Sch group (Subchorionic Hematoma)

[Yo_Yo]

Thanks for all the thoughts. Apparently magnesium is v common in Germany but I've never heard of it at home.

thanks for all the comments and sorry we're all going through this x

Are you bsck from Germany now honey? Must have been awful, especially in another country.

 

[Ferreroroche]

Sorry you're spotting browning again Yo-yo.

Ferreroroche - if you go to User CP and on the left-hand side click the "signature" link, you can add a ticker there. You need to go to a ticker website (click on any of our tickers and it'll take you there), set it up, and at the end it'll give you the code to put in your signature here on BnB.

I asked early on about progesterone, and my doctor was against it completely. She said it was a very controversial topic in obstetrics, and could not recommended me to use it, and advised me to stay away from "at home self-diagnosing".

Shinona - welcome to the board. Hope you're doing ok. Ask any questions you have, there's lots of nice ladies on this thread.

Yes, progesterone is not universal here, but has been used in ivf for years, I myself have used it 4 times without any adverse effects and in Eastern Europe many many women use it their whole pregnancy. It is also in more common usage by people who are at risk of preterm labour/cervix shortening.

There are no known adverse effects but I think because there isn't yet enou conclusive evidence that it works either doctors are patchy in prescribing it.

I personally am very comfortable using it because I am familiar with it and both my ivf consultant and gp were happy to prescribe it.

I however chose not to take the magnesium I bought because the midwives would not confirm that it was safe (even though there is plenty of literature on the web to say it is), because I didn't want to take anything that wasn't backed by at least one of my medical team.

I am very anti taking anything in pregnancy unless I am 100% certain there are no ill effects! but with progesterone I have a lot of experience using it and therefore was happy that my gp would allow me to continue it.

 

[Ferreroroche]

Ps. Thanks for the ticker advice. Finally got it! I want to see my countdown!

 

[Frizzabelle]

I'm in the uk and wasn't offered anything for my sch. I was literally just left until I turned 24 weeks and then I got extra appointments/scans! x

 

[Frizzabelle]

And yes thank you for ticker advice! I had no idea how to do it either lol.
Mine says baby nearly weighs three pounds but my scan on Tuesday says he's already 3lb 5oz, little porker! Hehe x

 

[Ferreroroche]

I'm in the uk and wasn't offered anything for my sch. I was literally just left until I turned 24 weeks and then I got extra appointments/scans! x

Yeah that is standard practice in uk. To basically shrug the shoulders and send you on your way. That is what the hospital did to me.

I had to fight for 1 extra scan at 18 weeks because the consultant wanted to discharge me to the midwife when I was still bleeding and I said I wasn't really satisfied with that approach.

The hospital didn't offer me. Progesterone, my gp did because she was already prescribing it for my ivf pregnancy and was happy to continue.

Since my 20 week scan, a new consultant offered me a 28 week appt and growth secs because she admitted that sch's can cause growth restriction (if they interfere with placenta), but I am having a private scan on Saturday at little under 24 weeks to check on it for peace of mind.

If I hadn't had a gp who knows my ivf and miscarriage history and is sympathetic, and hadn't thrown a few wobblers here and there, I would not have had any additional assistance in the uk. I'm just very Bolshy and after a bad experience with my first son and terrible treatment during my miscarriage, I won't let them ignore me now!

 

[mara16jade]

Maybe SCHs aren't very well understood by many doctors. When I had my first bleed, the on-call doctor didn't tell me much and just said to go on pelvic rest since bleeding in pregnancy is common, but still concerning. Then sent me home with miscarriage paperwork.

The second doctor (my actual doctor) just sort of shrugged her shoulders and said to be optimistic and hope I don't miscarry since there's nothing they can do. When I asked if I should stay on pelvic rest, she just said, "well, its up to you. If you think it'll help...". She said she hasn't been told whether or not its helpful, so she can't recommend it one way or the other. (A few weeks later, and her getting pissy with me...I switched doctors). (I saw a few more doctors due to bleeds and being told to go in, and each one said to remain on pelvic rest.)

Then I saw the specialist for my NT scan, and he was adamant that I remain on pelvic rest and he was happy to hear I kept on it, even though it was sort of/kind of/not really recommended.

When I started seeing my new normal doctor, she also said to remain on pelvic rest until further notice, and she would tell me when it was safe for me to come off. And she's still going to give me growth scans every 6-8 weeks until birth since they're concerned LO is a "huge" baby. lol I think they have my dates wrong. He's measuring perfect with when I ovulated, not my LMP.

Anyways... I think some doctors are just not well versed in SCHs and don't know what to say. I personally think they should always err on the side of caution and recommend you be on pelvic rest. If its the least you can do, then do it. IMO.

 

[Ferreroroche]

Maybe SCHs aren't very well understood by many doctors. When I had my first bleed, the on-call doctor didn't tell me much and just said to go on pelvic rest since bleeding in pregnancy is common, but still concerning. Then sent me home with miscarriage paperwork.

The second doctor (my actual doctor) just sort of shrugged her shoulders and said to be optimistic and hope I don't miscarry since there's nothing they can do. When I asked if I should stay on pelvic rest, she just said, "well, its up to you. If you think it'll help...". She said she hasn't been told whether or not its helpful, so she can't recommend it one way or the other. (A few weeks later, and her getting pissy with me...I switched doctors). (I saw a few more doctors due to bleeds and being told to go in, and each one said to remain on pelvic rest.)

Then I saw the specialist for my NT scan, and he was adamant that I remain on pelvic rest and he was happy to hear I kept on it, even though it was sort of/kind of/not really recommended.

When I started seeing my new normal doctor, she also said to remain on pelvic rest until further notice, and she would tell me when it was safe for me to come off. And she's still going to give me growth scans every 6-8 weeks until birth since they're concerned LO is a "huge" baby. lol I think they have my dates wrong. He's measuring perfect with when I ovulated, not my LMP.

Anyways... I think some doctors are just not well versed in SCHs and don't know what to say. I personally think they should always err on the side of caution and recommend you be on pelvic rest. If its the least you can do, then do it. IMO.

Exactly right Mara,

They really don't yet know enough about them to be consistent and helpful, so we have to fight for what we want/need to reassure us and do what we are comfortable with.

I have been on bedrest since 11 weeks despite the consultants saying not to bother because my gp supports me being cautious and is willing to sign me off work, and I feel like I am doing my best to give my baby a chance.

Even if it went wrong at least I could say to myself "I gave it my all".

 

[mara16jade]

Even if it went wrong at least I could say to myself "I gave it my all".

And that is the thing that got me through the roughest part of it. I knew in my heart and soul, that if anything went wrong, I had done everything I could think of.

Spoiler

A side story that sticks with me all the time. A lady had been struggling to get pregnant, had one loss a year before and finally got pregnant. Everything was going great until she caught a cold. She was asking people what she could take and some people told her to just be careful with what she read online as "safe". She ended up taking 2-3 "class c" OTC drugs even when others warned her about them. She and a few others had "read on the internet that they were ok" though. She miscarried about two weeks later. If that was me....I'd be a total mess. I don't deal with guilt well, and that would have ate me up. Of course there's not way to tell if that was a cause, but in my mind...it wasn't the safest decision either.

 

[Yo_Yo]

Totally agree that's some doctors/obstetricians don't really understand sch's. The three doctors/ob's I've seen could not answer hardly any of my questions. I read only 1% of us lucky ladies get sch's so maybe they don't get much specific training in it.

So much conflicting things get told to us, we just have to go on instinct sometimes. I know if rather be cautious than not. But here in the UK it really feels like it's a real lack of empathy.
They sent me off first time aftery first bleed, with no info, no follow up appointment, no advice, no telling me what I could possibly expect to happen following my diagnosis. It's awful!

 

[mara16jade]

Its frustrating. I'm so glad I found this thread months ago when my SCH was diagnosed.

 

[Ferreroroche]

Hideous isn't it?

The Obstetrician on duty discharged me from hospital while I was still bleeding heavily, just 2 minutes after my scan.

She said "well your baby's ok so you can go home now". No explanation. I said "what about the fact I am still bleeding. She just said "just come back if it gets worse".

When I started asking her questions about work and sch's she put her hand on my shoulder and said in a really patronising votive "how old are you?"

I said 35. Then she said "oh, I thought you were only in your early twenties, you look much younger"

Yeah, you thought I was some young, naive idiot you could fob off. Cheek!

 

[mara16jade]

^^Whoa! How rude! Who cares how old you are, if you're worried...you're worried! You have all the right to question what's going on and voice concern that your unborn baby may be in danger. Wow....

 

[Elkalemi]

Not feeling confident anymore. I went out last night and on the way I hope I felt this pressure in my abdomen and I said to my husband I think I am bleeding. Sure I enough I was. Almost the same as before, red blood and it seemed to run out. Once I had cleaned myself it's no longer as heavy and no clot. But coupled with no hb on Tuesday maybe my fs was right even tho the ultrasound at the other clinic said I had growth and now an embryo appear.

My question is does lying down reduce the blood flow? I have had no clot and apart from that initial pressure no cramps.

It's taking me so long to get to here with donor eggs, after my own 2 eggs miscarried. Just feeling disappointed.

 

[mara16jade]

I could feel the gush starting, and as soon as I would stand up...it was like a faucet sometimes. Sometimes it was a slow gush, and other times it was very fast and abundant.

I'm so sorry you had another bleed. I hope you get some good news soon.

 

[Yo_Yo]

They discharges me straight away too! No questions how heavy I was bleeding, nothing!
The nhs obstetrician just told me to google for info on sch's!! Seriously?!!!

 

[Yo_Yo]

Not feeling confident anymore. I went out last night and on the way I hope I felt this pressure in my abdomen and I said to my husband I think I am bleeding. Sure I enough I was. Almost the same as before, red blood and it seemed to run out. Once I had cleaned myself it's no longer as heavy and no clot. But coupled with no hb on Tuesday maybe my fs was right even tho the ultrasound at the other clinic said I had growth and now an embryo appear.

My question is does lying down reduce the blood flow? I have had no clot and apart from that initial pressure no cramps.

It's taking me so long to get to here with donor eggs, after my own 2 eggs miscarried. Just feeling disappointed.

so sorry your having another bleed.
I do believe lying down helps. I was reading there's more blood flow to the uterus when your walking/stood up.
Stay in bed, feet up.x

 

[GreenStar]

Hi everyone, just a quick update, it turns out my heavy bleeding and clots wasn't the sch after all, but baby coming away. It had all passed by he time I had a scan yesterday. They said they didn't know if it had anything to do with my sch or not, but my gut feeling is not, as it had a very low heartrate at my first scan which is usually a sign something is wrong.

Thanks for all your good wishes and support for the short time I was here, sending you lots of hugs and wishing you all a much better outcome than mine xx

 

[Elkalemi]

Hi everyone, just a quick update, it turns out my heavy bleeding and clots wasn't the sch after all, but baby coming away. It had all passed by he time I had a scan yesterday. They said they didn't know if it had anything to do with my sch or not, but my gut feeling is not, as it had a very low heartrate at my first scan which is usually a sign something is wrong.

Thanks for all your good wishes and support for the short time I was here, sending you lots of hugs and wishing you all a much better outcome than mine xx

GreenStar, life is very terrible unfair xx take care of yourself.

AFM: I went to the emergency dept, because I am RH neg blood I thought I should have an anti-d injection. They did an internal and said my cervix is closed and he didn't see much red blood but could see a brown discharge and but no clots or cuts to indicate anything there.

When I was at my fs on Tues I asked about the bleed and he reckons it was the body indicating that its not working. I just don't know what to think about that.

They gave me a blood test and my hcg is 34k ish so that is up from 5298 11 days ago but still means nothing unless I have a follow up to see if rising since this last . At the ED they didn't give me a ultrasound as they thought what I had done was sufficient and that the sizing was good. I would have liked one to just see at least.

I am so emotionally drained I feel I could sleep for a week.

 

[Yo_Yo]

Hi everyone, just a quick update, it turns out my heavy bleeding and clots wasn't the sch after all, but baby coming away. It had all passed by he time I had a scan yesterday. They said they didn't know if it had anything to do with my sch or not, but my gut feeling is not, as it had a very low heartrate at my first scan which is usually a sign something is wrong.

Thanks for all your good wishes and support for the short time I was here, sending you lots of hugs and wishing you all a much better outcome than mine xx

Oh no. I'm so, so sorry honey
Sending you hugs x