fed up of being told breast is best!!!

[alio]

Is BF a newborn as hard to do if you're still BFing a toddler?

believe its called tandem feeding? at least your already experienced and have lots of milk lol don't really know much about it though

anyway, as far as the op goes i do agree the support for ff'ers and propective ff'ers should equate to support for bf'ers. a lady in my town put herself in front of a train recently due to pressure on her from professionals to breastfeed when she didn't want to. she was made to feel like a failure... the only person who was really failed in this was the 9 week old baby she left behind. i do wonder what would happen if she'd been offered support to embrace her choice without guilt. nothing is worth that. NOTHING.

that's very sad however she should have got help regarding pnd or something similar rather than bf/ff

she didn't have pnd. sorry.

 

[winegums]

i said something similar if you read my post. sorry.

 

[fuzzylu]

do you know this thread is really making me panic as i SO want to bf in future and it's reminding me how bloody hard it was lol im terrified. BUT one thing i will be doing is contacting breastfeeding workers before i give birth and tell them about last time and explain that im worried and see if i can get some support set up for after the birth! maybe ill be more relaxed then.

this is a brilliant idea the more support and information you get the better for you. the le leche league is very good for support they even have telephone numbers you can call to talk to expriencesd and trained breastfeeding women. this kind of support should be avalible within the nhs!
there should be local breastfeeding groups in your area which i have heard are very good as you get to meet other mums with the same issues (although havent had personal exprience of this)

xx

 

[alio]

i said something similar if you read my post. sorry.

she shouldn't have had to....

 

[winegums]

i said something similar if you read my post. sorry.

she shouldn't have had to....

i said 'you' are you talking about yourself in third person?! I'm really confused.

 

[alio]

i said something similar if you read my post. sorry.

she shouldn't have had to....

i said 'you' are you talking about yourself in third person?! I'm really confused.

what i am saying is the lady should not have had to seek help for anything.... she shouldn't have been put in that position in the first place.

sorry if i confused you, i didn't understand your initial reply!

 

[aob1013]

Who wants a hug?

 

[alio]

Who wants a hug?

i'll do a hug! there you go girl. xxx

 

[AppleBlossom]

anyway, as far as the op goes i do agree the support for ff'ers and propective ff'ers should equate to support for bf'ers. a lady in my town put herself in front of a train recently due to pressure on her from professionals to breastfeed when she didn't want to. she was made to feel like a failure... the only person who was really failed in this was the 9 week old baby she left behind. i do wonder what would happen if she'd been offered support to embrace her choice without guilt. nothing is worth that. NOTHING.

That's so sad I mean, I felt nowhere near as terrible as that. But I felt so crap with all the pressure on me to BF and the fact it was so painful I wanted to just up and leave. I started to develop a hatred for Grace because the pain was so horrible for me (worse than labour in fact, I would rather labour 10 times over than have the pain of BFing again) which sounds absolutely terrible but everytime she cried and I knew she wanted feeding the resentment would grow a bit more. But I had people telling me if I stoppped BFing I would be a failure. I didn't want to BF at all but I was also pressured into that.

I had to stop not just for Grace's benefit but for my own. I hate to think what I would have done had I carried on going through that over 15 times a day. I wouldn't have gone as far as that poor poor woman I think. But I know had I carried on much longer I would probably have just packed my bags and left. I feel horrible when I think back to those days and knowing I felt so shitty because of one simple thing like feeding my own child and that it could drive me to hate her and want to leave her by herself without a mummy. I was going through a lot of other stuff, mainly mental and sometimes physical abuse from FOB which didn't help. In a way, although it sounds ridiculous, having the option of FF actually saved me and my sanity

 

[xUniquex]

Just wanted to clarify that a newborns stomach only needs 7ml of milk to fill it,but a coating of just 5ml of Breast Milk is enough to satisfy baby until their next feed.

Sorry to be a nit picker but i like the facts to be accurate!

Just wanted to add too that i think a lot of women who try to BF GENUINELY believe that they are not producing enough milk,simply because they expect their bubs to feed the same as FF bubs do,or because of the crazy logic that a baby who feeds frequently isn't getting enough.


This can all be overcome by education,which unfortunately some dont want as they feel they are having it 'rammed down their throat',usually those who do want info dont get it or struggle to get it!

The fact is that women are being failed again and again by HP's ,family members and friends !

And whoever it was that said some women leave their babies on the breast for an easy life is talking rubbish!!Which is easier?Having the baby suckling your breast or shoving a dummy in its mouth?

Double

For that reason I am now ducking out of this thread.........

OBVIOUSLY i am missing something here? My point is valid is it not? or do i have to find the post i'm referring to and quote ?

 

[Janidog]

I always giggle when women say that FF babies will be obese and BF babies stay slim - my sister and I are identical twins and BF for 3months + and yet I stayed slender all my life and my sister has been having problems with her weight over the years.

Correlation and causation are different things meaning just because a greater % of people who have been FF are obese does not imply that formula has caused this. There is a lot of socio-economic factors

 

[aob1013]

My brother and I were bottle fed and have always been tiny! x

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Ally I'll have a hug thanks
xx

 

[alio]

anyway, as far as the op goes i do agree the support for ff'ers and propective ff'ers should equate to support for bf'ers. a lady in my town put herself in front of a train recently due to pressure on her from professionals to breastfeed when she didn't want to. she was made to feel like a failure... the only person who was really failed in this was the 9 week old baby she left behind. i do wonder what would happen if she'd been offered support to embrace her choice without guilt. nothing is worth that. NOTHING.

That's so sad I mean, I felt nowhere near as terrible as that. But I felt so crap with all the pressure on me to BF and the fact it was so painful I wanted to just up and leave. I started to develop a hatred for Grace because the pain was so horrible for me (worse than labour in fact, I would rather labour 10 times over than have the pain of BFing again) which sounds absolutely terrible but everytime she cried and I knew she wanted feeding the resentment would grow a bit more. But I had people telling me if I stoppped BFing I would be a failure. I didn't want to BF at all but I was also pressured into that.

I had to stop not just for Grace's benefit but for my own. I hate to think what I would have done had I carried on going through that over 15 times a day. I wouldn't have gone as far as that poor poor woman I think. But I know had I carried on much longer I would probably have just packed my bags and left. I feel horrible when I think back to those days and knowing I felt so shitty because of one simple thing like feeding my own child and that it could drive me to hate her and want to leave her by herself without a mummy. I was going through a lot of other stuff, mainly mental and sometimes physical abuse from FOB which didn't help. In a way, although it sounds ridiculous, having the option of FF actually saved me and my sanity

honestly bexy, ff saved me too... i won't pretend to be an expert on depression or PND but at the end of the day, even if the lady in this case had been diagnosed with PND one of the causes would likely have been the pressure on her to BF when she didn't want to. that would have been preventable / avoidable. yes, this is extreme but is it really a lot to ask to share support between all feeding options? i could understand them suppressing ff support if it was so very detrimental but come on, we all know it's not. not REALLY....

 

[alio]

I always giggle when women say that FF babies will be obese and BF babies stay slim - my sister and I are identical twins and BF for 3months + and yet I stayed slender all my life and my sister has been having problems with her weight over the years.

Correlation and causation are different things meaning just because a greater % of people who have been FF are obese does not imply that formula has caused this. There is a lot of socio-economic factors

really good point. x

 

[AppleBlossom]

anyway, as far as the op goes i do agree the support for ff'ers and propective ff'ers should equate to support for bf'ers. a lady in my town put herself in front of a train recently due to pressure on her from professionals to breastfeed when she didn't want to. she was made to feel like a failure... the only person who was really failed in this was the 9 week old baby she left behind. i do wonder what would happen if she'd been offered support to embrace her choice without guilt. nothing is worth that. NOTHING.

That's so sad I mean, I felt nowhere near as terrible as that. But I felt so crap with all the pressure on me to BF and the fact it was so painful I wanted to just up and leave. I started to develop a hatred for Grace because the pain was so horrible for me (worse than labour in fact, I would rather labour 10 times over than have the pain of BFing again) which sounds absolutely terrible but everytime she cried and I knew she wanted feeding the resentment would grow a bit more. But I had people telling me if I stoppped BFing I would be a failure. I didn't want to BF at all but I was also pressured into that.

I had to stop not just for Grace's benefit but for my own. I hate to think what I would have done had I carried on going through that over 15 times a day. I wouldn't have gone as far as that poor poor woman I think. But I know had I carried on much longer I would probably have just packed my bags and left. I feel horrible when I think back to those days and knowing I felt so shitty because of one simple thing like feeding my own child and that it could drive me to hate her and want to leave her by herself without a mummy. I was going through a lot of other stuff, mainly mental and sometimes physical abuse from FOB which didn't help. In a way, although it sounds ridiculous, having the option of FF actually saved me and my sanity

honestly bexy, ff saved me too... i won't pretend to be an expert on depression or PND but at the end of the day, even if the lady in this case had been diagnosed with PND one of the causes would likely have been the pressure on her to BF when she didn't want to. that would have been preventable / avoidable. yes, this is extreme but is it really a lot to ask to share support between all feeding options? i could understand them suppressing ff support if it was so very detrimental but come on, we all know it's not. not REALLY....

I completely agree. Like I said, I am in no way offended NOW by people telling me FF is pumping your child full of rubbish etc but back when I was a 19 year old first time mum being told I was basically crap at what I was doing was very upsetting. I never got praise for it while I did it, just told to keep going or I would be failing my child. I feel silly for looking back and thinking just how far it drove me but a lot of people who BF don't really understand just how much the pressure to BF can actually affect someone. It comes naturally to a lot of women, for others it's harder and yes, perserverance is often the best way forward. For me, it would have been almost dangerous. BFing support should be given. But FF support should also be given for those who don't choose to BF or can't for whatever reason

 

[alio]

anyway, as far as the op goes i do agree the support for ff'ers and propective ff'ers should equate to support for bf'ers. a lady in my town put herself in front of a train recently due to pressure on her from professionals to breastfeed when she didn't want to. she was made to feel like a failure... the only person who was really failed in this was the 9 week old baby she left behind. i do wonder what would happen if she'd been offered support to embrace her choice without guilt. nothing is worth that. NOTHING.

That's so sad I mean, I felt nowhere near as terrible as that. But I felt so crap with all the pressure on me to BF and the fact it was so painful I wanted to just up and leave. I started to develop a hatred for Grace because the pain was so horrible for me (worse than labour in fact, I would rather labour 10 times over than have the pain of BFing again) which sounds absolutely terrible but everytime she cried and I knew she wanted feeding the resentment would grow a bit more. But I had people telling me if I stoppped BFing I would be a failure. I didn't want to BF at all but I was also pressured into that.

I had to stop not just for Grace's benefit but for my own. I hate to think what I would have done had I carried on going through that over 15 times a day. I wouldn't have gone as far as that poor poor woman I think. But I know had I carried on much longer I would probably have just packed my bags and left. I feel horrible when I think back to those days and knowing I felt so shitty because of one simple thing like feeding my own child and that it could drive me to hate her and want to leave her by herself without a mummy. I was going through a lot of other stuff, mainly mental and sometimes physical abuse from FOB which didn't help. In a way, although it sounds ridiculous, having the option of FF actually saved me and my sanity

honestly bexy, ff saved me too... i won't pretend to be an expert on depression or PND but at the end of the day, even if the lady in this case had been diagnosed with PND one of the causes would likely have been the pressure on her to BF when she didn't want to. that would have been preventable / avoidable. yes, this is extreme but is it really a lot to ask to share support between all feeding options? i could understand them suppressing ff support if it was so very detrimental but come on, we all know it's not. not REALLY....

I completely agree. Like I said, I am in no way offended NOW by people telling me FF is pumping your child full of rubbish etc but back when I was a 19 year old first time mum being told I was basically crap at what I was doing was very upsetting. I never got praise for it while I did it, just told to keep going or I would be failing my child. I feel silly for looking back and thinking just how far it drove me but a lot of people who BF don't really understand just how much the pressure to BF can actually affect someone. It comes naturally to a lot of women, for others it's harder and yes, perserverance is often the best way forward. For me, it would have been almost dangerous. BFing support should be given. But FF support should also be given for those who don't choose to BF or can't for whatever reason

agreed totally..... that's it, i'm off to bed so no one can question my parenting style and say we all spend too much time on forums rather than looking after our children! hee hee.... night everyone. peace out.

 

[scicraft]

I'm going to ff as I'm on an immune suppressant that would get passed to my baby if I breast fed. I did really want to breast feed but my gastroenterologist took it off the table as going off my meds would be really dangerous for me.

I'm extremely interested in ff vs. bf so I've been spending a little bit of time every week doing research on it. I found some interesting studies (in the NCBI science journal database, so it's all primary literature). It appears that one of the main reasons that ff babies are more likely to be obese is that formula contains the wrong percentage of protein compared to breast milk. Formula contains the same % of protein as breast milk but it's made up of a different kind of protein - that of cow's milk. The theory is that decreasing the amount of protein would prevent overweight babies and decrease the risk of diabetes but they have only been able to test it in piglets so far. Testing on human babies is hard to get approval for (as it should be), especially when dealing with something as serious as nutrition.


The difference in bf depending on geography is really interesting and I wonder what the difference is (education, support, culture, # of women who go back to work?).

Looking at numbers of women still breastfeeding at birth and then again 4-6 months from 2000-2005:
92% drops to 30% for women from Africa
70-72% drops to 30% for Canada, and the US
93% drops to 60% for women from East and South Asia
50-75% drops to 5% for women from France
50-75% drops to 7% for women from the UK
99-97% drops to 65% for women from Norway and Sweden.

From:
Nutrition Research Reviews
Breast- v. formula-feeding: impacts on the digestive tract and immediate and long-term health effects


The drop off is significant for all areas, which indicates to me that women aren't getting the best support in the long run to keep bfing if they want to.

For women in the UK and France, did any of you have babies before 2005? Was breastfeeding encouraged then less so than it is now? I wonder if the low numbers from a few years ago is what has triggered the big push that is going on now.

 

[Dragonfly]

I always wondered how so many here cant breastfeed yet in Norway nearly all the woman are and I dont mean in a support way that is part of it but the medical way people say they ant breastfeed only seems to not exist in Norway.

 

[Dream.A.Dream]

I agree with everything alio said. I have PND and am on meds for it, I know fully that the cause was not being able to BF when I'd been told so many times that I should.