too:) I tried applying to a few places last year before DH and I decided to start TTCing before we get much older and it seemed like it was a bit difficult. The 2 places I wrote too seemed interested enough but said they had many volunteers and to try again in 1-2 months. So I'll probably need to start applying a few months before I really want to start. I can also hope that maybe they have a slightly harder time finding people when I start applying.

Oh your DH:haha: I guess he's about as bad of a listener as mine:haha: I remember when he was telling my MIL how our first meeting with the clinic went and I had to keep correcting what he was saying about our results and what she told us about IUI (since she's almost 100% sure that's what we'll be doing), I could've just as well taken his phone and told her myself what our RE told us:dohh:

ASM TTC-wise: Don't think I'll be getting my BFP this time either:nope: AF should be here tomorrow I think but I actually thought she was coming last night. I checked my cervix and there was a very small amount of brown blood. Odd for me, but ok. I checked a few hours later and when I put slight pressure on my cervix, some fresh, red blood came but wasn't gushing like it would if it was CD1 so I figured AF would be 1 day early and come today but nope:nope: But still having very small amounts of brown blood at my cervix and some very slight spotting of brown:shrug: Thought I'd be able to schedule my HSG today but I guess it'll have to be on Monday as I shouldn't call unless AF has started.
 
Praying, any news? Hope AF stayed away!

Thanks for checking in Fleur! Nope, AF arrived in all her glory (FINALLY!) last night. Cramps and everything this morning! I have never been so relieved to see her... weird to say that. But this last week has been a roller coaster of emotions with that gross black alternating oozy and watery stuff. Maybe the Clomid was working to get my cycle back on track, so my body just finally dumped all the "leftovers" that had been hanging out in there? I don't even know if that's a thing. :shrug: I sure hope this doesn't happen every cycle with Clomid. Maybe the HSG will provide some answers on Tuesday. I read somewhere that one lady spotted like us for years and her hormones were fine, but after the HSG, she didn't spot anymore. Cleared up a blockage or something. If it is that easy, I will literally :happydance: !!!
 
welcome cutie! Love your avatar :)

AFM, should O anytime now. Although I've had two unexpected major stresses this week, and I know stress can really affect my hormones, so I wouldn't be surprised if this cycle was wacky. Last night I barely slept, mind was racing, and could not get it to shut off! Also this stress is negatively affecting my ability to get in the mood :sex: At this point though, not going to miss any opportunities near O, so I don't need to be in the mood just available LOL :haha:
 
Welcome, cutieq! :flower: I also adore your avatar!!

Bighouse- I hope everything is okay! :hugs:

Praying- glad she finally came, but also boo that she came! :haha:

Kat- WOW! I had always read that Danes are the happiest country in the world, but it sounds like that may only be true if you grew up there :/ I'm so sorry you've had such a rough go of it! :hugs:
 
Welcome, cutieq! :flower: I also adore your avatar!!

Bighouse- I hope everything is okay! :hugs:

Praying- glad she finally came, but also boo that she came! :haha:

Kat- WOW! I had always read that Danes are the happiest country in the world, but it sounds like that may only be true if you grew up there :/ I'm so sorry you've had such a rough go of it! :hugs:

Thanks Hollynesss:hugs: Yeah, I don't know why they're like that:shrug: There are of course exceptions like my DH but many are this way. Maybe because it's such a small country:shrug:

If we could move, I probably would. But think I'll wait until we've conceived and had our baby as I can just as well take advantage of my 6 free IUIs (they don't do more than 6 anyway) and the 3 free IVF tries you get here:happydance:
 
Welcome, cutieq! :flower: I also adore your avatar!!

Bighouse- I hope everything is okay! :hugs:

Praying- glad she finally came, but also boo that she came! :haha:

Kat- WOW! I had always read that Danes are the happiest country in the world, but it sounds like that may only be true if you grew up there :/ I'm so sorry you've had such a rough go of it! :hugs:

Thanks Hollynesss:hugs: Yeah, I don't know why they're like that:shrug: There are of course exceptions like my DH but many are this way. Maybe because it's such a small country:shrug:

If we could move, I probably would. But think I'll wait until we've conceived and had our baby as I can just as well take advantage of my 6 free IUIs (they don't do more than 6 anyway) and the 3 free IVF tries you get here:happydance:

What?!?! Words cannot express my level of jealousy!!! Jeez, Americans are really far behind other countries when it comes to all issues related to fertility and maternity!
 
Welcome, cutieq! :flower: I also adore your avatar!!

Bighouse- I hope everything is okay! :hugs:

Praying- glad she finally came, but also boo that she came! :haha:

Kat- WOW! I had always read that Danes are the happiest country in the world, but it sounds like that may only be true if you grew up there :/ I'm so sorry you've had such a rough go of it! :hugs:

Thanks Hollynesss:hugs: Yeah, I don't know why they're like that:shrug: There are of course exceptions like my DH but many are this way. Maybe because it's such a small country:shrug:

If we could move, I probably would. But think I'll wait until we've conceived and had our baby as I can just as well take advantage of my 6 free IUIs (they don't do more than 6 anyway) and the 3 free IVF tries you get here:happydance:

What?!?! Words cannot express my level of jealousy!!! Jeez, Americans are really far behind other countries when it comes to all issues related to fertility and maternity!

Yeah, it's one of the very few perks of living here :rofl: In Denmark, infertility is considered a disease so the state pays. The only thing that'll be costing us are the hormones but there's a max amount of what the state expects us to pay every month and then the state goes in and helps pay. Our RE has already sent our application so they're prepared.

There's currently more and more couples needing referrals here. So the state isn't too happy about that and is currently trying to get young people in their early 20s to have children while they can:dohh:

By the way, it's only free (6 free IUIs and 3 free IVFs) when you're TTC #1. I don't know about people TTC #2 or more, I guess they're free to pay for it if they want to but it is pretty expensive:shrug:
 
Can I join? Not quite 30 (b-day is Tuesday) and I get the wonderful gift of af on my b-day. I am so irritated because like many of you, I have been trying for 5 cycles (though good timing in only 3). I was so sure this was going to be the cycle as I typically get spotting before my period shows and I had nothing until today, which is the expected start of my period. Took 2 tests just to make sure and both were negative so I am pretty sure that is accurate since most people get positive results by 13-14 dpo (not sure entirely because I could have miscalculated). I thought our timing was perfect this month and I am so tired of hearing about pregnancies the first try when its going on the 6th month of trying (4 th month of active) and I haven't been on any type of birth control in 5.5 years (using natural planning and withdrawal- Who knew that works).......
 
Bighouse - hopefully the stress is over now and doesn't affect you much.
Kat - i too envy you for those freebies. In my country, we hv to pay everything. Guess too many fertile people here. So only rich people who can't conceive can afford IUI or IVF.
Cutestuff - welcome to the group
AFM - 7DPO and temp is so erratic.
 

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