Anyone TTC #1 and 30 or older?

Hi Ladies

I know its been a while... Fleur and texmel congrats on the pregnancies... Fleur, I know it has to be stressful and full of anxiety with your last loss, but try meditating or doing yoga and just breathing. Maybe if you find a way to think about this as everything is fine unless you find out otherwise it will help take away the anxiety....

More....just did a follow up ultrasound and tech freaking thinks she found a polyp....she told me it not likely they grew back already but may have been missed in my d&c. I don't even know what to think.

And more....I have one friend I can turn to. Was thinking about texting her. Checked my Facebook and the first thing in the news feed was her daughter announcing her pregnancy. Second one for the week and I feel like I can't turn to my friend.

All positivity is gone....over and out.

Dede, :hugs: I cannot imagine how that must feel for you.... I know it has to be painful to hear about pregnancies especially when you have been trying for so long and these pregnancies may not have been planned, expected, or even wanted. I know that I felt the same way.. I started TTC last year and the first month in I thought I could be pregnant and I was so excited, but I wasnt and not three months later I found out my coworker was pregnant and would have become pregnant the same month I thought I was. I dont think you should loose hope. As hard as it is, you cannot be a good mother unless you take care of your self and are in good health. I think it is good you are taking care of yourself now rather than having years go down the road without knowing until it was too late.

AFM: This is officially cycle 10, but really cycle 6 as there were at least 4 cycles where our sex would not have been well timed for conception. My coworker is due next month and she keeps complaining about how sick she feels and is broke when she is getting married to a business owner who pulls in a hundred grand or more a year... Really???!!! I feel like slapping her and asking her how she would feel if someone was complaining about something she really wants and doesnt get on her time table :growlmad:. Anyway, I couldnt read and run from your comment dede. I really hope you find something positive to think about while you are waiting for your positive.
 
drjo, sorry to hear about the pneumonia, poor you, that’s horrible! Hope it will clear up quickly.

Kat, I meant IUIs up the chances for people who are struggling to conceive on their own. I also hope IUI will do the trick for you.

EElse, oh yes, when not TTC long cycles are great, but when TTC you’d rather have short cycles! The wait till ovulation must seem like forever :growlmad: I don’t know much about vit D deficiency affecting fertility but I suppose it can’t hurt? I come from a very sunny country but still took them (as part of my multivits). Don’t worry, even I’m not keeping proper track this time.. I was shocked to realize I was 9 weeks a few days ago (9.5 weeks now).

dede, sorry you’re not feeling very positive :hugs: It’s hard when you can’t turn to anyone, but I hope it helps to rant online at least. I also had the deadline thing in my mind but I’ve gone WAY past it. When will you know if it’s really a polyp? Didn’t the technician say more??

cutestuff, long time no see! How have you been? Which CD are you now? Good luck for this cycle! Thanks for the advice, I’m trying not to think too much because I know I’m at increased risk after last time, and this time also I’m having no symptoms so it is stressful. I so know what you mean about pregnant women complaining and I really don’t mean to sound ungrateful. A friend who fell pregnant by accident is due any day now, and some time back she was complaining about her weight gain etc, I was so annoyed.. She was also saying that she’s started late and will be no spring chicken for her second one… Our group of friends are all the same age (33), and she’s the only one who’s about to have a kid, let alone 2, so I thought it was really insensitive of her. Sorry, rant over!
 
Hi Fleur... Things are okay. Dh was laid off last year and with it being 12 years together in June it is hard to have lots of sex so we try to go every other day from calendar day 10. I think I have about 10 days until my period, but I am not sure as I never got a true positive on my opk this month. Last month my period came exactly 14 days after the positive... I have been experiencing ovulation spotting most months since October, which is new for me, but I have been told that cycles can change without any warning so I should not worry about it and with no health insurance I cannot afford any testing. I am pretty sure I ovulated sometime between Wednesday and Sunday. We DTD Tuesday, Friday morning and Sunday morning, so we will see. I had super light pink spotting from Sunday thru yesterday but I also had the normal brown spotting that went from Wednesday thru Friday so the pink stuff was new. Not sure what to think about that as it most likely would have been too early for anything pregnancy related. I am trying just not to get my hopes too high and just hoping and praying that in the next couple of months things get better and we get a BFP so I dont have to worry about the testing and stuff, but then I feel bad because so many of us on this thread seem to need it and it has to be hard to deal with the announcements.....
 
Fleur - the actual gender reveal was awesome! The cake was perfect....DH and I both cut a side together and then DH lifted up the cut slice so everyone (in-laws, two nieces, my mom and two friends) could see the inside of the cake, which was pink :) Then over the weekend my mom, my MIL, DH and I all went shopping to Carter's outlet for little girl baby clothes. It was so much fun. Everyone was very excited for (another) little girl.

Kat - thanks for the advice. I really hope that my relationship is different and I'll do everything I can to be a great mom. My mom does have her good points (in fact, one of them is that she is NOT critical and does love me unconditionally), so I'll try to take the good that I learned from my mom and leave out the bad. Basically, my mom never fully matured and has zero self-confidence (which meant she couldn't leave my step-dad even though he was a cheating, abusive alcoholic). She has always been in debt her whole life and can never seem to say "no" to stuff she can't afford, is ALWAYS dieting but never sticks to it so always makes comments that she is fat and unattractive, she doesn't cook or clean so her house is always a gross, disorganized mess and she is WAY too open about personal stuff (she has no filter). I just don't like her as a person; I know that's horrible but it's true. I have no respect for how she lives her life. Maybe I should see a therapist!!!
 
MJs: The reveal sounds like it was lovely. Good luck to you!

Fleur: Thanks :hugs: Alright, :winkwink: don't feel so bad now about not keeping track... :haha: Good luck to you!

cutestuff: I'm keeping my fx for a :bfp: for you soon. Good luck to you! :flower:

dede: Might be late but Happy Birthday to you :flower: That sucks, only finding out that it would influence your ttc journey when you were on the table. Good luck to you and I hope that they got everything with your d&c and that they're mistaken about the polyp. FX for you!! :hugs:

Kat: Thanks so much for all the information you posted!! :flower: Good luck to you and I'll keep my fx for you this cycle.

AFM: After the strange AF I had (much shorter than usual and without clots), my CM is turning fertile sooner than usual so I might actually O sooner than expected. I'll just have to wait and see - keep an eye on my temps and such...
 
Kat - thanks for the advice. I really hope that my relationship is different and I'll do everything I can to be a great mom. My mom does have her good points (in fact, one of them is that she is NOT critical and does love me unconditionally), so I'll try to take the good that I learned from my mom and leave out the bad. Basically, my mom never fully matured and has zero self-confidence (which meant she couldn't leave my step-dad even though he was a cheating, abusive alcoholic). She has always been in debt her whole life and can never seem to say "no" to stuff she can't afford, is ALWAYS dieting but never sticks to it so always makes comments that she is fat and unattractive, she doesn't cook or clean so her house is always a gross, disorganized mess and she is WAY too open about personal stuff (she has no filter). I just don't like her as a person; I know that's horrible but it's true. I have no respect for how she lives her life. Maybe I should see a therapist!!!

Sorry, MJs, from this comment it sounded like your mother maybe wasn't good to you:
My mom was out visiting for the last three days and of course it was a bit strained as usual...we don't get along very well for various reasons that I won't get into. But that's another reason I wasn't keen on having a daughter....I just feel like moms and their daughters are always at each other's throats. Hopefully it won't be that way with me and my little girl, but you just never know I guess. I know I'll be providing a MUCH more stable environment for my daughter than my parents did for me...and hopefully that will help.

Having come from a home with an emotionally abusive mother, I was concerned about this remark and thought maybe your mother was mean to you. So naturally I advised you to seek a therapist if that was the case so you'd avoid repeating any e.g. abusive patterns with your own daughter.

I understand that you saw it as bad that she couldn't leave your step-dad since he was abusive and alcoholic. Especially if he abusive towards you as well. Plus the no filter thing, my Mom has that as well and she shares too much info about e.g. what her sex life was like with my Dad or she says nasty comments to me although I'm sure by the sound of it, your mother isn't saying anything nasty at least. But it sounds like maybe she didn't grow up in a home where her parents created a loving environment and gave her self-confidence. I know what that's like, my mother switched between either ignoring me completely (she never spent time with me) or being overly critical. It's hard to develop self-confidence if your parent(s) are basically telling you that you're not good enough either verbally or in how much time they spent with you. Perhaps she grew up under similar conditions? Perhaps she felt she didn't deserve any better than an abusive drunk and that's why she didn't leave? Not that it makes it ok, just maybe it explains why she stuck it out with him.

Either way, at least you have a mother that loves you unconditionally and isn't constantly out to make you feel like you have no worth with criticisms and cruel remarks like mine does (since childhood). So your mother sounds much more preferable to mine, I'd give anything to know what it's like to have a mother that loves me unconditionally but unfortunately, I never will. My child will fortunately have that experience and I'll do all I can to have a much more loving and accepting relationship that what I experienced.

I wish you well:flower:
 
BTW forgot to mention: I'll be going in tomorrow for my 2nd U/S and see how many follies there are and if I can trigger over the weekend:thumbup: It's always exciting to see. I'm just hoping my "Golden Egg" is there this time:haha: My guess is that if it all looks good, they'll have me trigger Sunday morning and do the IUI Monday morning.

Problem is we're going to DH's big brother's birthday/ Easter lunch on Sunday so I've told DH that if our IUI is Monday morning, he's not allowed to drink very much and he wasn't too happy. He was looking forward to having a cosy afternoon with the family drinking beers and snaps:dohh: But he sees my point and says he'll keep it to a minimum. I'm sure someone will ask him why he's not drinking more (typical Danish:dohh:) but we can just as well be out in the open about the IUI since they all pretty much know by now:shrug:
 
Good luck this weekend Kat! Fingers crossed for you!

My appt went great! Dr says our bean is perfect! Measured at 6w+6d with a hb of 130bpm.

I am on cloud 9!!! I've already started telling my next circle of friends my news. Still not ready to make it fb official.
 

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Yay TexMel:thumbup::happydance:

AFM got back from the clinic and there's only 1 follie this time, in my left ovary (plus a couple of small ones in my right):wacko: But if it's a special, prime quality, "Golden Egg" type follie then it's alright with me:haha: She wants me to trigger at 1:15 AM on the night between Saturday and Sunday and the IUI will be Monday afternoon at 1:15 PM. I asked her about the trigger being at 36 hours this time since last time they wanted me to trigger 24-25 hours before. But she said I was around CD16 those times on IUI day and this time I'll be about CD12 so we can trigger at 36 hours before this time since the risk of Oing earlier is minimal. So here's hoping she's right and that that made sense, I'm not always good at explaining things:wacko::haha:
 
Kat, Hopefully you will be like the goose with the golden egg this time around.

AFM I need to rant.. I started pink spotting Sunday and then it took a break for Thursday and its back today. Just one occurance. I tried OPKs last month and got a very clear positive on CD 14, but when I tried this month, I only got faint second lines for three days then nothing. We BD CD 10, 12, 15, and 17, and the morning of CD 17 was when the pink spotting started. My boobs seem sore, but only if I touch them through my bra. Touching the skin doesnt hurt at all. and I hate my job. My boss is so passive agressive and just such a manipulative bitch that I dont really know when she is serious or when she is joking... its messed up and I really need to make a change... I have about 8-10 days left to start my period and I do normally spot for the first 4-5 days or so, but its normally brown. I guess this is about right for a 27 day cycle, but my cycles have been closer to 28-31 days so it is maybe two days early for this spotting... I dont want to get my hopes up but I was also so hoping that this would be my month. This sucks so bad
 
Awww so sorry cutestuff, have no advice to offer, just :hugs::hugs: Sorry your boss is so awful, know what that's like. Could you try applying for other jobs in another company while you're there?

AFM I wrote to my cousin a few days ago to let her know IUI #2 and #3 failed and we were proceeding with #4. Also let her know DH got fired and is looking for a new job. Her response:
Dear you both, I wish you both well, Happy Easter! Love, (insert her name here)

Not only that but she hasn't been nearly as actively liking my posts on FB. Have noticed though that my brother and sister are very active with each other's FB profiles and my cousin has been fairly actively liking their posts. She used to like pictures of my cat (plus a couple of other things) but nope, no one has liked my recent pics. I know it's totally silly but I just feel like it's a clear sign my cousin is aligning herself mostly with my brother and sister and that they're all 3 are semi pushing me away. No big surprise, my cousin and her DH have been on many exotic trips with my brother e.g. the Bahamas, trips DH and I couldn't afford without saving up for 1-2 years.

I don't know, my family just really gets me down sometimes and I just wish they could be more supportive of me, especially when they know I'm going through assisted conception. But I won't say a thing, I don't need my brother to accuse me again of being "so obviously absorbed in self-obsessive thinking" or something along those lines when I mentioned to him almost 6 years ago I was a little sad he wasn't going to be in Denmark for longer other than 2 days before my wedding and then take off for Germany 2-3 days later to see some from his wife's family. He complained it was due to "short notice of the wedding date", despite the fact I told him 9 months in advance and with no help from him on which months were best for him (I'd sent him a few emails, no answer).This was also the same email he told me he was deeply embarrassed that I hadn't been to the US to see his daughter within the first year of her life (his wife's family found it odd) despite the fact that DH and I just couldn't due to him being involved in various projects at the company (many that required him to travel at short notice and be away for 1-4 weeks) plus we didn't have the money for it. His exact words:

Imagine me fielding questions from (insert wife's name here) family about why .....my sister (haven't) come over to see (insert daughter's name here) in over a year…I doubt you have indulged in this thought experiment but I can tell you that it is personally embarrassing to me, not that it would matter to someone who is so obviously enclosed in self-obsessive thinking.

Yet again the same email he told me when I mentioned I was a bit sad he hadn't met my DH before the wedding:

Your comment about (DH's name here) is also beyond the pale and totally ridiculous. Until (DH's name here) proposed to you, he was of absolutely no interest to me. He was just a boyfriend at that point.

This despite the fact I'd met his wife a few years before they were to marry since he told me it was a serious relationship and he wanted me to meet her.

I don't know, I can still look at this email he sent me were he's being totally out of line (very long email so won't share the Whole thing but you get the jist from these 2 quotes) and feel sad. Our relationship was better before his marriage and I don't know why (his wife is otherwise really nice). Other than his wife's rich family has gone to his head. Sorry for the long post, it's just that my family gradually rejecting me and semi pushing me out of their lives gets me down:(
 
:hugs: :hugs: :hugs: I'm so sorry, Kat. Family is supposed to have your back no matter what, and it hurts so much when they don't. It sounds to me, judging from his emails, that there has been a lot of unspoken animosity. If he was upset about you not seeing his daughter, he should have talked to you about it. In this day and age with Skype and FaceTime there are so many other ways you could have "met" her without having to fly around the world. It is unfair of him to put you in that position and make you feel bad.

When you hold your little one in your arms for the first time he/she will become your world, and all of this silliness will just fall away. Life is so short and so precious, keep your eye on the prize and don't let anyone stop you! :hugs:
 
:hugs: :hugs: :hugs: I'm so sorry, Kat. Family is supposed to have your back no matter what, and it hurts so much when they don't. It sounds to me, judging from his emails, that there has been a lot of unspoken animosity. If he was upset about you not seeing his daughter, he should have talked to you about it. In this day and age with Skype and FaceTime there are so many other ways you could have "met" her without having to fly around the world. It is unfair of him to put you in that position and make you feel bad.

When you hold your little one in your arms for the first time he/she will become your world, and all of this silliness will just fall away. Life is so short and so precious, keep your eye on the prize and don't let anyone stop you! :hugs:


But the thing is I don't get where his animosity comes from:shrug: He never said anything and it's not like I could help it that DH was heavily involved with a huge project at the company that required him to travel so much and that we didn't have the funds either. We were also saving up for our wedding which didn't help matters. It sounds like his wife's family has no concept of the cost of such a trip (why should they, they have plenty of money to burn) plus that my DH's job didn't allow for much travel other than for the company around that time. I never understood why he didn't explain that to them and let them feel how they will. That's how I'd have handled things if our situations had been reversed. I don't think Skype would've pleased him enough, or his wife's family, no less than a personal appearance would've been enough.

I still have a feeling that he just has this need to see me as a terrible person, I don't know why. He's always been a bit insecure and I always felt he was a bit envious that I got my Master's while he didn't go farher than a Bachelor's. I know he looks down on me for not being able to get a job, especially since I have 2 educations. I'm sure he feels I was never actively applying for jobs and just want to sponge off DH, so entirely not true. He also made it clear that he only feels like my cousin and her DH have shown enough interest and spent time with them but firstly, my cousin's DH doesn't work (he got seriously injured at his old job and has been unable to work since and has been mostly living off of the money he got from the company as compensation). My cousin has a job where it's easier to get away working at an old folk's home, my DH didn't (at the time).

All the trips they've had with my brother have been expensive ones to boot and not once did any of them even ask us if we wanted to come along or try and plan a trip with us. We could've also suggested something but again if it's anything outside of Europe, DH and I would need to save a bit and have planned things carefully since he traveled during his job and even then we risked having to cancel since DH could get as little as 2-3 days notice. Not only that my brother would want us to stay in expensive hotels. He called the Motel 6 we stayed at during our last trip to the US (before arriving at their house) as a really crappy hotel and almost said he'd not be caught dead in such a hotel.

I'm just sorry that my child will have such hostile family members on my side of the family.
 
That sounds frustrating about the family members not being so supportive. I would need time to save up too so to plan in advance for a vacation helps especially if it is going to be expensive. Sounds like being married to his wife's rich family has gone to his head.
 
Kat, sometimes its just nice knowing I can type it once and know I wont be judged. It happened only for maybe an hour or two and has since gone away but I am not ready to think anything positive because every month I spot something and say OOOO maybe this is it and I am pregnant and then the wonderful witch comes and I get upset..
As for your family :hugs:.... I have learned the hard way that sometimes people are not what they appear and that every story has two sides. In fact, it would surprise you to know that until 6 months or so ago I actually got a long fine with my boss but she said some pretty judgmental and cruel things to me that made me rethink things. If you listened to her, every thing bad in her life is someone elses fault and if you have the audacity to discuss something that she said that hurt you, she wont apologize, she just lectures you on why its really your fault.... Argggg...
I would like to offer some advice as a black sheep myself to a fellow black sheep. It is important to not let yourself become defined by your families thoughts of who you are and even more important that you take the emotion out of it. It is really hard to do, but I have learned that sometimes the only way I can cope with someone who is saying something detrimental or false about who I am as a person, I have to take a step back and ask myself if there is anything I did to contribute to the issues. If there was I apologize and I try to watch out for that behavior in the future. Then if the person still wants to go on and on about how horrible I am (insert boss's name here) then I say to the person, I am sorry you feel that way. And I walk away. You are not required to be berated to be a part of a family or a community and if people are attacking you or pushing you away its typically more to do with them than with you.....
 
That sounds frustrating about the family members not being so supportive. I would need time to save up too so to plan in advance for a vacation helps especially if it is going to be expensive. Sounds like being married to his wife's rich family has gone to his head.


That's what I'm thinking. He was also really weird the day after the wedding. There was a lunch the day after at one of the family member's houses (huge house by a lake). It was a long day and when dinner time came around, he went to dinner with her family. My cousin, her DH and me? Nope, not invited, we had to find somewhere to eat by ourselves and "maybe" he'd have time for us afterwards. Which he didn't. He's been more arrogant ever since. I don't know if his silence on my fertility treatments is a type of payback because DH and I were unable to see his daughter that first year plus couldn't come to the Christening due to both our economical situation plus DH's job at that time was crazy. Our planned trip to the USA almost 5 months afterwards I had to keep putting off because DH was travelling so much for the company at that time and the project kept on being delayed. I don't think my brother ever understood that either. But it's not like he's not done that himself, he's promised to come over here for the summer or Christmas and then cancels last minute. I kept updating him as soon as DH told me and couldn't have told him sooner since my DH was poorly kept up to date on the delays and how much longer he'd have to stay.


cutestuff: I'm sorry your boss has been like that. As to my brother the only issues I can think of he's mad about are the ones mentioned above and it wasn't intentional or anything I had control over. Life simply got in the way as I told him. But he demanded I apologise for being a bit sad he couldn't stay in Denmark a bit longer or he wouldn't come to the wedding and he'd even complained numerous times in that email over and over how much it was costing him to fly over here plus how much the wedding gift was costing him (a gift he offered to pay himself which was a photographer). I apologised but felt his attack of my person and especially of my DH was too much and said he should apologise for it: he never did. I think I'm more sensitive because my NPD mother also says cruel things to me and it sometimes gets to be too much when my brother does it. What went wrong wasn't anything I had control over, I told him it was a real pity we couldn't come to the Christening and he refused at the time to move the date to a few months later which would've made it easier for us to come (but turned out the project got in the way so we wouldn't have been able to come anyway). Fair enough. But when my wedding rolled around he mixed into it and was trying pretty adamently for me to move the date from start of May to June. Which I couldn't since by the time he finally responded to my numerous update emails, my in-laws had already booked and paid for a summer trip to the USA with my FIL's sister and her OH. He was pissed about that as well and mentioned how inconvenient it all was that we chose end of May to compromise as we of course wanted DH's parents at our wedding. All of this wasn't all on me, DH was agreed in all this and felt we couldn't have done anything different given what was going on at the time. Yet my brother doesn't blame DH, he apparently thinks I'm solely to blame for the whole thing for some reason, like I didn't want to come or something which is so not the case.

I know it really is more to do with him than me but it still hurts. I just wish we could have a friendly relationship without all this drama and him constantly telling me what a horrible, selfish person I am since we share in having had a mother that ignored us as children and later became domineering and controlling when we got older. But nope. It's harder to walk away when it's family though. Especially since we had a pretty good relationship before his marriage.

Thanks to everyone reading this, it helps to vent about all this to someone else than DH.
 
Oh kat. :hug: that sucks. I would have hoped he would be understanding but I guess he picked up that from your mother and let the riches go to his head. Argh. Sounds like a toxic relationship. I would have been happy to skype or find other means of connecting if I couldn't see my niece or nephew during the first year of their life but they don't remember much during that time anyways so technically you do enjoy them more when they get to about 3 and older. Not that the first three years isn't less important than the rest of their life, just they do a lot of growing and developing skills during that time. Maybe I better shut up. Haha. I don't even know what I am saying.
 
Oh kat. :hug: that sucks. I would have hoped he would be understanding but I guess he picked up that from your mother and let the riches go to his head. Argh. Sounds like a toxic relationship. I would have been happy to skype or find other means of connecting if I couldn't see my niece or nephew during the first year of their life but they don't remember much during that time anyways so technically you do enjoy them more when they get to about 3 and older. Not that the first three years isn't less important than the rest of their life, just they do a lot of growing and developing skills during that time. Maybe I better shut up. Haha. I don't even know what I am saying.

Nope, he seems to bear a grudge over all this. I don't think he gets it because some of his wife's family live in Germany and they came over to the US shortly after his daughter was born. So neither him nor the rest of her family understand why we couldn't do the same and that obviously embarassed him. The fact we only had max 1 1/3 income at that time didn't register, neither did the fact that my DH was doing a lot of travelling for that huge project. I asked him if he felt DH should've just told the company to go to h*** and travel to the US and risk being fired. He didn't answer that. I don't know if they were also extra sensitive because they used 4 years on assisted conception to have her but I didn't know that until I started TTCing myself and out of curiosity asked her how long it took to conceive my niece. FYI he was aslo upset our mother didn't come (before they went no contact) but I'd explained to him our mother had an injury and had/has problems walking so no way she could've travelled to the US alone and my cousin and her DH refused to take her with them when they were flying over there to see my brother's daughter.

My brother has never been very understanding I guess. The worse part besides his insults was he constantly made it out like he was the injured party and the ignored one, all over a harmless email expressing my regret they couldn't stay longer in Denmark the week of my wedding and hadn't met my DH before the wedding and gotten to know him in the 5 years we were together before getting married:wacko: He ended his long email with:

Grow up, get over yourself and attempt to think about the flip side for once. Please do not expect us to come to the wedding until you see the light and apologize to (insert wife's name here) and me for your sarcastic and totally inappropriate email. I expect your apology forthwith; in fact I will accept nothing less.

I caved. To make things more fun, this was in January the year of my wedding and my mother pulled some drama in March and threatened to not come to my wedding for something stupid as well. So they used the same tactic to get me to "fall in line."
 
Here's the email with his remarks in quotation marks and my answer to each accusation in italics for anyone interested. It's a minor novel so you're warned beforehand:

“I cannot minimize how upsetting I found your recent email. It is astounding to Ann and I that you (and Mom I suppose) can get upset at us and attempt to lay a guilt-trip on us for our not spending more time in Denmark when we are flying over there in a few months for your wedding, at great personal expense I might add, and at which time I will be forced to take time off of work, without pay, and (daughter's name) cannot even attend the wedding (I’ll be paying a babysitter for that).”

I’m sorry to hear that you’ve misunderstood my mail. It was strictly to let you know what my feelings were and to let you know mom is sad that she won’t be able to see you for more than a few days. It wasn’t meant to be a guilt trip. It was also that you haven’t been able to come in all the 5 years preceding the wedding, something that has disappointed us all.

I know that the trip won’t be cheap but when there’s a wedding and family and friends live far away there will of course be an expense. Our friends from Mexico will be coming and they’re not complaining about how expensive it’ll be for them. They’re doing everything they can to make it happen. We’re very happy that people who are travelling from other parts of the world want to do this. But the expense is not exactly something to complain about since it’s bad form, it’s something you are willing to accept to be able to come and therefore can’t complain, least of all to the bridal couple. Not only that, (DH's name) and I were counting on paying the babysitting expenses. Mom has found a friend of Lea’s who is willing and has the time so it has been pretty much arranged. (Daughter's name) is not the only child to not be coming to the reception since (BIL + wife's names) children won’t be invited either, they’re way too young (4 and 1 years old when the wedding comes around). Small children will quickly get bored of sitting in one place for 4-5 hours and listening to, what they consider, boring speeches during the reception. There is no possibility of entertaining them during the reception since it’s at an inn and there are no toys or other children to play with. I fully understand that you are bringing her so Mom and I can meet her and we’re looking forward to it, but you need to understand that it’s not normal for small children to be invited to weddings in DK, also because they get bored and it’s also of consideration for the parents so they can enjoy the party and not have to deal with bored and perhaps crying children.

“Because of the date of the wedding (something you and (DH's name) set after many months of un-necessary procrastination and insisted that we would just have to deal with the inconvenience of the date), we cannot stay in Europe more than a few days, a week at most, because my responsibilities demand that I get back to work quickly. Although we entertained the idea of visiting some of (his wife's name)’s family in Northern Germany for a day or so, we had already agreed not to do so so as to maximize the time we could spend with Mom and you. Jumping to conclusions like that and sending us what I feel is an aggressive email about plans that were never finalized is incredibly hurtful.”

(DH's name) and I didn’t procrastinate at all so that’s just pure nonsense. We got engaged the 10th of February and quickly started to find a month. We ended up with the decision between March, April or May although we were at the time leaning mostly towards April. I sent you an email in the start of March to let you know that these were the months under discussion, no answer from you. But after discussing it with Mom and (DH's name)’s parents concerning which month has the best weather we ended up deciding on May, more precisely the 9th of May. We told everyone and since you never said anything of any of the months being inconvenient I figured it was ok Mom tell you since she was planning on hearing from you very soon. She then informed me that May 9th was no good for you and since I want you to give me away at the wedding and are an important person, (DH's name) and I moved it 3 weeks to the 30th of May. We knew you’d prefer June after what Mom told us but due to his parents had already planned a trip to the usa in the start of June and that numerous friends of ours will be away in June we had to compromise all these wishes. You were informed of this date around the 22nd of August, ample notice since most people don't get informed until 3-6 months before the wedding, you got 9 months warning. Besides it’s not reasonable to pressure the bride and groom to change the chosen date and only consider the convenience of 1 or 2 people. We had to balance everyone’s preferences and it’s impossible to find a date that everyone is happy with, as you said concerning the date chosen for (daughter's name)’s Christening. It’s up to friends and family to figure out to eventually make an effort and come or not come because they just can’t because of other obligations.

I had only Mom to orientate me as to your plans since you never said much and never let me know what the exact plans were. The last I heard was you were only staying for 2 days and then taking off for Germany for 2 weeks. I’m sorry that there have been misunderstandings but I don’t think it’s entirely my fault. I don’t feel that a mail letting you know I’m sad not to have seen you in all these years is aggressive, is sharing feelings aggressive?

“(Wife's name) and I are extending a huge effort, not to mention expense, in coming to Denmark for the wedding, as well as offering to pay for your photographer – something we were under no obligation to do. Of course, we are glad to do it and would never miss such a happy occasion.”

(DH's name) and I appreciate that you are extending the effort and the expense but what’s with constantly reminding me of how much money it’s costing you to come to my wedding? It’s not polite to talk about how much money it’s gonna cost you to attend someones wedding. (DH's name) and I were also pleased that you offered to pay for the photographer as our wedding present to us but it’s not polite to complain how much a wedding gift is costing you.

“As it turns out, we feel very much the same way you feel...we feel we have been a low priority. We haven't seen you both in 5 years either and have hoped to get a visit from both of you, or at least one of you, especially since (daughter's name) was born. Since (daughter's name) was born, we have received countless excuses for Mom’s not coming over here to visit us. We have felt disappointed and very let down on several occasions when she has decided, for whatever reason, that she cannot make it over for a visit, even when we have offered to pay for her entire trip over here. We changed (daughter's name)’s Christening date and location because Mom said May in Maryland would be better for her than June in New York . Still, she didn't come.”

I’ll start with the problem with Mom: The major problem, besides finances, is that she’s a semi-handicap, she walks badly and often needs assistance when going farther that the mail box since her balance is poor and she’s afraid of falling. She can therefore not travel alone since she’d have a hard time getting around the airport and lifting heavy luggage. The Christening is a can of worms I’m not willing to get into, other than to say that since (my cousin and her DH) were unable to travel with her she couldn’t come because she can’t travel alone as I’ve said. (DH's name) and I would of travelled with her but he unfortunately had to go back to Singapore because of the project and I was and am completely broke. Not only that, I was living off of unemployement checks and working at the crappy job at (another company name here) and had practically just started. There was also the fact that I was only allowed 3 weeks paid vacation and if we were going to spent 2 weeks in the usa later that year and also had a ski trip of a week then it wasn’t possible for me to come either.

“As for you, you said several times that you and (DH's name) were planning a visit this past August, so we planned our summer trip to Maine around that and made no plans for August. You then said that you both planned to visit in September or October and did not have the courtesy of telling us you weren't coming after all until I asked you directly about your plans.”

You’re not being fair. Let me give you a (DH's company) 101 course and being a trainee at the company. When you’re a trainee at (DH's company) you travel when they say, no excuses short of funerals and your own wedding. Not only that, he was part of a project and had to travel at (DH's company) ’s convenience so the project could be finished as quickly as possible. It was an ongoing project from December 2007 to October 2008 where he had to travel accordingly. We weren’t even informed of Singapore until 2 weeks before he had to travel there. At first he was only to be in Australia for at most 1 month, then he wasn’t supposed to go to Perth but (DH's company) changed their minds shortly before he had to go and this combined with that the project was very very delayed, forced my hand. I had to cancel the August trip and further delays forced me to cancel the other months. I had trouble keeping you completely updated because it’s hard to foresee delays and (DH's name) has been poorly informed throughout the entire affair. Not only that, (DH's name) couldn’t tell them to screw the project and take off to the USA without losing his job. He didn’t even get a decent summer vacation, also because he was tired of travelling and because it was so short. He needed a break from travelling and we ended up, with regret, cancelling our trip to the usa . This was also due to the need to save up for the wedding and with only one person making money, it’s not easy to make ends meet in DK, the taxes are horrible and food costs a fortune. We also have a cat, another expense, since she is half blind and needs medicine for her eyes which isn’t cheap. Not only that, the vet bills have been terrible this month and we won’t be able to do a lot of things because of all these bills. Living off of one income is very difficult to do here, almost impossible. (DH's name) and I are doing the best we can under the circumstances.

“While we understand that things got in the way of that visit and it couldn't be helped, the egocentric tone of your email leads me to wonder if either of you ever bothered to imagine how all this has made me and (wife's name) feel...that my mother and sister, the 2 people I feel closest to in my family, have not met my now over 1 year old daughter. Imagine me fielding questions from (wife's name)’s family about why neither my mother nor sister have come over to see (daughter's name) in over a year…I doubt you have indulged in this thought experiment but I can tell you that it is personally embarrassing to me, not that it would matter to someone who is so obviously enclosed in self-obsessive thinking. But, despite feeling hurt and ignored by my family, I would never and have never attempted to lay a guilt-trip on you or Mom for not visiting.”

It doesn’t feel like you understand when you at the same time complain about it. I assure you that Mom and I are sad that we haven’t had the means or opportunity to come and see her. The problems concerning travelling to the usa have been mentioned above. It’s not like we can just take a 2 hour drive, we live in another country thousands of miles away and there are more things to consider and more planning involved.

Your embarrassment is something I don’t understand, entirely beyond me. Surely they can see from all I’ve explained, Mom’s financial and health problems and mine and (DH's name)’s finances and his job situation, that we just can’t leave without a certain amount of planning, saving and , in mom's case, assistance planning. I don’t see anything embarrassing in any of this. They can’t take all this under their consideration before judging us to be bad people? (his wife's name)’s family should try living in the real world were people don’t have lots of money and other real problems, it may be healthy for them. I can’t see these problems as being self obsessive or as blatant attempt to ignore you, these are real problems that need to be handled and dealt with when one plans on travelling halfway around the world. But maybe (DH's name) should tell (DH's company) to screw themselves, lose his job and use all our wedding savings and what little else we have so you don’t suffer further embarrassment from (his wife's name)’s family. Glad to hear we all are en embarrassment to you, nice to know:S

“I know this may come as shocking news to you, but the world does not revolve around you. It's time you heard OUR side of the story and for you and Mom to think about how we feel for once. I have attempted not to pressure either of you to visit and to understand why that has been difficult for you. It is disappointing in the extreme to see that it is a one-way street and you have apparently no insight or empathy into how the fact that only (my cousin and her DH) have made any effort at reciprocity feels to us.”

I’ve been well aware over this for a very long time. Life has taught me numerous lessons, but I don’t see why just because I’m letting you know about mine and Mom’s feelings and problems that have delayed our trip to the usa that you can conclude I’m a selfish person. I’m sorry to hear that your attempts to understand the numerous problems and complications that Mom, (DH's name) and I have to deal with haven’t succeeded. What about some empathy for our financial problems and Mom’s health problems? Who’s sounding like a one-way street now? (My cousin and her DH) have a much easier time getting away, (cousin's DH) has no job and it’s 100 times easier for (cousin) to take time off than it is for (my DH). Other than that, I won’t touch the whole Christening affair since is just a mine field and now that (cousin) and Mom are good friend again, I see no reason to discuss it further. You’ve heard both parties and must make your own conclusions on who is in the wrong there.

“I do not wish to make anyone feel guilty or push anyone into doing anything that they are unwilling or unable to do … in short, guilt-trips are not my style and I would never have sent you a similar email to the one we received. I have let your wishes and that of Mom be our first priority instead of getting on people’s cases about it. I suggest you and Mom, if she put you up to this, rethink about who feels like a low priority.”

As said, it wasn't intented as a guilt trip, that's just how you falsely see it. Even if you did send me a similar email I would not have attacked you the way I feel you have attacked me. I would of just simply explained that due to circumstances it’s not possible to stay longer or come before that. It would never be unwillingness but unability that could stop me from coming. It’s funny you mention unwillingness, that’s hopefully not one of the reasons?! I would have sent you an answer in a polite manner. Mom has not put me up to anything, I’m nearly 30 and can definitely think for myself so leave her out of this whole mess, it’s me who wrote the mail so don’t take it out on her, don’t even mention it!

“We are both sorry and disappointed that neither of you have chosen, for whatever reasons, to visit us and see (daughter's name), when countless invites have been made and we have offered to cover some major expenses in that connection. It is astonishing and insulting to us to hear that we are not making an effort or that we don't care, or that our priorities are somehow misplaced.”

I think the reasons I’ve mentioned are highly reasonable excuses to as why it’s been difficult for all 3 of us to travel to the usa and see her. It hasn’t been a choice, circumstances have gotten in the way. First you say you understand things got in the way, now it’s a deliberate choice, with the added bonus of ignoring you?! I’m confused, either you understand and accept it or you don’t and tell us what horrible people we are. You can’t say you understand and accept and then turn around and attack us for circumstances that have been beyond our control. You have never offered to help (DH) and I with the expenses such a trip would cost and I wouldn’t wish it or accept it, generous as I would of found it.

“To paraphrase you: "It would have been nice if (my name) and (my mother's name) would have made an effort to get to know (his daughter) before her first year". "It's a little strange that (my name) and (my mother's name) will first meet my daughter at age 1 1/2." Sound familiar?”

We have tried to make the effort but what exactly would you suggest as a solution to all the problems I’ve discussed? Not only that, before you had her I don’t understand why you couldn’t find some time to come to DK and see me and Mom. You were both making money and weren’t as tied down by job situations and financial problems as us 3. You said at least 2 times that you would come by during summer and both times cancelled. You even, as I understand, went to Germany and were unable to find time to come here. Correct me if I’m wrong, please. Help me understand that because it made us feel like we were a low priority when you couldn’t scoot by Denmark for 2-3 days.

“Your comment about (DH) is also beyond the pale and totally ridiculous. Until (DH) proposed to you, he was of absolutely no interest to me. He was just a boyfriend at that point. In the brief time that has elapsed since your engagement, we have not had an opportunity to visit Denmark and you have made several false starts at visiting us. Recall that I thought I was going to meet (DH) last Fall…it was you who changed that.”

This comment is not only extremely ridiculous and very unflattering of your personality, it’s also very insulting. I needed a few hours to calm down because it enraged me. (DH) convinced me to calm down before writing you back because otherwise this email would have a very different tone. Nice to say a thing like that to your future brother-in-law! Imagine if I had said the same of (his wife's name) while you were dating: “I don’t care to meet (his wife's name) because she means nothing and is of absolutely no interest to me until you’re engaged to her.” You would have hit the roof, called me rude and selfish and disowned me instantly! I met (his wife's name) before you were engaged, she meant/means something to you and therefore she meant enough to me that I wanted to meet her and get to know her, despite her lack of an engagement ring. It’s only natural to want to meet a sibling’s boy- or girlfriend, it’s also polite especially if they’ve been dating the person for at least 2 years. (DH) has all these 5 years been a person who has loved and supported me through everything. He has been one of the very few I can always count on and he is the man I love, passionately. To talk about him in this fashion is therefore a huge insult to me. You’ve had these past 5 years to come, even mentioning meeting me and him e.g. for lunch. Was that just bullshit and you had no intention of meeting him? Here you have gone way too far and should really apologize for saying it since you’ve taken my mail to a whole other level than was intended.

As you can see, (DH)’s job makes it hard to make definite plans and was why I was forced to constantly reschedule. No reason to say more here.

“I am shocked and dismayed that after all of this, you would dare to question my devotion or my priorities. Grow up, get over yourself and attempt to think about the flip side for once. Please do not expect us to come to the wedding until you see the light and apologize to Ann and me for your sarcastic and totally inappropriate email. I expect your apology forthwith; in fact I will accept nothing less.”

I’m shocked that you question the enormous hurdles Mom, (DH) and I have encountered in our attempts to try and find money, time and opportunity to make a trip and see you and your daughter. I’ve gotten over myself a long time ago, maybe you should be careful of who you say things like that to because it may come back!

I’m sorry that I even mentioned all this and that you’ve misunderstood my intentions. I’m sorry that you don’t seem to understand the problems that have been encountered and that have been serious enough to get in the way of a trip to the usa . I’m sorry you think it’s sarcastic an inappropriate because I don’t see the sarcastic in saying I’m sad you couldn’t meet (DH) before the wedding, something any person would be sad about, try putting yourself in my shoes. I’m sorry to hear the man I love most in this world was of no interest to you until our engagement, that’s very sad to know because he’s an amazing person that you’ve been missing out on.

This is the best apology I can do due to the hostile and defensive tone you’ve taken to a rather harmless email.

I know my answers aren't all very diplomatic but I felt he was going too far on some accounts. But considering how mad I was I feel like I was being pretty polite.
 
Gosh, that is hostile! It is not your fault you did not know it took them that long to get your niece.
 

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