Soy Isoflavones! Natures Clomid!

[Jaz78]

nfg - congrats!!!!!!!!!! thats so awesome that you got your BFP!!!

soili - that sucks that soy doesnt seem to be working for you. how long is your cycle normally?

crystal - opks didnt work for me when i was TTCing #1. I got positives when i wasnt Oing and a negative when i did! I conceived DD on a negative OPK so i wouldnt take them as gospel. do you temp chart?

pocoHR - damn about forgetting a tab! i'd be tempted to take them a day longer instead but i have no idea if this is a good idea or not

mrsine - your chart is really weird. do you ever have extra long cycles? i'd be tempted to think that you didnt O, but then you did have a nice (albeit very short) temp rise.

Nothing to report here! Just riding out the TWW (CD35, 5DPO). Geeze i hate TWW, not just for the waiting but because i cant have a glass of wine!!! I dont mind not drinking if i'm pregnant, but i hate not being able to stuff just in case IYKWIM

 

[angel11]

Hi Ladies

I posted about this on another soy thread but can do with some more input. I am on my 3rd cycle after stopping BC. I have used Vitex now for 2 cycles and I am on 11dpo today. I am so confused as to which way to go now. On the one end I have heard good things about Vitex and some people say to at least give it 3 months to work properly. This cycle, it did bring my ovulation date forward with 3 days which is already good.

On the other hand, I have read conflicting (but mostly good), things about Soy. I have also read that say and Vitex should not be taken together.

So, my question is, can soy and Vitex be taken together? Has anyone did this and got a BFP?

If not, how long after stopping vitex, can I start taking soy?

The only soy isoflavone supplement I could find so far (Kodel's phytofemme), actually contains soy, wild yam, dong quai and vitex in combinatino.

Any thoughts and ideas will be greatly appreciated.

oh - I have ovulated now every cycle so far (I chart so I get my temp rises), but my cycles are rather long and I would like to bring my O date forward and get a stronger O.


Thanks ladies

 

[poppy666]

Your correct you wont able to use them togethor sweetie and if your Soy tablets have vitex in i wouldnt take them, can you not order some off Amazon? The less ingredients you have in the Soy supplement the better x

 

[angel11]

Hey poppy666. Thanks for replying hun. I can try and find some other ones, but not sure whether I should just stop my Vitex? I took a high dose up until Ovulation, after which I went down to 1 tablet daily (400mg). Should I stop as AF starts and then take soy?

Another question (sorry), but I see different options of times in your cycle to take soy. Does it matter which of those options you choose or should you use specific ones based on your cycles? For example, I ovulated on CD 22 this cycle and CD 25 last cycle. Last cycle I had a 38 day cycle.

Can I take soy this new cycle from CD3 - 7?

 

[poppy666]

With what ive read if you have short cycles take on CD2-6, CD3-7 and long cycles ie 31+ days take on CD5-9. Some ladies try one cycle and if it dont work they try a different one.

Dont worry about asking too many questions everyone is great on here and will help as much as they can

 

[angel11]

Thanks hun. Anyone here taken vitex prior to soy?

 

[lucyoz34]

Hello girls, hope you don't mind me joining x Iv been on the ex-mirena thread for ages, a few have mentioned soy, and have decided to give it a try.
I'm 34, been ttcing since mirena removal sept '10, caught first cycle, but sadly miscarried at 15 weeks. Although Iv been temping, opking etc, Im not entirely convinced Iv been ovulating, and my luteal phase seems to vary from 9-16 days. This cycle I started spotting on 7dpo, Im 11dpo now and still spotting. Though Iv had a bfn every morning. I just know its af. So Iv bought some soy, b complex with folic acid and evening primrose oil vits. Iv been taking pregnecare conception plus for a while, would it be best to stop that? Id really appreciate some advice on how best to take the soy, Iv heard a few different things. Thank you very much xx

love and hugs xxx

 

[Jaz78]

angel - have you used vitex for 3 months now? I'd probably give it one more cycle to see if it makes more of a difference and then try soy since you have already put the hard yards in with trying it out for 3 months I actually started taking vitex about 3 weeks ago but i stopped last week when i decided to try soy next cycle (i'm currently in the TWW and have 42+ day cycles).

I have been taking a "mega" vitamin B supplement to get an extra dose of B6 and B12 as my LP used to be only 11 days. It works beautifully for me and LP is now 14 days. Should I keep taking this with the soy?

 

[angel11]

Hey Jaz78. Thanks for your response. I also thought that perhaps I should give Vitex one more month (which would be month nr 2). It might even shorten my cycle with a few more days as it already has (or it might have been the B6).

I am 12dpo today and last cycle, I started spotting on 12dpo and had my temperature fall on 13dpo. No sign so far of AF.

On this cycle I had no AF cramps. Last cycle I had AF cramps from ovulation to AF. This cycle, I have only had a strange sharp pain on my left side since ovulation. No other cramping or anything.

Had a BFN yesterday at 11dpo but hoping that perhaps it was too early.

FX'ed for BFP's for all of you.

 

[mrsine]

Thank you PocoH. I initially thought that but things haven't gotten much better. I think this might be a cycle where I won't ovulate. Could you guys please take a look at the chart. Link below.

Congrats to the pregnant mummies!!

Hi guys, i've been off and on here. I've been terrible at charting consistently but could you please take a look at my chart? I usually OV on day 21 or 22 from previous charts but this one is just plain weird!! My link is below

Maybe you ovulated early, like day 18/19? Are you having any symptoms?

 

[elliots.mum]

Thanks hun. Anyone here taken vitex prior to soy?

hi Angel i took vitex for 1 month before starting soy... i figured that i may as well give soy a try and if it doesnt work i can go back to vitex and from 5 weeks of using vitex, i did notice a big over all difference, especially in regards to the menstrual cycle colour and pain.

 

[Jaz78]

angel - B6 should help extend LP, not bring forward O, so hopefully the vitex is working. Thats great that AF seems to be staying away. I got my BFP at 12DPO with my daughter and it was soooo faint. I doubt it would have been positive the day before. Good luck!!

 

[Crystal94560]

Im convinced my opk's hate me.
Left- clearblue eady digital (both negative) right- answer strips, cd14 clearly positive....wth, why cant clearblue digital just Agree already? Should I even count it as a positive opk?
Link to pics -
https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/Crystal94040/062011102214.jpg

 

[Scholesy]

nfg - congratulatons, another soy success

Crystal - I feel your pain with opks, I have PCOS and have multiple positive opks each cycle. They are usually 'just about' positive, some cycles I notice my last pos opk is very strong but this is not always the case. I just record them all and make sure I BD every other day until I'm certain I've ovulated. I ended up ovulating a week later than I originally thought this cycle.

To all the ladies asking about supplements etc. I'm sorry but I have zero knowledge in this area. I only take a multi-vit, folic acid and this is my first cycle on soy. I'm also taking fish oil tablets in this tww as I read they help implantation.

As for me, I'm pretty excited today as I've had a big temp dip at 5dpo. Implantation maybe? I've never had one before. I know that they usually mean nothing, but after months of negative hpts and fertility testing it's nice to have something to be excited about. I had strange cramps 4 and 5 dpo too! Just praying my temps stay high or increase now

 

[poppy666]

nfg - congratulatons, another soy success

Crystal - I feel your pain with opks, I have PCOS and have multiple positive opks each cycle. They are usually 'just about' positive, some cycles I notice my last pos opk is very strong but this is not always the case. I just record them all and make sure I BD every other day until I'm certain I've ovulated. I ended up ovulating a week later than I originally thought this cycle.

To all the ladies asking about supplements etc. I'm sorry but I have zero knowledge in this area. I only take a multi-vit, folic acid and this is my first cycle on soy. I'm also taking fish oil tablets in this tww as I read they help implantation.

As for me, I'm pretty excited today as I've had a big temp dip at 5dpo. Implantation maybe? I've never had one before. I know that they usually mean nothing, but after months of negative hpts and fertility testing it's nice to have something to be excited about. I had strange cramps 4 and 5 dpo too! Just praying my temps stay high or increase now

Fx'd sweetie

 

[Crystal94560]

Ohh good luck. Finger xsed for you!

I got bored and did another opk strip and now it looks like cd 13 again.
I don't know much about pcos....hopefully I dont have it.. Off to google... Lol

 

[prettymachine]

omg i took my first ever dose last night, and went out shopping and really felt like i was having a panic attack , only felt like this on clomid so guessing it could be side e
ffect. what do ya reckon and has anyone else had this please xx

i didnt have this but i always took my soy right before bed so i wouldnt notice side effects, and it totally worked for me! the only actually side effect i nticed was how strong/slightly painful ovulation was from it. i say try it at bedtime and see if it feels easier on you!

So your current pregnancy, you conceived after using Soy??

yes i did! first cycle with soy, as well.

 

[Crystal94560]

Bleh... Same ol same ol. Fingers crossed for obvious opks tomorrow. I do have a little bit of pinching pain on my left side. Hopefully it is my ovary gearing up?!

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/Crystal94040/062011184613.jpg

 

[Jaz78]

scholesy - i have the same problems with opks and i also have had a temp dip!

I'm currently 7DPO too and i had a temp dip yesterday and today... which is what i find weird as i think implantation should only be a one day temp dip. So i'm not sure if i should be excited about it or not. Maybe implantation happened at a time where both mornings saw it one the way down and then way up?! So hope that it goes up tomorrow. I also hope we have both had implantation dips! when is AF due for you? Mine is tuesday (aus time). I am CD37 today so our cycles sound quite similar.

 

[angel11]

Thanks Jaz78. I will try Vitex for another month (that would total 3 months). After that I will try soy. Perhaps Vitex will bring my O forward again with another 3 days.

Last cycle I started spotting at 12dpo and had my temp fall on 13dpo with my period starting the next day. I had no spotting yesterday, but today at 13dpo I had spotting so I assume AF is here and no BFP. My temp is still high though but I am assuming tomorrow it will have fallen. Think my body might be the best con artist ever. Every single cycle so far has been different to the previous one.

If i am not pregnant, then I hope this tiredness and lower back pain goes away at least.